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[psycopk]

 nista daridrudu.. enta cheta cheyalo anta chetta chesadu

[Keth]

31 minutes ago, psycopk said:

 nista daridrudu.. enta cheta cheyalo anta chetta chesadu

em karma man nasanam chesi dobbadu

on the bright side he wont be around for next 10 years

by then we can see clear shape of capital. thank god!!

Later no one will ever try to do these kind of idiotic things

[Xtian_Teddy]

CBN not my CM

[CanadianMalodu]

7 hours ago, pichukgudu said:

#1 You clearly dont know what the sole purpose of a govt is! Nowhere in d world, govt. is seen as a business enterprise or to bluntly put it, govt doesnt / shouldnt have any interest in making money! All its there for is to serve people / public! Nothing else!

#2 I was not actually referring to the education coz its a long term & never ending prospect which shd have proper policies in place & it generally takes a generation's time to see d results but since u brought this UP, i've got some statistics for you:

According to 2023 state wise literacy report, andhra pradesh literacy rate is 66.4%. It's the lowest compared to all the Indian states. Negitive growth of -0.5% from last 5 years.

Last five states rankings 2017:

Andhra pradesh 66.9%

Arunachal

Rajesthan

Bihar 70.9%

Telangana 72.8%

Last five states rankings 2023:

Andhra pradesh 66.4%

Rajesthan 69.7%

Bihar 70.9%

Telangana 72.8% 5 UP 73%

Source: survey by National Statistical Office (NSO) 2023, 2017 *UTs & North Eastren States based on 2011 Census

So, Iam really curious to know how did the previous govt made any improvements to our education matrix?

Now coming to what i meant, ppl can only improve their economic status by growing financially! as simple as that! And this is just about already earning individuals .. in various ways of which the first would be for the govt. to create employment opportunities by attracting industries to setup their shops in our state, govt can also help ppl with setting up small / medium scale businesses by ensuring that they get loans at lower interest rates, govt  can invest in capital infrastructure, take up projects which would again create direct/indirect jobs .. also based on state's strengths boost different industries such as tourism as we have a large coastline .. so on & so forth ..

#3 Lets agree for a moment that the previous govt messed up the finances of state. So when the new govt comes in and still couldnt fix it after 5 yrs of it having all the resources at its disposal, can we still keep blaming the mistakes of previous govt for our incompetence? (I assume the state was still under a lot of debt even when the new govt took charge few months ago?)

#4 & #5 Are you suggesting that a section of the society(iam not quoting the no. as there is no way to be sure about it, as you highlighted it rightly), should be prepared to always let go of a portion of their earnings for the govt to be able to provide freebies to beneficiaries of the schemes FOREVER ?? And also how does that help any state in improving its finances when the state borrows money on the top to fulfil those promises & make the working class also pay for the interests accrued on that loan ?? I didnt get the part about electoral leverage , can you plz be more specific / clear about this? 

BOTTOMLINE: Iam not against borrowing .. its most likely the first step when you plan to increase growth in an economy, all iam trying to say is when u borrow u shd invest in things that'd create a multiplier effect in economy .. where govt spends Re.1 and achieves a return of Rs.10 after a substantial period of time. This is basic economics! But if u borrow even for fulfilling welfare schemes which would just keep the economy running the way it was forever, then the state would be buried in debts & the burden again needs to be borne by the residents!

DISCLAIMER: Whatever i said, applies to any govt / political party .. I really dont care about all thats hyped in news about investments / state's decisions made with respect to economy among others, on paper! All that matters is how well things were implemented & did it help the citizens of state in any way! And i guess based on these parameters every citizen would decide on bringing the current ruling govt back to power or not! 

 

#1 Data speaks otherwise. India's top 10 PSUs alone make a profit of 100,000 crores INR. Chinese state owned enterprises make up for 60% market capitalization in China. Earning money doesn't always contradict with serving people. There is both convergence and divergence of such interest in different spaces. 

#2 I wouldn't sweat too much at a 0.5% change. Variables like migrations both internal and external, Birth and death statistics effect literacy rate. It's more or less plateaued or hasn't changed. There is a difference between literacy and education. Literacy means ability of an individual over the age of 7 to read and write in any one language. That has nothing to do with formal schooling. Andhra under Jagan has brought some revolutionary changes to schools. Be it introduction of English medium in government schools, collaborating with IB board to standardize the syllabi, having TOEFL. Nadu nedu, Mana badi are wonderful schemes launches by the government. Supporting the kids parents to Amma vodi and Vidhya devena are purposeful as well. This is investing in state's own human capital. 

How do you expect poor to lower middle class  to grow financially? Either they do business or work a job, right? For the second one, you need to have a leveraging formal education. Industries simply don't come just because of government's call. There has to be enough incentives for them, RE, electricity, Tax rebates, connectivity  employable demographics so on.  FDI simply doesn't flow without government BORROWING. Which is why all industrialized states carry debt be it Maharastra, Karnataka, Telangana, Gujarat all carry debt, with Gujarat being the lowest. Andhra has to carry higher, because we lost the monies that are rightfully ours during state division.  The existing BPO models that provide mass employment are unlikely to move to Andhra at the same scale, as existing cities are more or less settled in absorbing existing working age population. 

Jagan's government did work on MSME. TDP's media just tried to discredit him on that, repeatedly while eulogizing Hyderbad model and criticizing that with Jagan's lack of such approach towards  Amaravathi. Jagan have also capitalized on the shoreline, didn't he ? He took construction of ports like Machilipatanam, Ramayanapeta, Mulapeta, Kakinada Gateway port and fishing harbours. 

#3 Ofcourse previous governments should take blame ? Why not? That's what accountability is about right?

#4 we have both direct and indirect taxes. Indirect taxes are paid by everyone including the beneficiaries of the government direct transfer schemes. Income tax is something that's only paid by the salaried class and business class and agricultural class to a lesser extent. Of that again the slabs vary based on their income levels. If you consider those that pay 20% and over income as a tax, their percentage is substantially lower in the demographics. I wouldn't that number would exceed single digits, given the total income tax paying population in India itself is less than 4%.  This amount of population is further fragmented along caste and regional lines, so they don't hold any electoral leverage collectively. So all they can do is to either get fcuked by the governments and move to places that either give them returns for tax monies or places that levy lower taxes. 

Btw. state government  doesn't levy income tax unless it's agricultural which is underreported anyways, so why do you think Jagan took monies from this class alone?

Your basic economics of adding value is something is I don't deny, but neo liberal model of economics doesn't work that way. Borrowing from external creditors and only servicing the debt is what governments have done thus far in India.  Since you're talking of value addition through debt, why do you think Baboru or Dora  government had not repaid the debt even though they added value and volume interms of ROI for workforce, even during their haytimes?

[pichukgudu]

11 hours ago, CanadianMalodu said:

#1 Data speaks otherwise. India's top 10 PSUs alone make a profit of 100,000 crores INR. Chinese state owned enterprises make up for 60% market capitalization in China. Earning money doesn't always contradict with serving people. There is both convergence and divergence of such interest in different spaces. 

#2 I wouldn't sweat too much at a 0.5% change. Variables like migrations both internal and external, Birth and death statistics effect literacy rate. It's more or less plateaued or hasn't changed. There is a difference between literacy and education. Literacy means ability of an individual over the age of 7 to read and write in any one language. That has nothing to do with formal schooling. Andhra under Jagan has brought some revolutionary changes to schools. Be it introduction of English medium in government schools, collaborating with IB board to standardize the syllabi, having TOEFL. Nadu nedu, Mana badi are wonderful schemes launches by the government. Supporting the kids parents to Amma vodi and Vidhya devena are purposeful as well. This is investing in state's own human capital. 

