70వేల పైగా వేసిన ఓట్లలో 86% జగన్ గారికే …

[pichukgudu]

3 minutes ago, Teluguredu said:

What about the debt money pumped to showbiz infra projects which get completely cut off from the economy and only benefit realtors and contractors and the debt is paid by the normal people while the state economy gets zilch ,this is much worse than DBT's where the money atleast works as stimulus to economy.

DBT aren't a big dent as compared to the money cut off by these leeches .

what kind of infra projects are you referring to ??

Also, dont contractors / realtors need any support from the govt? are they not part of the state ?? And wont these infra projects create direct / indirect jobs which would again generate some revenue for the state ??

I do support DBT's implementation but the govt shd have a plan in place as well for reducing the DBT expenditure with time .. it cannot keep giving freebies to a section of citizens and make others bore that burden !! simply not sustainable !! 

[psycopk]

telangana lo anna craze ee veru.. he should move to tg.. 

[Teluguredu]

1 hour ago, pichukgudu said:

what kind of infra projects are you referring to ??

Also, dont contractors / realtors need any support from the govt? are they not part of the state ?? And wont these infra projects create direct / indirect jobs which would again generate some revenue for the state ??

I do support DBT's implementation but the govt shd have a plan in place as well for reducing the DBT expenditure with time .. it cannot keep giving freebies to a section of citizens and make others bore that burden !! simply not sustainable !! 

Loss-making metro projects in tier-2 cities ,airports in cities with no justifiable demand ,vanity projects like Greenfield cities ,vande bharath.

Projects should be built to benefit the economy not to benefit contractors,contractors are just brokers who provide their service .

These projects won't justify the cost-benefit.

DBT's are very less in amount and not a major issue . No one is depending and living on DBT's ,they usually have an incentive to them like amma vodi to send kids to schools.total ammavodi ammount was around 25,000 crores in 4 years years and that money will be used by the people and will keep rotating in the economy.

Major things that lead to economic crisis are debts taken for huge projects and salaries for government employees.

[CanadianMalodu]

2 hours ago, pichukgudu said:

#1Do u think govt. is a business enterprise that thrives on profit / loss mechanism ??

Basic responsibility of a govt. is to provide better living conditions for its citizens! And they do that by improving their standards of living, by creating more opportunities for them to grow financially & socially which also reflects in their economic class when they move up from #2 BPL to lower middle class to upper middle class, so on & so forth .. & which will increase the revenue of govt. which they'd again continue to spend on welfare schemes & also to build capital infrastructure that will again help in attracting more investments & eventually more opportunities for residents .. more growth & more revenue & the cycle goes on!! This #2cannot be achieved simply by making a section of citizens depend on DBT's from govt. forever ... 

#3 A govt. is considered to be a failed one, when it's unable to pay salaries on time to its own employees & borrow loans on the other hand to just fulfil the welfare promises to poor people .. who'll definitely spend that money which would keep the economy running, but what about the #4 70% people of the state who are not beneficiaries of those DBT's, yet have to carry the burden of paying the interest for that loan acquired by govt. & with no real incentives for them ??

#5This way you're just making the working class poorer by each passing day at the expense of citizens who are living on freebies .. who'll again always remain that way because there is no plan to make them efficient by helping them to be able to stand on their own feet even after a certain period of time ..

Is this the kind of economic cycle you're raving about ??? 

#1 Any entity whether government or not that does business wants it to be profitable. Why do you think that government doesn't want it's  businesses to be profitable ? Do you even know such business exist across the globe? and were paralyzed after neoliberalism was made mainstream?

#2 How do you think this will be achieved? If it's through education, then current government in Andhra headed by Baboru has conflict of interests. Education was doing relatively well under government till the time of NTR. From the time of Baboru, government schooling was deliberately neglected to favour Narayana , Srichaitanya and others till Jagan.

#3 Before you arrive at that conclusion, you need to see the deficit situation of Andhra. Who was responsible for the debt that Andhra incurred? Who was responsible for the debt that's passed on? 

#4 This question if you link back things logically will end up at adaptation of "Neo-liberal " policies. Even then where did you get the number 70%? If your number 70% is right (just think for a moment) then how is that collectively 70% has less leverage electorally than the 30% to begin with? 

#5 This is again with neo-liberal policies. A simple measure of that will be the growing divide between have and have nots since the early 90s. The growth cycle that you have preached thus far is all based on borrowing. Who holds the highest external debt in India? "WORLD BANK".  You NEED TO BORROW first only shall then the FDI flows after doing trips to WEF, Davos, that also accounts for a tiny fraction of what's borrowed. Of that borrowed monies, huge chunk is being swindled by political brokers particularly the likes of Baboru and Dora through vanity projects.  With Jagan the borrowed monies simply percolated downwards. 

