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On 3/16/2024 at 3:28 PM, vincent said:

Again spreading false info . Konda reddy st and palle reddy ( falls under matsyakara / agnikula kshatriya ) are not related to reddys in any way . 

Reddys have 5-6 sub castes - pakanati , motati , kodithi , pedakanti , velanati , gudati and panta . They all have " kapa oc " in certificate . Ysr falls under kodithi , revanth under motati etc .

It doesn't matter what you think , but literally 6-7 top 10 richest telugu people are reddies , while only they are 5-6 percent of population .

On the other hand , munnur kapu and turpu kapu are bc , suryabalija and vada balija are bc . Konda kapu are st . These are actual kapu subcastes . Chowdarys are bc in karnataka . So are balija . This is the reality .

 

For every rich reddy, there are 100 poor reddies. So much of inequality within caste. On average, reddy income is lower than that of many other OC castes. 

[Teluguredu]

1 hour ago, maxmillions said:

Sorry I meant Recherla Nayakas not kapaya nayakas.

Nuvvu ekkuva cheyamaku nenu proofs tho cheppanu how padma nayaka velamas of Bobbili and Venkatagiri didnot support muslims, but telangana ones did, so there is indeed distinction and the difference im referring to is this, Telangana velamas gained lots of land on to their existing land because they were supporting muslims, After kakatiyas fell they claimed lands which they didnt have before and without waging war against muslims, they supported them mostly.

All land owning communities are not kapu , its a fake thing floated by people who try to claim high status. If all land owning communities are kapu why there is a distinction then? All the telagas and balijas of coastal andhra started using kapu as caste name only since a century or before. Reddys had kapu suffix added to their clans, likr bhumanchi kapu, oruganti kapu, motati kapu, pokanati kapu,velanati kapu, nereti kapu, ayodhya kapu, morasa kapu, panta kapu, pongali nati kapu, kuncheti kapu,godati kapu, gandikota kapu, oruganti kapu around 1930s they started claiming the title they used as caste, the britishers registered them as kapu before in the census because they were. Present day kapus (who were originally related to telagas and balijas ) are not the previous day's kapus. Also all the zamindaris claimed by todays kapus were registered either as Telaga or Balija in all the records

That's because andhra had very less muslim invasions compared to tg.

Pedda kaapu,ontari,telaga are land owning castes ,balijas are merchant caste,they traditionally aren't agriculture oriented ,most nayakars in vijayanagara empire are balija origin.like I said kaapu is just a word for protector of the land in telugu ,all the agricultural communities are kaapus only.the divisions are based on their origin place or their jobs.

Velamas-velnaadu

Kamma-kammanaadu.

Both are present day guntur/prakasham districts 

Pakanati - present day Nellore.

Etc..

 

There are also some telaga and ontari zamindars in tg too.

 

[maxmillions]

2 hours ago, Teluguredu said:

That's because andhra had very less muslim invasions compared to tg.

Pedda kaapu,ontari,telaga are land owning castes ,balijas are merchant caste,they traditionally aren't agriculture oriented ,most nayakars in vijayanagara empire are balija origin.like I said kaapu is just a word for protector of the land in telugu ,all the agricultural communities are kaapus only.the divisions are based on their origin place or their jobs.

Velamas-velnaadu

Kamma-kammanaadu.

Both are present day guntur/prakasham districts 

Pakanati - present day Nellore.

Etc..

 

There are also some telaga and ontari zamindars in tg too.

 

there was no andhra telangana dichotomy then, even the present andhrapradesh was scattered among different kingdoms and was not unified, ur constant coverup stories clearly indicate that u want to bring one or other excuse to portray urself as good hiding ur evil deeds and all, Andhra had invasions too and they repulsed them, Even in rayalaseema there was invasiona and gandikota only fell when the ruler was poisoned by a backstabber, The difference between other people who fought against and people in telanagna who didnt is clear cut, they didnt wage wars and supported muslims , 

The people who r now being referred to as kapus in 21 st century were not referred to as kapus, the reddys were referred to as kapus, after the telagas and balijas started calling themselves the reddies started not to identify themselves as kapus, If u say kammas are kapus from kammanadu, then how do the present day kapus of 21st century exist in kammanadu region? many of the telaga and balija wealthy households existed since long in kammanadu region why were they not considered kamma if you mean to imply all kapus in kammanadu are kammas (which is a utterly false conclusion)? Guntur, krishna, prakasam have present day kapus who have been living since centuries, so they are kapus living in kammanadu region since long then why werent they simply called kammas as u postulate?

