True characterization of Lord Sri Krishna : An interesting read

[rational]

8 minutes ago, AndhraPickles said:

 

it's not all black / all white bro.....there are Grey areas of History we on this can't decipher......

This video has nothing to do with time line of rama,  Facts are always black or white, there wont be any middle ground.  u are mixing actual indian history and indian mythology.  Indian history has scientific evidence which corroborates with books written, where as indian mythology has no scientific evidence, scientists tried their best to find actual evidence from these mythological texts but they ended up empty handed. Dont fall for these articles or videos of youtubers claiming that dwaraka, ramayan etc evidence were found. they are just mere click baits.

Coming to the video above what best date for unveiling bala rama statue than rama navami. they couldnt wait for just for a few more days to do it on rama navami think about it.

Funfact : krishna is word derived from sanskrit "Krsna" which means black check the below link

https://www.learnsanskrit.cc/translate?search=krsna&dir=au

[AndhraPickles]

1 hour ago, rational said:

This video has nothing to do with time line of rama,  Facts are always black or white, there wont be any middle ground.  u are mixing actual indian history and indian mythology.  Indian history has scientific evidence which corroborates with books written, where as indian mythology has no scientific evidence, scientists tried their best to find actual evidence from these mythological texts but they ended up empty handed. Dont fall for these articles or videos of youtubers claiming that dwaraka, ramayan etc evidence were found. they are just mere click baits.

Coming to the video above what best date for unveiling bala rama statue than rama navami. they couldnt wait for just for a few more days to do it on rama navami think about it.

Funfact : krishna is word derived from sanskrit "Krsna" which means black check the below link

https://www.learnsanskrit.cc/translate?search=krsna&dir=au

that video is an information for ur statement..."that rama didnt exist way before krishna. " in ur earlier post...

[paaparao]

halwa gadiki ankitham. 

 

[rational]

17 minutes ago, AndhraPickles said:

that video is an information for ur statement..."that rama didnt exist way before krishna. " in ur earlier post...

Dude!  if u check my post on time line of rama . the valmiki ramanyana verses clearly  mention of chola, check the history of chola kingdom it around 8th and 9th century. explain me how sugriva who is alive in 7000 BCE is talking about future chola kingdom which is around 850CE? Here clearly wen can see only two options

1)either king rama is around 8th or 9th century (if king rama is around this time line we could have found more evidence because we found a lot of evidence of chola, pallava, pandya kingdoms)

2) the story of rama is created during or after the chola timeline. 

I am taking versus from valmiki ramayana as it believed as standard for history of rama.  

Are you suggesting that valmiki ramayana is wrong and the guy in this video is correct??

[AndhraPickles]

42 minutes ago, rational said:

Dude!  if u check my post on time line of rama . the valmiki ramanyana verses clearly  mention of chola, check the history of chola kingdom it around 8th and 9th century. explain me how sugriva who is alive in 7000 BCE is talking about future chola kingdom which is around 850CE? Here clearly wen can see only two options

1)either king rama is around 8th or 9th century (if king rama is around this time line we could have found more evidence because we found a lot of evidence of chola, pallava, pandya kingdoms)

2) the story of rama is created during or after the chola timeline. 

I am taking versus from valmiki ramayana as it believed as standard for history of rama.  

Are you suggesting that valmiki ramayana is wrong and the guy in this video is correct??

"Kruthethu Naarasimho Bhoo Trethayaam Raghunandana Dwapare Vasudevascha Kalau Venkatanayaka! ||"

Translation: In Kritha Yuga, Lord Narasimha, In Treta Yuga Lord Sri Rama, In Dwapara Yuga Lord Sri Krishna, and in Kaliyuga Lord Sri Venkateswara are called as Prathyaksha Dhaivams (Deities).

[rational]

9 hours ago, AndhraPickles said:

"Kruthethu Naarasimho Bhoo Trethayaam Raghunandana Dwapare Vasudevascha Kalau Venkatanayaka! ||"

Translation: In Kritha Yuga, Lord Narasimha, In Treta Yuga Lord Sri Rama, In Dwapara Yuga Lord Sri Krishna, and in Kaliyuga Lord Sri Venkateswara are called as Prathyaksha Dhaivams (Deities).

Just for a moment forget you read above  ramyana, mahabharata etc  and imagine u know nothing about indian mythology or history. if this is the first time ur reading a book and the verse is written like this

Kruthethu Raghunandana Bhoo Trethayaam Naarasimho Dwapare  Vasudevascha  Venkatanayaka Kalau! ||"

Translation:   In Kritha Lord Sri Rama Yuga, , In Treta Yuga Lord Narasimha , In Dwapara Yuga Lord Sri Venkateswara, and in Kaliyuga Lord Sri Krishna are called as Prathyaksha Dhaivams (Deities).

Then would u accept this verse is correct ?

