🗳️🗳️Maharashtra, Jharkand Results Day🥇🥈🥉

[Teluguredu]

9 hours ago, mazar said:

@CanadianMalodu ikkada ee intellectual adige question chusara😄 they leaving out small states anta then why didnt they leave out haryana?

emaina ante I went to mumbai and spoke to people antav.....babu maharastra lo 6.5 crore vote vesaru how many you spoke to?

Harayana lo elections appudu haryana plus Jammu Kashmir ofc kasmir lo impossible anuko anduke haryana teeskoni vadilesaru.

 

Even in surveys they only take a sample from a few people lol they won't talk to everyone .

Nenu adigindhe vadilai ,lok sabha results lo kanipinchindhi kooda adhe.

[Raisins_72]

1 hour ago, Teluguredu said:

Harayana lo elections appudu haryana plus Jammu Kashmir ofc kasmir lo impossible anuko anduke haryana teeskoni vadilesaru.

 

Even in surveys they only take a sample from a few people lol they won't talk to everyone .

Nenu adigindhe vadilai ,lok sabha results lo kanipinchindhi kooda adhe.

[mazar]

9 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said:

That % is under 5 and it doesn't in no way verify the poll trends or patterns and don't reflect the prepoll expectations from any exit polls. 

If you insist on voting something, the onus is you to prove that it's working as it's supposed to work not the other way round. It's the judiciary's  responsibility to dispel any apprehensions about EVMs. However doesn't appear to be the case.  

Unless there are atleast few 100% VVPAT tallies to EVM vote of few contested consistencies  no meaningful conclusion can be arrived at 

 

if bjp is rigging evms how are they doing it when all evms are sealed with signature of major party reps taken. while counting those signatures are shown and then opened. how will checking few constituencies help? anyways I agree they should tally 100% vvpat for few close contests....bjp lost several with small margins they did a bad job had they really rigged😄

but you did not answer why dont we go back to ballot like how the opposition is asking. do you agree with them will that ensure 100% transparency?

 

[mazar]

1 hour ago, Teluguredu said:

Harayana lo elections appudu haryana plus Jammu Kashmir ofc kasmir lo impossible anuko anduke haryana teeskoni vadilesaru.

 

Even in surveys they only take a sample from a few people lol they won't talk to everyone .

Nenu adigindhe vadilai ,lok sabha results lo kanipinchindhi kooda adhe.

Your 1st point is comedy I wont bother answering that

anna surveys are taken based on random representative sampling based on various parameters like age,gender,occupation,caste ,religion and their weightage is taken by their demography proportionately and then they arrive at vote share. they wont take survey by just talking to car drivers, pan dabbawalas and 10 people in one apartment complex. 

seems like you have nil understanding of public opinion or surveys and that is evident by all your posts

[Teluguredu]

1 hour ago, mazar said:

Your 1st point is comedy I wont bother answering that

anna surveys are taken based on random representative sampling based on various parameters like age,gender,occupation,caste ,religion and their weightage is taken by their demography proportionately and then they arrive at vote share. they wont take survey by just talking to car drivers, pan dabbawalas and 10 people in one apartment complex. 

seems like you have nil understanding of public opinion or surveys and that is evident by all your posts

 it's easy to get the public mood by talking to people.

Public opinion is clear ,mh people were anti-bjp that was evident in lok sabha ,these assembly elections are a random number generator comedy elections.

 

[CanadianMalodu]

On 11/24/2024 at 3:10 AM, mazar said:

if bjp is rigging evms how are they doing it when all evms are sealed with signature of major party reps taken. while counting those signatures are shown and then opened. how will checking few constituencies help? anyways I agree they should tally 100% vvpat for few close contests....bjp lost several with small margins they did a bad job had they really rigged😄

but you did not answer why dont we go back to ballot like how the opposition is asking. do you agree with them will that ensure 100% transparency?

 

#1 There are two ways it can hapen:

1. Use a rigged source code. If X&Y are contesting for an MLA/MP, you can have first 1500 or so votes assigned to them,in a way they are polled. You can tweak the source code in such a way that next 20,000 votes go to X no matter whom you voted.

2. Is a receiver integrated into the mother board which can be remotely accessed, which is sort of hacking. You can swap the votes then. 

#2 If the contestants who anticipated victories faced huge losses than they projected per both their own internal surveys and exit polls, a physical tally of VVPATs will do it. Bluetooth tech was being used this way and even MP Ravindra Waikar's BIL was caught accessing EVM through Bluetooth in Maharastra.  Vemuru Hari Prasad, once was a whistle blower proved it but then he was hired by Baboru to do the number crunching and swapping this time as IT advisor. 

