Manavallu relations with Telugu-origin Tamils and Kannadigas?

[Maggavale]

5 minutes ago, Teluguredu said:

Reddy title is 95%+  used by people of reddy subcastes only even now,I am not talking about reddy in surnames like rankireddy,vasireddy etc.. i am talking about reddy as a title ,reddy title used by other castes is extremely less.

Initially reddy was only used by very few current reddy subcastes during kakatiya period, during British times some other subcastes also started using it ,but they have all become subcastes of reddy community now,so it doesn't matter.

 

This doesn't exist. Reddy subcastes ekadundi, reddy caste kaadu.  Kapolla certs la kapu ane untadi, seema lekka vere anathapur , kadapa areas la . Andhrollaki exposure takkuva ee caste systems tho.  Kakatiya vere, vijayanagaram vere kada

[Teluguredu]

53 minutes ago, Maggavale said:

This doesn't exist. Reddy subcastes ekadundi, reddy caste kaadu.  Kapolla certs la kapu ane untadi, seema lekka vere anathapur , kadapa areas la . Andhrollaki exposure takkuva ee caste systems tho.  Kakatiya vere, vijayanagaram vere kada

Some Current day reddy subcastes that were under kakatiya are referred to as kaapus ,both padmanayakas and reddies (then kaapus ) used reddy title.

nuvvu reverse lo cheptunnav kaapu ante community e kaadhu ,communities ante telaga ,balija,ontari ivi.they all were grouped under kaapu as they started identifying themselves as kaapus and then reddy subcastes were moved to reddy caste together to differentiate themselves from other castes.rayalaseema lo kaapulu undaru kaabati reddies still refer to themselves as kaapus.

Kaakatiya and Vijayanagara empire are different .reddy title vaadatam start chesindhi kaakatiya time lo,maybe even earlier kaani first record aindhi aithe ee period lone.appatlo ippudunatlu castes lev,kaakatiya time mention chesina present day o.c castes Brahmins kshatriyas vyshyas padmanayakas kaapus anthe rest are artisan castes like padhmashaalis,vishwakarmas and others like carpenters etc..

Most of our present day castes came after the fall of kaakatiya empire.

Reddy lo subcastes enduku lev lol,ramcharans wife's father is pakanati reddy,Aditi Rao's grandfather is motati reddy.most reddy subcastes region based untai like pakanati,motati,panta etc..

Infact oka 100 years mundhu ,mostly intersubcaste marriages e undevi

[Maggavale]

12 minutes ago, Teluguredu said:

Some Current day reddy subcastes that were under kakatiya are referred to as kaapus ,both padmanayakas and reddies (then kaapus ) used reddy title.

Reddy lo subcastes enduku lev lol,ramcharans wife's father is pakanati reddy,Aditi Rao's grandfather is motati reddy.most reddy subcastes region based untai like pakanati,motati,panta etc..

 

Again you are missing my point. Reddy anedi karanam, taseeldar laga oka designation matrame, adi caste ee kadu, sub castes ela vastayi. Telaga , balija, ontari andaru andhra cop caste loki vaste, asalu andhra lo kapula existence leda anthaku mundu ? Kaassa kaapulu veellantha evaru Guntur, Rjmndry side. The subcastes you are "LOL" ing, those are not reddy subcastes, kapolla lo sub castes or sakhalu antharu. Pakanati kapollu, pedakanti, korji kapu, elinati kapollu etc. Vella lo even how they wear mangala sutra kooda difference untayi . Mototollu vere , valla ni inti lopali ki ranivvakunde konni area la, ipudu vere. LOL,  Ramcharan inlaws sakhalu kadu, I believe I know a few more What about all the kurabollu in ANTPR and Kadapa that bear the reddy title ?  

[Teluguredu]

41 minutes ago, Maggavale said:

Again you are missing my point. Reddy anedi karanam, taseeldar laga oka designation matrame, adi caste ee kadu, sub castes ela vastayi. Telaga , balija, ontari andaru andhra cop caste loki vaste, asalu andhra lo kapula existence leda anthaku mundu ? Kaassa kaapulu veellantha evaru Guntur, Rjmndry side. The subcastes you are "LOL" ing, those are not reddy subcastes, kapolla lo sub castes or sakhalu antharu. Pakanati kapollu, pedakanti, korji kapu, elinati kapollu etc. Vella lo even how they wear mangala sutra kooda difference untayi . Mototollu vere , valla ni inti lopali ki ranivvakunde konni area la, ipudu vere. LOL,  Ramcharan inlaws sakhalu kadu, I believe I know a few more What about all the kurabollu in ANTPR and Kadapa that bear the reddy title ?  

Ore baabu neeku cheppindhi artham kaale.

Ee Reddy subcastes were referred to as kaapus.ippudu unde present kaapu caste history lo always used their own community names like telaga ,ontari,balija to refer to themselves.rayalaseema lo aithe asalu balijas ni kaapulu ani kooda annaru evaru.

Kaapu ante generic land-owning caste ani artham.

Kakatiya times asalu o.c  non-savarna castes undevi only padmanayakas and kaapus.migatha castes ani asalu either kakatiya Kingdom lo lekapoiundaali lekapothe all were grouped under kaapus.i am using kakatiya as it is the first reference point 

Panta kaapu,pakanati kaapu ivvani used to refer to current day reddy subcastes itself.reddies were kaapus but not the same as what kaapu is used for today.appudu kaapulu ippudu reddlaiyaaru ,appudu unna seperate communities konitilni kaapuloki kalipesaaru.

There used to be some telaga estate owner in rajamundry with vogeti surname,they called themselves as telagas only.

Motati ante reddy lo highest lol,vaalani intloki raani kunda undadam entra baabu.biggest heredictory fiefdoms (samsthanam)in both telugu states i.e wanarpathy is owned by motatis.

Ram charan father in law is  pakanati reddi,they controlled domakonda estate ,even kamareddy district was named after their ancestors I believe.

[Maggavale]

48 minutes ago, Teluguredu said:

Ore baabu neeku cheppindhi artham kaale.

Motati ante reddy lo highest lol,vaalani intloki raani kunda undadam entra baabu.biggest heredictory fiefdoms (samsthanam)in both telugu states i.e wanarpathy is owned by motatis.

Ram charan father in law is  pakanati reddi,they controlled domakonda estate ,even kamareddy district was named after their ancestors I believe.

 Let's not go down this way. Kurabollu reddy title aa caste aa ?

Food habits play a major role in this kapolla sakhalu. Kontha mandi reddies non veg thinaru, drink cheyyaru ippatiki musalollu, bapanolla kante nishta ga untar. Younger gen . different breed. Vallu motatollani food and drink habits based ga thakuva ani dooram pette vallu, matches kuda cheskoka pothunde. JC batch motatollu, migrated from TG . Ee kingdoms, who controlled wahtlogic meeda undav ga kattubatlu. Ramcharan valla mama pakanati kapolla kada , ruler adi kadu kada ikada. Just kapolla lo sakhalu, reddy title gurinchi. Again caste ithe ANTPR la lakshallo untaru kurabollu reddy title tho, kadapa la gollollu ki kooda untadi reddy title. Tulasi reddy di oka video untadi choodu, if you want to dig deeper. Ranga reddy was named after chenna reddy relative, this naming doesn't bear any weight here. Kakatiya, vijaya nagara, gajapati moodu choodali kada AP kapulu topic la. 

[Teluguredu]

13 hours ago, Maggavale said:

 Let's not go down this way. Kurabollu reddy title aa caste aa ?

Food habits play a major role in this kapolla sakhalu. Kontha mandi reddies non veg thinaru, drink cheyyaru ippatiki musalollu, bapanolla kante nishta ga untar. Younger gen . different breed. Vallu motatollani food and drink habits based ga thakuva ani dooram pette vallu, matches kuda cheskoka pothunde. JC batch motatollu, migrated from TG . Ee kingdoms, who controlled wahtlogic meeda undav ga kattubatlu. Ramcharan valla mama pakanati kapolla kada , ruler adi kadu kada ikada. Just kapolla lo sakhalu, reddy title gurinchi. Again caste ithe ANTPR la lakshallo untaru kurabollu reddy title tho, kadapa la gollollu ki kooda untadi reddy title. Tulasi reddy di oka video untadi choodu, if you want to dig deeper. Ranga reddy was named after chenna reddy relative, this naming doesn't bear any weight here. Kakatiya, vijaya nagara, gajapati moodu choodali kada AP kapulu topic la. 

Reddy title 95% reddy subcastes vaale vaadathaaru.kaapu anedhi generic term used to describe land-owning castes during kaakatiya times ,kakatiya times lo padmanayakas tappite migatha present unna land owning castes anni kaapulu section lone ne undevi.

 

Look at their Varna chart .

JC vaalu motatolu kaadhu asalu, vaalu pakanati vaalu from gadwal.

Even wanarpathy was onwed by andhra motati reddy from kadapa.

Telangana lo estates kooda chaala varaku andhra reddies ve.infact telangana reddies kooda mostly andhra nunchi migrate aina vaalenuntaaru as kaakatiya capital was in telangana and spread from there,most of those subcastes names correspond to regions in andhra.tg,andhra reddies ni atla seperate cheyalev.

Ee sakhalu entayya first time intunna ,reddies non-veg tinakapovadam enti? Atlame ledu,maybe individual ga kaatubaatlu undochemo ,these subcastes correspond to their regions -paakanadu,pantanaadu,motawada,velanadu etc.. paakanaadu ante current day Nellore ,velanadu ante current day guntur.

Infact even kammas and velamas also got their names from their regions kammanaadu and velanaadu.

[Maggavale]

7 hours ago, Teluguredu said:

Reddy title 95% reddy subcastes vaale vaadathaaru.kaapu anedhi generic term used to describe land-owning castes during kaakatiya times ,kakatiya times lo padmanayakas tappite migatha present unna land owning castes anni kaapulu section lone ne undevi.

 

 

Exactly, adi title ane nenu cheptundi since starting. 95 kaadu, 97% kapolle petkuntunru . Kurnool region la eedigollu , ANTPR- KA region border la balijolla ki undedi past la, they switched in favor of "Rayudu" in older gen, royal ani petkuntunru younger gen. This doesn't negate the fact that still is a title just like " Chowdhury " used among most castes in north during and before Moghul invasion. Jat with a title Chowdhury, still belongs to Jat community.  I would like to know the origins behind 4 other castes using "Reddy " title in seema region . For ex. Veedu reddy sub caste kadu kada  ? 

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[Teluguredu]

1 hour ago, Maggavale said:

Exactly, adi title ane nenu cheptundi since starting. 95 kaadu, 97% kapolle petkuntunru . Kurnool region la eedigollu , ANTPR- KA region border la balijolla ki undedi past la, they switched in favor of "Rayudu" in older gen, royal ani petkuntunru younger gen. This doesn't negate the fact that still is a title just like " Chowdhury " used among most castes in north during and before Moghul invasion. Jat with a title Chowdhury, still belongs to Jat community.  I would like to know the origins behind 4 other castes using "Reddy " title in seema region . For ex. Veedu reddy sub caste kadu kada  ? 

Chowdary is used by people under muslim control,anthakamundaithe ye generals kooda aa title vaadale,kammas in andhra just started using it to differentiate themselves from other naidus in coastal andhra.the kammas who got bestowed by Chowdary title are very small,muslim rule was very less in andhra.asalu bayata states lo kammas Chowdary Ane title e vaadaru ,except recent migrants.

Kaakatiya time lo generals used reddy title,padmanayakas and current reddy caste vaalu vaadevaalu aa time lo.

Balijas never used reddy title I don't know where you got that information.balijas used naidu title ,infact almost all the castes except current day reddy subcastes and padmanayakas have never used the reddy title for the most part."reddy" in surname is used by some castes mostly in coastal Andhra and tg if they have worked under rajamundry reddies or kondavaidu reddies.

The people who use reddy title in b.c castes might be some individual exceptions ,you should ask them how they got that.the number is very less.rrr once has told that he has spoken to raghuveera reddy and asked about how he got that title to which he has replied that his ancestors were given that title by the British.

[Maggavale]

3 hours ago, Teluguredu said:

Chowdary is used by people under muslim control,anthakamundaithe ye generals kooda aa title vaadale,kammas in andhra just started using it to differentiate themselves from other naidus in coastal andhra.the kammas who got bestowed by Chowdary title are very small,muslim rule was very less in andhra.asalu bayata states lo kammas Chowdary Ane title e vaadaru ,except recent migrants.

Kaakatiya time lo generals used reddy title,padmanayakas and current reddy caste vaalu vaadevaalu aa time lo.

Balijas never used reddy title I don't know where you got that information.balijas used naidu title ,infact almost all the castes except current day reddy subcastes and padmanayakas have never used the reddy title for the most part."reddy" in surname is used by some castes mostly in coastal Andhra and tg if they have worked under rajamundry reddies or kondavaidu reddies.

The people who use reddy title in b.c castes might be some individual exceptions ,you should ask them how they got that.the number is very less.rrr once has told that he has spoken to raghuveera reddy and asked about how he got that title to which he has replied that his ancestors were given that title by the British.

Well, Chowdary is a sanskrit word meaning beholder of land , it wasn't a term used to bestow Generals or warriors.  Thaanda lo mukhiya lekka, rough ga ante. Coastal andhra naidu title vere topic, adi ethukunte ipud ayeedi kadu, gavara naidu, dali naidu etc.  As you said, Yes.. reddy was a title and "Balijas never used reddy title" is not true. Few along the AP-KA region used to have reddy title, they switched in preferrence of RAAYUDU while disagrreing with  kuruba/ gollollu in KA- ANTPUR region on SKD lineage. Balijas never used naidu in seema as title. I don't need to ask so called BC reddy title holders, that my neck of woods . THey may be lesser in number, they are living proof that it was a title bestowed.  Raghuveera okkade kadu, exposure untadi ani cheppina aadu ithe, 83 nundi cabinet la chesinollu unnrau kuraba gollollu ee region nundi reddy title tho.  "RRR", this guy would be the last i woul dlike to believe, especially when it comes to caste and that too kapolla gurinchi. 

Coming to Chowdhary's ..my point too, that was a tilte and many from different castes were awarded that tile like BC's and SC'S ..few others in seema were awarded. They didn't cluster into single caste "Chowdhury" under Muslims and sub castes , coz  they were too proud of their own lineage , also there were different caste people... still people in Pakistan with that title and last name as well. Coming to south, most of this titled group contained kapollu, so majority of people believe that o be caste , where it is not. Singh was also a tilte in certain regions, not necessarily a sikh. Same goes with thakoor too, mangalollu ki bhi untadi north la thakur title. THey were head of village or strong henchman for the ruling class at that time and were bestowed upon with tiltes and land deeds. Just like Vijay nagara kingdom did with all castes of people, who were prominent in that era. 

Kapolla topic ki vaste, 2008-09 time la idi severe indi, they felt the word "kapollu" to be derogatory and against identifying with the new class of kapu who are sub par class of kapu according to few of them ...AP kapulu with PRP at that time and attempts were made to even replace gov. issued cast certificates with "kapu" with "reddy" , in the field corresponding to "KULAM". With a lot going opn , YSR wouldn't give them ear. I am not aware of recent changes, still it's a "KAPU " in their caste certificate.  Reddy still title matrame, kulam kadu . 

[venkappa]

17 hours ago, Teluguredu said:

Chowdary is used by people under muslim control,anthakamundaithe ye generals kooda aa title vaadale,kammas in andhra just started using it to differentiate themselves from other naidus in coastal andhra.the kammas who got bestowed by Chowdary title are very small,muslim rule was very less in andhra.asalu bayata states lo kammas Chowdary Ane title e vaadaru ,except recent migrants.

Kaakatiya time lo generals used reddy title,padmanayakas and current reddy caste vaalu vaadevaalu aa time lo.

Balijas never used reddy title I don't know where you got that information.balijas used naidu title ,infact almost all the castes except current day reddy subcastes and padmanayakas have never used the reddy title for the most part."reddy" in surname is used by some castes mostly in coastal Andhra and tg if they have worked under rajamundry reddies or kondavaidu reddies.

The people who use reddy title in b.c castes might be some individual exceptions ,you should ask them how they got that.the number is very less.rrr once has told that he has spoken to raghuveera reddy and asked about how he got that title to which he has replied that his ancestors were given that title by the British.

 

14 hours ago, Maggavale said:

Well, Chowdary is a sanskrit word meaning beholder of land , it wasn't a term used to bestow Generals or warriors.  Thaanda lo mukhiya lekka, rough ga ante. Coastal andhra naidu title vere topic, adi ethukunte ipud ayeedi kadu, gavara naidu, dali naidu etc.  As you said, Yes.. reddy was a title and "Balijas never used reddy title" is not true. Few along the AP-KA region used to have reddy title, they switched in preferrence of RAAYUDU while disagrreing with  kuruba/ gollollu in KA- ANTPUR region on SKD lineage. Balijas never used naidu in seema as title. I don't need to ask so called BC reddy title holders, that my neck of woods . THey may be lesser in number, they are living proof that it was a title bestowed.  Raghuveera okkade kadu, exposure untadi ani cheppina aadu ithe, 83 nundi cabinet la chesinollu unnrau kuraba gollollu ee region nundi reddy title tho.  "RRR", this guy would be the last i woul dlike to believe, especially when it comes to caste and that too kapolla gurinchi. 

Coming to Chowdhary's ..my point too, that was a tilte and many from different castes were awarded that tile like BC's and SC'S ..few others in seema were awarded. They didn't cluster into single caste "Chowdhury" under Muslims and sub castes , coz  they were too proud of their own lineage , also there were different caste people... still people in Pakistan with that title and last name as well. Coming to south, most of this titled group contained kapollu, so majority of people believe that o be caste , where it is not. Singh was also a tilte in certain regions, not necessarily a sikh. Same goes with thakoor too, mangalollu ki bhi untadi north la thakur title. THey were head of village or strong henchman for the ruling class at that time and were bestowed upon with tiltes and land deeds. Just like Vijay nagara kingdom did with all castes of people, who were prominent in that era. 

Kapolla topic ki vaste, 2008-09 time la idi severe indi, they felt the word "kapollu" to be derogatory and against identifying with the new class of kapu who are sub par class of kapu according to few of them ...AP kapulu with PRP at that time and attempts were made to even replace gov. issued cast certificates with "kapu" with "reddy" , in the field corresponding to "KULAM". With a lot going opn , YSR wouldn't give them ear. I am not aware of recent changes, still it's a "KAPU " in their caste certificate.  Reddy still title matrame, kulam kadu . 

What is difference TG Reddies, Seema Reddies, Nellore Reddies, and Palnadu Reddies? Reddy caste dominant in these 4 areas.

[Teluguredu]

25 minutes ago, venkappa said:

 

What is difference TG Reddies, Seema Reddies, Nellore Reddies, and Palnadu Reddies? Reddy caste dominant in these 4 areas.

No difference,they all have been migrating from one area to other since last 800 years,some subcastes might be populous in some areas ,that's all.

[vincent]

Reddy subcastes are mainly motati  , Gudati , gone in Telangana with pakanati in some areas . Motati mostly in Mahbubnagar Nalgonda etc , gudati around  rangareddi . Nellore mostly panta  and pakanati  , kadapa anantapur Chittoor mostly pakanati , Kodithi , pedakanti . Kurnool jammalamadugu areas have motati sub caste .

Guntur Krishna district reddys mainly motati and Velanati . Godavari / Anaparthi reddys are bhumanchi . Mainly 7-8 major subcastes with motati ,  pakanati  , panta as traditionally ruling Samsthanams  . 

 

[andhra_jp]

19 hours ago, Teluguredu said:

Chowdary is used by people under muslim control,anthakamundaithe ye generals kooda aa title vaadale,kammas in andhra just started using it to differentiate themselves from other naidus in coastal andhra.the kammas who got bestowed by Chowdary title are very small,muslim rule was very less in andhra.asalu bayata states lo kammas Chowdary Ane title e vaadaru ,except recent migrants.

15 hours ago, Maggavale said:

Well, Chowdary is a sanskrit word meaning beholder of land , it wasn't a term used to bestow Generals or warriors.  

 

 

The common female equivalent for Chowdary is Chowdhurani. 

kaani mana kommas ladies kuda chowdary anee tooka pettukuntaaru... not sure why no one corrected

[Teluguredu]

57 minutes ago, andhra_jp said:

 

The common female equivalent for Chowdary is Chowdhurani. 

kaani mana kommas ladies kuda chowdary anee tooka pettukuntaaru... not sure why no one corrected

Asalu Chowdary ani title pettukunedhi mostly anthakamundhu emi title Leni vaalu, elevation kosam .muslims nunchi Chowdary title vachinavaalu chaala takkuva ,1000 Mandi kooda undararemo.

Anduke naidu kante Chowdary ekkuva vinipistundhi.even though naidu came much earlier.