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The main reason for conversion is attitude towards oppressed and downtrodden classes and poverty.

In majority of the places, poverty has been tackled to a great extent and very few convert for monetary gains these days than before.

Second major reason, empower dalit and tribals, ensure the quality of SC/ST welfare hostels and primary schools go up by a huge standard. Primary quality education for better future is the lure and poor people are the target, this is where majority of them get converted. 

We should treat them on par with everyone else and that will effectively stop further conversions. Rather than converting back, we need to make sure these conversions stop. 

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1 minute ago, Android_Halwa said:

The main reason for conversion is attitude towards oppressed and downtrodden classes and poverty.

In majority of the places, poverty has been tackled to a great extent and very few convert for monetary gains these days than before.

Second major reason, empower dalit and tribals, ensure the quality of SC/ST welfare hostels and primary schools go up by a huge standard. Primary quality education for better future is the lure and poor people are the target, this is where majority of them get converted. 

We should treat them on par with everyone else and that will effectively stop further conversions. Rather than converting back, we need to make sure these conversions stop. 

ysr dalit a tribal a bro, convert ayadu oppression valla?

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2 minutes ago, Mancode said:

ysr dalit a tribal a bro, convert ayadu oppression valla?

I said majority of the conversions, not all. YSR falls in non majority quota…

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16 minutes ago, Android_Halwa said:

The main reason for conversion is attitude towards oppressed and downtrodden classes and poverty.

In majority of the places, poverty has been tackled to a great extent and very few convert for monetary gains these days than before.

Second major reason, empower dalit and tribals, ensure the quality of SC/ST welfare hostels and primary schools go up by a huge standard. Primary quality education for better future is the lure and poor people are the target, this is where majority of them get converted. 

We should treat them on par with everyone else and that will effectively stop further conversions. Rather than converting back, we need to make sure these conversions stop. 

SC/ST oppression by UC,BC hindus is  narrative built by missionaries which some are blindly falling into that, i Dont completely agree with that, there maybe some incidents still that they are looked upon bad by UC,BC hindus ,that is bad , we all should condemn it

but irojulllo evarni gudi loki ranivvanidhi

1800's nunchi temples loki entry movements nadustunai sub continent lo by various reformers

oppression and poverty are differnent things

poverty dont  have caste or religion

 

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7 minutes ago, Android_Halwa said:

I said majority of the conversions, not all. YSR falls in non majority quota…

majority of conversions ki reason poverty not caste

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13 minutes ago, Mancode said:

SC/ST oppression by UC,BC hindus is  narrative built by missionaries which some are blindly falling into that, i Dont completely agree with that, there maybe some incidents still that they are looked upon bad by UC,BC hindus ,that is bad , we all should condemn it

but irojulllo evarni gudi loki ranivvanidhi

1800's nunchi temples loki entry movements nadustunai sub continent lo by various reformers

oppression and poverty are differnent things

poverty dont  have caste or religion

 

You are not observing the demographic and generational changes that have happened. Today, there are more ‘Christians by birth’ than ‘Christian's by conversion’. You are following a narration set in the 80’s. 
 

A case study I was personally involved. Bapatla to Chirala, one of the densely converted christian region. The actual conversion have gone down by a lot now but the damage has happened already. The born christians now outnumber the converted christians by a huge margin. One of the major reason for conversion by their previous generation was oppression and poverty and pastors provided them with access to English education and food, and created a hope that jesus is here to take care of you and your kids, they go to school, speak english and have respect. 

I personally know vigilantes who kidnapped and murdered fastors….ie conversions gurinchi naku teliyadu anukunte inka chala chepta. Yadagirigutta mida okadu siluva gyrtu vesthe vadini hunt chesi mari champinaru YSR time lo…

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They will be just coverts thats all, jyst like teddies. Payiki hindu ani cheptharu. Chusinam gaa jaggadi vishyam loo, vallaki. Jaggade correct

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4 minutes ago, Android_Halwa said:

You are not observing the demographic and generational changes that have happened. Today, there are more ‘Christians by birth’ than ‘Christian's by conversion’. You are following a narration set in the 80’s. 
 

A case study I was personally involved. Bapatla to Chirala, one of the densely converted christian region. The actual conversion have gone down by a lot now but the damage has happened already. The born christians now outnumber the converted christians by a huge margin. One of the major reason for conversion by their previous generation was oppression and poverty and pastors provided them with access to English education and food, and created a hope that jesus is here to take care of you and your kids, they go to school, speak english and have respect. 

I personally know vigilantes who kidnapped and murdered fastors….ie conversions gurinchi naku teliyadu anukunte inka chala chepta. Yadagirigutta mida okadu siluva gyrtu vesthe vadini hunt chesi mari champinaru YSR time lo…

reconverting xtians back to hinduism by debate is so easy bro , lot of bible verses doesnt have intellectual depth like bhagavad geetha, idhe born xtians ni kuda e group converting back to hinduism .

poverty valla aithenee kastam for organisations to take care

 

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1 hour ago, Mancode said:

ysr dalit a tribal a bro, convert ayadu oppression valla?

YSR is a different story , a lot of influential people have built relations with church for foreign funds.but in ysrs case his grandfather converted purely for spiritual reasons.

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most conversions take place because churches give oppressed castes a community to belong to , most of them won't leave their religion for others.

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Lol! lalith kumar is an ex Christian,  he might be using the same strategy where Christian organizations funded people who convert other religion members to Christianity.  now he is doing the same in the name of Hinduism. his  youtube videos are filled with ads requesting for funds.

 

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@Mancode ninna TV5 Murthy oka debate choosadu. Dhantlo oka pastor John Babu ani attend ayyadu, if you listen to him, you will unerstand the mind of the converted people. For various reasons, Murthy didn't go too deep into the details and I didn't like the debate because it was like John Babu Vs 4 or 5 other people though the other guy spoke logically better, the debate seemed one sided. ilanti debates ekkuva pedithe, it will expose. I always suprised why TDP didn't play this before and after 2014 when Jagan was playing with caste and regional politics. TDP doesn't loose anything as 95% of Christians don't vote for their party, it helps exposing double standards of people like Jagan and the pastors.

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