How do you expect poor to lower middle class  to grow financially? Either they do business or work a job, right? For the second one, you need to have a leveraging formal education. Industries simply don't come just because of government's call. There has to be enough incentives for them, RE, electricity, Tax rebates, connectivity  employable demographics so on.  FDI simply doesn't flow without government BORROWING. Which is why all industrialized states carry debt be it Maharastra, Karnataka, Telangana, Gujarat all carry debt, with Gujarat being the lowest. Andhra has to carry higher, because we lost the monies that are rightfully ours during state division.  The existing BPO models that provide mass employment are unlikely to move to Andhra at the same scale, as existing cities are more or less settled in absorbing existing working age population. 

Jagan's government did work on MSME. TDP's media just tried to discredit him on that, repeatedly while eulogizing Hyderbad model and criticizing that with Jagan's lack of such approach towards  Amaravathi. Jagan have also capitalized on the shoreline, didn't he ? He took construction of ports like Machilipatanam, Ramayanapeta, Mulapeta, Kakinada Gateway port and fishing harbours. 

#3 Ofcourse previous governments should take blame ? Why not? That's what accountability is about right?

#4 we have both direct and indirect taxes. Indirect taxes are paid by everyone including the beneficiaries of the government direct transfer schemes. Income tax is something that's only paid by the salaried class and business class and agricultural class to a lesser extent. Of that again the slabs vary based on their income levels. If you consider those that pay 20% and over income as a tax, their percentage is substantially lower in the demographics. I wouldn't that number would exceed single digits, given the total income tax paying population in India itself is less than 4%.  This amount of population is further fragmented along caste and regional lines, so they don't hold any electoral leverage collectively. So all they can do is to either get fcuked by the governments and move to places that either give them returns for tax monies or places that levy lower taxes. 

Btw. state government  doesn't levy income tax unless it's agricultural which is underreported anyways, so why do you think Jagan took monies from this class alone?

Your basic economics of adding value is something is I don't deny, but neo liberal model of economics doesn't work that way. Borrowing from external creditors and only servicing the debt is what governments have done thus far in India.  Since you're talking of value addition through debt, why do you think Baboru or Dora  government had not repaid the debt even though they added value and volume interms of ROI for workforce, even during their haytimes?

#1 I was referring to actual role of govt. which is to provide proper governance to citizens .. the money that's required to do so comes from the citizens itself in various forms .. there is no such thing as govt's own money which the people are not entitled to .. PSU's and every odr company where govt invests is for providing employment opportunities to its citizens & also generate revenue only to spend it on its own citizens again with focus on security / health / education / odr essential facilities etc.

#2 I dont deny the reforms brought in education sector by previous govt. Was just trying to respond to your statement wherein u said under previous govt rule .. the education system has seen improvement .. so was curious to know hw do u measure that improvement, using which matrix? 

For the remaining part, i dont think we both differ much in our understanding on how FDI's shd flow or how govt can facilitate in creating more opportunities for local people .. as i did acknowledge that BORROWING is most likely d first step but it shd be spent wisely keeping state's interests in mind, thats it!

#3 Accountability is fine and yes the earlier govt would always carry that remark! But wat abt the new govt who now needs to clean up the mess, but still fails to do so? Does that mean even new govt failed in financial administration?

#4 I dont care if direct tax payers are comparatively very less in no. coz they still have to bore the burden for shelling out that extra money for govt's to provide freebies to a section of residents forever & make them believe that getting money for free from govt is their right! whereas the hardworking tax payers dont get access to any better facilities either! it has nothing to do with their political affiliation / personal interests .. its just poor management of people's wealth by govt!

Also, i'd like to reiterate that i dont talk for a particular govt / a leader .. iam just being very generic abt how an ideal govt shd function! Whatever neo-liberal model of economics u're talking abt, cant sustain if the debts keep on increasing & if govt is unable to figure out a plan to pay them off by increasing its revenue & not by passing on d burden to residents!