 

It will reveal which of either 2 is being employed. It should in a chain reaction trigger EVM audit, looking for timestamps of the votes, the time they were swapped etc. issues pertaining to data integrity controls. No such controls exit at the moment, so may be introduced. 

Ballot voting had issues of  booth rigging, destroying ballots etc. but ballot rigging systematically didn't change the outcome of entire results. The impact was more local than systemic.  It appears its far more easy to change the systemic outcome through EVMs. With the current tech, ensuring surveillance with ballot voting is lot more easy, so is Force deployment. I'm fine with it too. European countries are not stupid to go with paper right?

You cannot keep the facade going on forever, if people realize it en masse they will resort to protests. The poor in India has only say in things, through voting. If you take it away, they have nothing else to loose and will fight back. It's then only a matter of trigger. 

[mazar]

On 11/24/2024 at 7:13 AM, CanadianMalodu said:

#1 There are two ways it can hapen:

1. Use a rigged source code. If X&Y are contesting for an MLA/MP, you can have first 1500 or so votes assigned to them,in a way they are polled. You can tweak the source code in such a way that next 20,000 votes go to X no matter whom you voted.

2. Have a receiver integrated into the mother board which can be remotely accessed, which is sort of hacking. You can swap the votes then. 

#2 If the contestants who anticipated victories faced huge losses than they projected per both their own internal surveys and exit polls, a physical tally of VVPATs will do it. Bluetooth tech was being used this way and even MP Ravindra Waikar's BIL was caught accessing EVM through Bluetooth in Maharastra.  Vemuru Hari Prasad, once was a whistle blower proved it but then he was hired by Baboru to do the number crunching and swapping this time as IT advisor. 

 

It will reveal which of either 2 is being employed. It should in a chain reaction trigger EVM audit, looking for timestamps of the votes, the time they were swapped etc. issues pertaining to data integrity controls. No such controls exit at the moment, so may be introduced. 

Ballot voting had issues of  booth rigging, destroying ballots etc. but ballot rigging systematically didn't change the outcome of entire results. The impact was more local than systemic.  It appears its far more easy to change the systemic outcome through EVMs. With the current tech, ensuring surveillance with ballot voting is lot more easy, so is Force deployment. I'm fine with it too. European countries are not stupid to go with paper right?

You cannot keep the facade going on forever, if people realize it en masse they will resort to protests. The poor in India has only say in things, through voting. If you take it away, they have nothing else to loose and will fight back. It's then only a matter of trigger. 

first 2 points is pure fantasy I dont think bjp is that talented to do if they are doing then they probably deserve to be in govt simply for being so smart

europe lo booth capturing undadhu you are saying as if during ballots everything was right in indian voting system

they was booth capturing and fake ballots you dont even have to be smart to do all that

and when al that was happening people like wont say democracy in danger right

only now since you are losing side this comes up poor people and their right ant alol

[CanadianMalodu]

23 minutes ago, mazar said:

#1 first 2 points is pure fantasy I dont think bjp is that #2talented to do if they are doing then they probably deserve to be in govt simply for being so smart

europe lo booth capturing undadhu you are #3 saying as if during ballots everything was right in indian voting system

they was booth capturing and fake ballots you dont even have to be smart to do all that

#4 and when al that was happening people like wont say democracy in danger right

only now since you are losing side this comes up poor people and their right ant alol

Lol, what do you mean by fantasy? Do you have access to source code? Was Source code ever tested to be tamper proof? Are any such mechanism shown in public domain? Do you have the source code in public domain?

How do you think Vemuri Prasad Babori IT advisor proved it then?

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/hyderabad/hacked-evm-but-theft-case-booked-chandrababu-naidus-tech-advisor/articleshow/68881792.cms

Second one, why was Ravindra Waikar's BIL caught then?  

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indiatoday.in/amp/india/story/shiv-sena-eknath-shinde-mp-ravindra-waikar-brother-in-law-case-mumbai-police-phone-evm-2553875-2024-06-16

#2 Where did I deny them not being smart? You can't survive let alone win unless you're smart in politics. The bigger problem is elections have lost relevance globally. 

#3  You can do rigged polling with EVM too, you don't need machines for it, you need voter rolls to be on your side just as booth rigging. The point being the amount of effort and time for ballot rigging vs EVM rigging are vastly different and ballot rigging didn't systemically change the outcome else Indira Gandhi, Lalu Yadav, DMK  would have never lost. EVM on the other hand did and can change systemic outcome. This is not to say ballot rigging is good and doesn't change outcome.

#4 People as a group have their own interests. Your are looking at them from a tribalistic point of view (US vs them). But at the end of the day, what else can poor people do? They can't influence police, judiciary and politicians in any other way except voting. That's their only leverage. Middle class don't have same electoral leverage, but they earn their livelihood and call it a day. Poor don't even have that.