Just in this one year in Andhra, the state(as in central government) has to absorb losses on VIZAG steel plant,which is deliberately planned. Then the Andhra Sarkar the LEGAL CUSTODIAN of the LAND under the ISPAT nigam, let go of the rights to 33,000 acres. 2500 were given VRS, 3600 contract workers gate passes were cancelled and a MITTAL STEEL appears in Anakapalli and MAALOKAM claiming it as achievement of 60,000 crore investment? 

Do you think the math even adds up? How much has Andhra borrowed this year? 15,000 crore from World bank again for so called Capital infrastructure? Who pays that again? Your number of 70% people? 

 

 

 

[pichukgudu]

25 minutes ago, Teluguredu said:

Loss-making metro projects in tier-2 cities ,airports in cities with no justifiable demand ,vanity projects like Greenfield cities vande bharath.

Projects should be built to benefit the economy not to benefit contractors,contractors are just brokers who provide their service .

These projects won't justify the cost-benefit.

DBT's are very less in amount and not a major issue . No one is depending and living on DBT's ,they usually have an incentive to them like amma vodi to send kids to schools.total ammavodi ammount was around 25,000 crores in 4 years years and that money will be used by the people and will keep rotating in the economy.

Major things that lead to economic crisis are debts taken for huge projects and salaries for government employees.

I agree with the highlighted content! But how can you predict the outcome of the odr infra projects you mentioned, even before they're functional / available for public use ?? 

https://www.expresscomputer.in/guest-blogs/how-metro-rail-projects-in-andhra-pradesh-can-act-as-economic-growth-engines-for-the-state/84414/

https://www.livemint.com/economy/will-amaravati-become-new-greenfield-it-capital-of-ap-experts-say-krishna-river-to-bring-sustainability-and-tourism-11718602010130.html

Also, isnt Vande Bharat trains / routes declaration taken care by Indian Railways. Does state has anything to do with it ?? Plz enlighten me if iam missing something here ..

Besides, as i said .. whatever infra projects govt take up .. it may initially help the contractors to make more money while its getting built .. but after the project's completion .. its a property of the state .. and would create various direct & indirect jobs .. also many small & medium scale businesses will flourish with time varying based on the needs such as stores / outlets being run at metro stations etc. which will all contribute to the state's growth !!

I'd like to reiterate that spending on welfare schemes is not a concern as long as govt has a clear cut plan on how to use these programs to empower the poor and help them to achieve a stable source of income with time .. so that they wont need those DBT's anymore .. coz this is 70% of state people bearing the burden of feeding d odr 30% forever !! 

[Teluguredu]

15 minutes ago, pichukgudu said:

I agree with the highlighted content! But how can you predict the outcome of the odr infra projects you mentioned, even before they're functional / available for public use ?? 

https://www.expresscomputer.in/guest-blogs/how-metro-rail-projects-in-andhra-pradesh-can-act-as-economic-growth-engines-for-the-state/84414/

https://www.livemint.com/economy/will-amaravati-become-new-greenfield-it-capital-of-ap-experts-say-krishna-river-to-bring-sustainability-and-tourism-11718602010130.html

Also, isnt Vande Bharat trains / routes declaration taken care by Indian Railways. Does state has anything to do with it ?? Plz enlighten me if iam missing something here ..

Besides, as i said .. whatever infra projects govt take up .. it may initially help the contractors to make more money while its getting built .. but after the project's completion .. its a property of the state .. and would create various direct & indirect jobs .. also many small & medium scale businesses will flourish with time varying based on the needs such as stores / outlets being run at metro stations etc. which will all contribute to the state's growth !!

I'd like to reiterate that spending on welfare schemes is not a concern as long as govt has a clear cut plan on how to use these programs to empower the poor and help them to achieve a stable source of income with time .. so that they wont need those DBT's anymore .. coz this is 70% of state people bearing the burden of feeding d odr 30% forever !! 

I am talking about the entire country .

Greenfield cities will be a failure ,it's a useless project when you already have multiple cities that can be expanded on.they will borrow thousands of crores just to build the basic infra.

Outlets in metro ,mall jobs these will never justify the costs

 

 

acc to TDP estimates 8 years ago ,amravati requires 1 lakh crores just for building roads and other basic infra. 

noone is feeding anyone ,do you think 2k is enough for a family to live?.they are just incentivized schemes given by the government for a purpose.