[AndhraPickles]

3 hours ago, rational said:

Just for a moment forget you read above  ramyana, mahabharata etc  and imagine u know nothing about indian mythology or history. if this is the first time ur reading a book and the verse is written like this

Kruthethu Raghunandana Bhoo Trethayaam Naarasimho Dwapare  Vasudevascha  Venkatanayaka Kalau! ||"

Translation:   In Kritha Lord Sri Rama Yuga, , In Treta Yuga Lord Narasimha , In Dwapara Yuga Lord Sri Venkateswara, and in Kaliyuga Lord Sri Krishna are called as Prathyaksha Dhaivams (Deities).

Then would u accept this verse is correct ?

nenu post chesina verse rayabadi undi "brahmanda puranam" lo...so that chronology is a gold standard for me being a hindu....

also maharshi veda vyasa is considered an incarnation of Lord vishnu....so his writings and sayings are also a gold standard for me being a hindu...

Vyasaya Vishnu Roopaya, Vyasa Roopaya Vishnave |
Namove Bhrama Nithaye, Vasishtaya Namo Namaha:||

Meaning: Salutation to Vyas who is in the form of Vishnu and Vishnu who is in the form of Vyas and one who is the treasure house of the Vedas. Salutation to one who was born in the noble family of Vasishta. The honour of being equal to Vishnu belonged to Maharushi Vyas.

                Veda Vyasa’s contribution to Sanatan Dharma is immense , he did the veda vibhag i.e. he classified the Vedam as Rig Veda ,Yajur Veda ,Sama Veda and Atharvana Veda. Then he gave 18 Puranas and then he gave us Maha Bharatam /Maha Bharat...

and if at crossroads, the decision of dharma (righteousness) in the present times is in the hands of dakshinamnaya sringeri peetam...being hindu I will follow their decisions and practices......

[rational]

 i am just asking you to imagine if you are in a scenario first time reading bhamanda puranan book and in that book you came across the verse i posted. would you believe it or not? 

[rational]

Since you brought the topic vedas these are manuscripts that are preserved in Bhandarkar Oriental Research of India BORI

https://bori.ac.in/department/manuscript/

The collection contains around 350 Palm Leaf and around 150 Birch Bark Manuscripts.
More than 1500 Manuscripts contain miniature paintings in different styles.
Languages: Sanskrit, Marathi, Arabic, Persian, Urdu.
Scripts: Devanagari, Sharada, Grantha, Nast-aliq, Naskh, Oriya, Bengali, Kannada, Telugu, Tamil.
Subjects: Vedic Samhitas, Brāhmanas, Aranyakas, Upanisads, Grammar, Vedangas, Sutra
literature, Dharmashastra, Vedanta, Alamkāra, Samgia, Natya, Kavya, Nataka, Vaidyaka, Tantra, Jaina Literature and Philosophy, Nyaya-Vaisheshika, Mimamsa, Purana, Ramayana,
Mahabharata, Sankhya, Yoga, Shilpa, Kosha.

Oldest Dated Manuscripts in the BORI Collection:
Paper Manuscript : ChikitsāsārasangrahaAccession No. : 352/1879-80

Date of writing : Sam. 1376; A. D. 1320

Palmleaf Manuscript : Upamitibhavaprapañcakathā

Accession No. : 7a and b/1880-81

Date of writing : Sam. 962; A. D. 906
Important Collections
Kashmir Manuscripts : This collection ( 1875 – 76 ) comprises Birch Bark Manuscripts written in
Sharada script, Manuscripts related with Kashmir Shaivism, Jainism and the history of Kashmir.
Vishrambaghwada Collection of Manuscripts : Believed to have belonged to the Peshwas and the Poona Sanskrit College , Vishrambaghwada ( estd. 1821 )
Persian Manuscripts : Many illustrated and illuminated Manuscripts.
Jaina Manuscripts : A few thousand Manuscripts related with Jaina literature and philosophy.

The Collection of Rgveda Manuscripts : Recognized as a vital part of the Memory of the World Heritage Collection by the UNESCO.

Important Manuscripts
Rgvedasamhita
Accession No. : 5/1875-76
Material : Birch Bark
Uniqueness / Peculiarity : Included in the UNESCO’s Memory of the World Heritage Register at number 159.
Bhagavata Purana
Accession No. : 61/1907-1915
No. of Illustrations : 128
Uniqueness / Peculiarity : It is one of the most precious mss. of the Institute’s collection. It contains 128 beautiful paintings in colour.

Documentation
The collection is methodically documented in various catalogues viz; Card Index, One-Line-Catalogues and Descriptive Catalogues. Microfilms of more than 13,000 Manuscripts are available.Digital images of selected Manuscripts are also made. The details of digitization are as follows:
Descriptive Catalogues : Published 13 Volumes, 35 parts, 13000 Manuscripts 1 – Veda, 2 – Grammar, 3 – Jyotisha, 4 – Vedanga, 7 – Dharmashastra, 9 – Vedanta, 12 – Alankara, 13 – Kavya, 14 – Natya,16- Vaidyaka, 17-19- Jaina
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• The Critical Edition of Kashika – Vritti
• The Studies in Indian Cultural History etc.
A number of scholars have completed their Doctoral and Post-Doctoral minor or major projects and theses by studying various Manuscripts the BORI collection from various perspectives.