[Teluguredu]

10 hours ago, maxmillions said:

there was no andhra telangana dichotomy then, even the present andhrapradesh was scattered among different kingdoms and was not unified, ur constant coverup stories clearly indicate that u want to bring one or other excuse to portray urself as good hiding ur evil deeds and all, Andhra had invasions too and they repulsed them, Even in rayalaseema there was invasiona and gandikota only fell when the ruler was poisoned by a backstabber, The difference between other people who fought against and people in telanagna who didnt is clear cut, they didnt wage wars and supported muslims , 

The people who r now being referred to as kapus in 21 st century were not referred to as kapus, the reddys were referred to as kapus, after the telagas and balijas started calling themselves the reddies started not to identify themselves as kapus, If u say kammas are kapus from kammanadu, then how do the present day kapus of 21st century exist in kammanadu region? many of the telaga and balija wealthy households existed since long in kammanadu region why were they not considered kamma if you mean to imply all kapus in kammanadu are kammas (which is a utterly false conclusion)? Guntur, krishna, prakasam have present day kapus who have been living since centuries, so they are kapus living in kammanadu region since long then why werent they simply called kammas as u postulate?

 

Because only a section of kaapus came into that fold.why do you think there are reddy sects with  velanti kaapus,pakanati kaapus when there are kaapus and balijas present in both guntur and Nellore.

What is the etymology of velama and kamma then? They are from these regions itself .etymology of kaapu even from a linguistic perspective makes points to land-owners.all land-owners are kaapus .

Even genetically also they are all the same high Indus valley ancestry groups.

[maxmillions]

10 hours ago, Teluguredu said:

 

Because only a section of kaapus came into that fold.why do you think there are reddy sects with  velanti kaapus,pakanati kaapus when there are kaapus and balijas present in both guntur and Nellore.

What is the etymology of velama and kamma then? They are from these regions itself .etymology of kaapu even from a linguistic perspective makes points to land-owners.all land-owners are kaapus .

Even genetically also they are all the same high Indus valley ancestry groups.

1.etymology of kapu is not land owner, seems like u want to hype up ur caste, stop ur grandiose delusions. if etymology of kapu is land owner then why is munnuru kapu used for people who used to find water and act as water diviners and maintained groves? Their own caste leaders wanted to make their name "Thota balija" Also the britishers took many balijas and telagas as indentured labours to burma, trinidad, guyana and other countries. So stop bringing exagerrated fake eulogies please.

 

"Because only a section of kaapus came into that fold.why do you think there are reddy sects with  velanti kaapus,pakanati kaapus when there are kaapus and balijas present in both guntur and Nellore." - let me break this, i already told u that, kaapus and balijas of 21st century in guntur and nellore werent called kapus before mid 20th century- they were telagas and balijas and all the rich estates owners have documents claiming themselves either to be telaga or balija, in mid 20th century they organised a grand meeting and started calling themselves as kapus, this angered the original velanti and pakanti kapus and they started identifying themselves as Reddys from thereon as they were embarrassed that a group of telagas and balijas are using Kapu name. This answers your "why do you think there are reddy sects with  velanti kaapus,pakanati kaapus when there are kaapus and balijas present in both guntur and Nellore." question. 

 

"Because only a section of kaapus came into that fold." - which is outright wrong - kapus married among themselves all the way, based on ur flawed hypothesis why does only one section of kapus doesnt marry into another section for centuries if it is a section of kapus? also u r just saying for ur convenice that "only a section of kapus" - u first say that kammas are kapus of kammanadu region - but kammas are present in velanadu region, pakanadu region and even in chittoor district too - that too since many centuries. And when I ask you how do present day kapus have long history in kammanadu region and yet not be considered kamma, u just say that only a section of kapus were called that, there is no logic but u r just building ur narrative on grandiose delusions and hyping up ur theories. Why will only a section of kaapus come into that fold? Cleraly they lived as separate communities since so many centuries.