 By the way I prefer Modi to Congress anytime (you can look up my old threads), but last two terms were nothing short of treachery to the middle class that pays taxes in the country. Forget poor. 

Both sides of Indian political spectrum are being played by Globalist Zionist elites just as left vs right game.

[mazar]

2 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said:

Lol, what do you mean by fantasy? Do you have access to source code? Was Source code ever tested to be tamper proof? Are any such mechanism shown in public domain? Do you have the source code in public domain?

How do you think Vemuri Prasad Babori IT advisor proved it then?

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/hyderabad/hacked-evm-but-theft-case-booked-chandrababu-naidus-tech-advisor/articleshow/68881792.cms

Second one, why was Ravindra Waikar's BIL caught then?  

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indiatoday.in/amp/india/story/shiv-sena-eknath-shinde-mp-ravindra-waikar-brother-in-law-case-mumbai-police-phone-evm-2553875-2024-06-16

#2 Where did I deny them not being smart? You can't survive let alone win unless you're smart in politics. The bigger problem is elections have lost relevance globally. 

#3  You can do rigged polling with EVM too, you don't need machines for it, you need voter rolls to be on your side just as booth rigging. The point being the amount of effort and time for ballot rigging vs EVM rigging are vastly different and ballot rigging didn't systemically change the outcome else Indira Gandhi, Lalu Yadav, DMK  would have never lost. EVM on the other hand did and can change systemic outcome. This is not to say ballot rigging is good and doesn't change outcome.

#4 People as a group have their own interests. Your are looking at them from a tribalistic point of view (US vs them). But at the end of the day, what else can poor people do? They can't influence police, judiciary and politicians in any other way except voting. That's their only leverage. Middle class don't have same electoral leverage, but they earn their livelihood and call it a day. Poor don't even have that.

 By the way I prefer Modi to Congress anytime (you can look up my old threads), but last two terms were nothing short of treachery to the middle class that pays taxes in the country. Forget poor. 

Both sides of Indian political spectrum are being played by Globalist Zionist elites just as left vs right game.

comparing last 10 years with the 60 yrs of congress.....i will make one point ....there is one state which had 15% toilet coverage until 2014 and now the coverage has crossed 60% i rest my case

[CanadianMalodu]

16 minutes ago, mazar said:

comparing last 10 years with the 60 yrs of congress.....i will make one point ....there is one state which had 15% toilet coverage until 2014 and now the coverage has crossed 60% i rest my case

 what's your point? So now BJP has Carte Blanche to do whatever they seem fit? Don't fall for this red pill, blue pill stuff.

[mazar]

5 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said:

 what's your point? So now BJP has Carte Blanche to do whatever they seem fit? Don't fall for this red pill, blue pill stuff.

while I try not to fall for the pills you can continue believing everything happening across the globe is a conspiracy theory

[CanadianMalodu]

12 hours ago, mazar said:

while I try not to fall for the pills you can continue believing everything happening across the globe is a conspiracy theory

Who said it's a theory. Look at the Debt to GDP ratios of all the economies and who holds large chunk of external debts, you will understand who pulls the strings. Those are real numbers. Wrt. Conspiracies, they are integral part of politics. They have existed before you and I are born and will stay after we are long gone.

[Android_Halwa]

Has anyone seen @bhaigan? 

[mazar]

22 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said:

Who said it's a theory. Look at the Debt to GDP ratios of all the economies and who holds large chunk of external debts, you will understand who pulls the strings. Those are real numbers. Wrt. Conspiracies, they are integral part of politics. They have existed before you and I are born and will stay after we are long gone.

the residents of fools paradise love to indulge in conspiracy theories so that they can gloss over their painful situation

well if it sooths and works for them I am all for it. bring it on....

[CanadianMalodu]

1 hour ago, mazar said:

the residents of fools paradise love to indulge in conspiracy theories so that they can gloss over their painful situation

well if it sooths and works for them I am all for it. bring it on....

Nah, it's just you believing that what state tells you and I differing with it. If any, history is testament to the fact that governments lie and lie a lot. That's their nature.

You indeed agree that there is no 100% match of VVPATs to EVM counting in any constituency, let alone disputed constituency and neither you did cite any sources that validated the source code and the machine configuration.

You also didn't bother to see how national states are sunk in debt by supra national entities, which are unelected by any nation state populace. You can call me a fool or whatever you like, and so do I think of the ilk of yours.

There is no painful situation for me as  I plan my own finances according to how I see things. If any it only saddens me to see how democracies has become a joke and how people are being sunk in debt by the governments they think they elected.