[rational]

This is the submission BORI did to UNESCO

https://media.unesco.org/sites/default/files/webform/mow001/india_rigveda.pdf

 

There are 30 manuscripts of Rigveda at the Institute, collected from different parts of India like Kashmir, Gujarat, the then Rajaputana, Central Provinces etc. They are written in Sharada, Devanagari and Devanagari with Prishthamatra and the material used for writing is birch bark as well as paper. The oldest of these manuscripts is dated 1464 A. D. It may be pointed out that manuscript no. 5/1875-76 was used by Prof. Max Müller for his edition of the Rigveda with Sayana’s commentary.

Devanagari lipi came around 7th century its full form came into existence around 10th or 11 the century

So is Sharada scripture. 

You will find enough evidence for these by simply googling it.

unfortunately we didnt find any evidence that vedas written in any other form or script.

which gives a some idea of when was Rigveda written.

 

[Anta Assamey]

Good job guys....Banda bootulu tiitukokunda discuss chesukuntunaru...

[AndhraPickles]

On 10/3/2024 at 11:51 AM, rational said:

 i am just asking you to imagine if you are in a scenario first time reading bhamanda puranan book and in that book you came across the verse i posted. would you believe it or not? 

I will request a guru to explain the verse for my understanding......if I'm on correct direction or path of understanding....

[AndhraPickles]

57 minutes ago, rational said:

This is the submission BORI did to UNESCO

https://media.unesco.org/sites/default/files/webform/mow001/india_rigveda.pdf

 

There are 30 manuscripts of Rigveda at the Institute, collected from different parts of India like Kashmir, Gujarat, the then Rajaputana, Central Provinces etc. They are written in Sharada, Devanagari and Devanagari with Prishthamatra and the material used for writing is birch bark as well as paper. The oldest of these manuscripts is dated 1464 A. D. It may be pointed out that manuscript no. 5/1875-76 was used by Prof. Max Müller for his edition of the Rigveda with Sayana’s commentary.

Devanagari lipi came around 7th century its full form came into existence around 10th or 11 the century

So is Sharada scripture. 

You will find enough evidence for these by simply googling it.

unfortunately we didnt find any evidence that vedas written in any other form or script.

which gives a some idea of when was Rigveda written.

 

prior to that form of documentation, these might have been in verbal training and verbal transmission in gurukulams......

remember the modes...

"mananaath traayathe....mantram......"

and 

'punascharana..."

 

also logically.....vedas= dharmam= transmitted to generations in the form of mahabarata and ramayanam between yugas.......

[rational]

On 10/5/2024 at 6:15 PM, AndhraPickles said:

prior to that form of documentation, these might have been in verbal training and verbal transmission in gurukulams......

remember the modes...

"mananaath traayathe....mantram......"

and 

'punascharana..."

 

also logically.....vedas= dharmam= transmitted to generations in the form of mahabarata and ramayanam between yugas.......

lets consider it that vedas are transmitted from generation to generation through verbal training, isnt there chance of any of these vedas being wrongly pronounced and made it to the next generation, then the whole ritual changes. because there might be lot of gurukulas practicing vedas and most of them might not be at one place. 

Take examples of ramayana and mahabharata what the story was said for the first time would be completely different to the current story we are listening and  also we can see different authors writing it in different way according to their interpretation.

All languages currently we have were different from their origin, they add some words and remove some.

why tamil vedas are different from sanskrit vedas? 

i dont understand the logic plz elaborate.

Also i would like to know about YUGA's and how are they calculated?

[AndhraPickles]

2 hours ago, rational said:

lets consider it that vedas are transmitted from generation to generation through verbal training, isnt there chance of any of these vedas being wrongly pronounced and made it to the next generation, then the whole ritual changes. because there might be lot of gurukulas practicing vedas and most of them might not be at one place. 

Take examples of ramayana and mahabharata what the story was said for the first time would be completely different to the current story we are listening and  also we can see different authors writing it in different way according to their interpretation.

All languages currently we have were different from their origin, they add some words and remove some.

why tamil vedas are different from sanskrit vedas? 

i dont understand the logic plz elaborate.

Also i would like to know about YUGA's and how are they calculated?

Green: No distortion during transmission as only a capable and validated person was selected and trained to teach to next generation at gurukulams. sabdham pradhanam for mantra or veda pronunciation...miss-spell can cause disaster and the disaster will end the non-vedic rendition there itself. I don't think any other work in any language can be named as veda other than Rig, yajur, Sama and Atharvana vedas...one other exemption is ayurveda... coming to tamil/dravida vangmayam...there are prabandhams, tholkapyam, tirukkural, tiruvasagam and pasurams...these are references for divinity and righteousness in that language....

 

yugaalu: