California on a mission to start income-based utility charges

[Anta Assamey]

Repeal chesukuntaru emo bill ni... Elections unnayi kada ee year...

[Vaaaampire]

Bill pass ayinda @Spartan

[Kootami]

2 hours ago, Spartan said:

And PGE announced 25% yoY increase in earnings today...

2B$ fine kattandi ra Fires ki reason ante....infra upgrade ki dabbul levani..rates pencharu 2 times since Dec 2023 and Feb 2024..

increase of 27% in energy billl.

malli ido kotta lolli....mchod galla nunchi..

solar panel adoption taggipoindi vella addagolu flat rate valla....

anduke kotta idea to dabbulu lagudam ani digitunnaru LKs.

Inka who will buy solar panel anna .... itla fixed rate aythey happies aa kada. Bill elago 100 paine vastadi kada ?

[Spartan]

45 minutes ago, Kootami said:

Inka who will buy solar panel anna .... itla fixed rate aythey happies aa kada. Bill elago 100 paine vastadi kada ?

easy ga.. min solar setup required for avg home is 8kw without breakeven so 64$ akkade

solar panel installations are out of business somce then with 45-% drop

[Spartan]

52 minutes ago, Vaaaampire said:

Bill pass ayinda @Spartan

yes it is aogned @Vaaaampire unless revoked by dems and tepa .. july nunchi implement

[pakeer_saab]

3 hours ago, Spartan said:

Newsom and PUC services... poortiga ammudu poyaru..

anduke e daridrudini encourage seyyakandi Presidential candidate ga... hope someone stands up from East Coast

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Multiple efforts are underway on both sides of California’s political divide to short-circuit a legislative plan to impose income-based fees on customers of Southern California Edison and other utilities.

Both Democrats and Republicans in the state Legislature have crafted separate measures designed to squash a plan to implement a fixed utility charge based on income that lawmakers hastily approved in 2022 in an 11-hour proceeding and then signed by Gov. Gavin Newsom.

Southern California Edison, San Diego Gas & Electric and PG&E would be able to impose the new income-based utility charge on their customers if the state Public Utilities Commission gives the plan a final OK — potentially by this July. Gov. Newsom appointed all five current members of the powerful and unelected PUC.

The fixed fees would immediately make California, ominously, the home of the nation’s highest income-based fixed fees.

The nationwide average for such income-based fees is $11.15, according to a report by EQ Research.

The three major California utilities will charge far more:

— Southern California Edison, $51.

— San Diego Gas & Electric, $73.31.

— PG&E, $50.92.

State lawmakers are increasingly alarmed about the proposal.

“Too many Californians struggle to afford their electricity bills at a time when energy is already unreliable, and yet the legislature thought it was a good idea to rip people off more,” state Sen. Wilk (R-Santa Clarita) said in a prepared release this week.

The fixed-income proposal has surfaced at a time when PG&E bills, along with the bills charged by the other two utility titans, have skyrocketed.

“Our constituents have had enough and so have we,” said Assemblymember Irwin (D-Thousand Oaks). “It’s time to put some reasoning back into how we charge for electricity in California.”

Among the major problems that critics of the plan articulate: The state PUC would have to craft a system to analyze the income levels of utility customers.

“Income data is confidential,” Faruqui and the other economists stated in the filing with the PUC. “Most customers would not like their income data to be discovered by a third party acting on behalf of the utility.”

Attempts to dive into income tax filings — normally the purvey primarily of the Internal Revenue Service and in California the state Franchise Tax Board — could unleash questions about the constitutionality of such a procedure.

Plenty of other complications loom, opponents of the plan note.

“Many homes in the state are owned by non-California residents who do not report their income to the state franchise tax board,” Faruqui and the other economists wrote in the filing. “Customers’ incomes vary over time. Incomes that are reported on tax forms are often erroneous and often misreported. Furthermore, the proposed procedure is cumbersome and subject to errors.”

Plus, according to the economists, the IT departments of PG&E and its sibling utility monopolies might be poorly equipped to extract such information from their customers.

The new fixed charge would vary depending on the household income levels of the respective customers. Here’s how the fixed charges would work in the PG&E service territory, based on a four-person household:

— Households earning less than $28,000 a year would pay a fixed charge of $15 a month on their electric bills.

— Households with annual income from $28,000 to $69,000 would pay $30 a month.

— Households earning from $69,000 to $180,000 would pay $51 a month.

— Those with incomes above $180,000 would pay $92 a month.

 

@Vaaaampire  @csrcsr @Konebhar6 @JaiBalayyaaa

irony is when the same morons who supported these stupid bills run to TX and want to turn TX blue.

 

[hydusguy]

4 hours ago, Spartan said:

Newsom and PUC services... poortiga ammudu poyaru..

anduke e daridrudini encourage seyyakandi Presidential candidate ga... hope someone stands up from East Coast

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Multiple efforts are underway on both sides of California’s political divide to short-circuit a legislative plan to impose income-based fees on customers of Southern California Edison and other utilities.

Both Democrats and Republicans in the state Legislature have crafted separate measures designed to squash a plan to implement a fixed utility charge based on income that lawmakers hastily approved in 2022 in an 11-hour proceeding and then signed by Gov. Gavin Newsom.

Southern California Edison, San Diego Gas & Electric and PG&E would be able to impose the new income-based utility charge on their customers if the state Public Utilities Commission gives the plan a final OK — potentially by this July. Gov. Newsom appointed all five current members of the powerful and unelected PUC.

The fixed fees would immediately make California, ominously, the home of the nation’s highest income-based fixed fees.

The nationwide average for such income-based fees is $11.15, according to a report by EQ Research.

The three major California utilities will charge far more:

— Southern California Edison, $51.

— San Diego Gas & Electric, $73.31.

— PG&E, $50.92.

State lawmakers are increasingly alarmed about the proposal.

“Too many Californians struggle to afford their electricity bills at a time when energy is already unreliable, and yet the legislature thought it was a good idea to rip people off more,” state Sen. Wilk (R-Santa Clarita) said in a prepared release this week.

The fixed-income proposal has surfaced at a time when PG&E bills, along with the bills charged by the other two utility titans, have skyrocketed.

“Our constituents have had enough and so have we,” said Assemblymember Irwin (D-Thousand Oaks). “It’s time to put some reasoning back into how we charge for electricity in California.”

Among the major problems that critics of the plan articulate: The state PUC would have to craft a system to analyze the income levels of utility customers.

“Income data is confidential,” Faruqui and the other economists stated in the filing with the PUC. “Most customers would not like their income data to be discovered by a third party acting on behalf of the utility.”

Attempts to dive into income tax filings — normally the purvey primarily of the Internal Revenue Service and in California the state Franchise Tax Board — could unleash questions about the constitutionality of such a procedure.

Plenty of other complications loom, opponents of the plan note.

“Many homes in the state are owned by non-California residents who do not report their income to the state franchise tax board,” Faruqui and the other economists wrote in the filing. “Customers’ incomes vary over time. Incomes that are reported on tax forms are often erroneous and often misreported. Furthermore, the proposed procedure is cumbersome and subject to errors.”

Plus, according to the economists, the IT departments of PG&E and its sibling utility monopolies might be poorly equipped to extract such information from their customers.

The new fixed charge would vary depending on the household income levels of the respective customers. Here’s how the fixed charges would work in the PG&E service territory, based on a four-person household:

— Households earning less than $28,000 a year would pay a fixed charge of $15 a month on their electric bills.

— Households with annual income from $28,000 to $69,000 would pay $30 a month.

— Households earning from $69,000 to $180,000 would pay $51 a month.

— Those with incomes above $180,000 would pay $92 a month.

 

@Vaaaampire  @csrcsr @Konebhar6 @JaiBalayyaaa

faang shld pay atleast 1000 a month  ..rents double..car prices double.. etc etc

[Spartan]

10 minutes ago, hydusguy said:

faang shld pay atleast 1000 a month  ..rents double..car prices double.. etc etc

they will hire somewhere else and cut down the resources 

it already started

[Vaaaampire]

1 hour ago, Spartan said:

they will hire somewhere else and cut down the resources 

it already started

Google india lo okka range lo hire chesthundi. Many companies are doing it and others will follow.

wfh valla companies ki manchiga ardham ayyindi

[Vaaaampire]

2 hours ago, Spartan said:

yes it is aogned @Vaaaampire unless revoked by dems and tepa .. july nunchi implement

Nenu offer accept chesina company ni ny lo okka branch undi. May be i should consider moving to ny/nj.

already woke/pride/bongu boshanam tho chasthunnam antey ee governor gaadu okkadu kastapadey valla g lo rods dimputhuney unnadu

[Vaaaampire]

@Spartan ee lk gaadini ilaney vadilesthet costco bills kooda pay range batti change cheyyali ani bill pass chesthademo

[Spartan]

8 minutes ago, Vaaaampire said:

Google india lo okka range lo hire chesthundi. Many companies are doing it and others will follow.

wfh valla companies ki manchiga ardham ayyindi

 

5 minutes ago, Vaaaampire said:

Nenu offer accept chesina company ni ny lo okka branch undi. May be i should consider moving to ny/nj.

already woke/pride/bongu boshanam tho chasthunnam antey ee governor gaadu okkadu kastapadey valla g lo rods dimputhuney unnadu

 

4 minutes ago, Vaaaampire said:

@Spartan ee lk gaadini ilaney vadilesthet costco bills kooda pay range batti change cheyyali ani bill pass chesthademo

maaku east lo levi....oregan lo undi.. boaton lo undi but akkada chali tattukolem

oregan adinkuda ilage edchindi west coast is fcked up

@Vaaaampire

[Thokkalee]

Oka $50 extra electricity bill ki intha gola endi vaa.. gas ki matram national average ki double ichhi kontaaru.. state tax pay chestharu.. why crying for an extra $50? 

[Vaaaampire]

4 minutes ago, Spartan said:

 

 

maaku east lo levi....oregan lo undi.. boaton lo undi but akkada chali tattukolem

oregan adinkuda ilage edchindi west coast is fcked up

@Vaaaampire

Oregan lo cost of living thakkuva. 365 days clowdy weather. 
weather kosam west coast lo untey m kuduputhunnaru

[Vaaaampire]

Just now, Thokkalee said:

Oka $50 extra electricity bill ki intha gola endi vaa.. gas ki matram national average ki double ichhi kontaaru.. state tax pay chestharu.. why crying for an extra $50? 

Gas price is same for every one. Where as pge bill will not be moving forward. Already tax lu vipareetham ga thenguthunnaru.

forget about taxes, this move will destroy solar industry in ca.