[pichukgudu]

44 minutes ago, CanadianMalodu said:

#1 Any entity whether government or not that does business wants it to be profitable. Why do you think that government doesn't want it's  businesses to be profitable ? Do you even know such business exist across the globe? and were paralyzed after neoliberalism was made mainstream?

#2 How do you think will be achieved? If it's through education, then current government in Andhra headed by Baboru has conflict of interests. Education was doing relatively under government till the time of NTR. From the time of Baboru, government schooling was deliberately neglected to favour Narayana , Srichaitanya and others till Jagan.

#3 Before you arrive at that conclusion, you need to see the deficit situation of Andhra. Who was responsible for the debt that Andhra incurred? Who was responsible for the debt that's passed on? 

#4 This question if you link back things logically will end up at adaptation of "Neo-liberal " policies. Even then where did you get the number 70%? If your number 70% is right (just think for a moment) then how is that collectively 70% has less leverage electorally than the 30% to begin with? 

#5 This is again with neo-liberal policies. A simple measure of that will be the growing divide between have and have nots since the early 90s. The growth cycle that you have preached thus far is all based on borrowing. Who holds the highest external debt in India? "WORLD BANK".  You NEED TO BORROW first only shall then the FDI flows after doing trips to WEF, Davos, that also accounts for a tiny fraction of what's borrowed. Of that borrowed monies, huge chunk is being swindled by political brokers particularly the likes of Baboru and Dora.  With Jagan the borrowed monies simply percolated downwards. 

Just in this one year in Andhra, the state(as in central government) has to absorb losses on VIZAG steel plant,which is deliberately planned. Then the Andhra Sarkar the LEGAL CUSTODIAN of the LAND under the ISPAT nigam, let go of the rights to 33,000 acres. 2500 were given VRS, 3600 contract workers gate passes were cancelled and a MITTAL STEEL appears in Anakapalli and MAALOKAM claiming it as achievement of 60,000 crore investment? 

Do you think the math even adds up? How much has Andhra borrowed this year? 15,000 core from World bank again for so called Capital infrastructure? Who pays that again? Your number of 70% people? 

 

 

 

#1 You clearly dont know what the sole purpose of a govt is! Nowhere in d world, govt. is seen as a business enterprise or to bluntly put it, govt doesnt / shouldnt have any interest in making money! All its there for is to serve people / public! Nothing else!

#2 I was not actually referring to the education coz its a long term & never ending prospect which shd have proper policies in place & it generally takes a generation's time to see d results but since u brought this UP, i've got some statistics for you:

According to 2023 state wise literacy report, andhra pradesh literacy rate is 66.4%. It's the lowest compared to all the Indian states. Negitive growth of -0.5% from last 5 years.

Last five states rankings 2017:

Andhra pradesh 66.9%

Arunachal

Rajesthan

Bihar 70.9%

Telangana 72.8%

Last five states rankings 2023:

Andhra pradesh 66.4%

Rajesthan 69.7%

Bihar 70.9%

Telangana 72.8% 5 UP 73%

Source: survey by National Statistical Office (NSO) 2023, 2017 *UTs & North Eastren States based on 2011 Census

So, Iam really curious to know how did the previous govt made any improvements to our education matrix?

Now coming to what i meant, ppl can only improve their economic status by growing financially! as simple as that! And this is just about already earning individuals .. in various ways of which the first would be for the govt. to create employment opportunities by attracting industries to setup their shops in our state, govt can also help ppl with setting up small / medium scale businesses by ensuring that they get loans at lower interest rates, govt  can invest in capital infrastructure, take up projects which would again create direct/indirect jobs .. also based on state's strengths boost different industries such as tourism as we have a large coastline .. so on & so forth ..

#3 Lets agree for a moment that the previous govt messed up the finances of state. So when the new govt comes in and still couldnt fix it after 5 yrs of it having all the resources at its disposal, can we still keep blaming the mistakes of previous govt for our incompetence? (I assume the state was still under a lot of debt even when the new govt took charge few months ago?)

#4 & #5 Are you suggesting that a section of the society(iam not quoting the no. as there is no way to be sure about it, as you highlighted it rightly), should be prepared to always let go of a portion of their earnings for the govt to be able to provide freebies to beneficiaries of the schemes FOREVER ?? And also how does that help any state in improving its finances when the state borrows money on the top to fulfil those promises & make the working class also pay for the interests accrued on that loan ?? I didnt get the part about electoral leverage , can you plz be more specific / clear about this? 

BOTTOMLINE: Iam not against borrowing .. its most likely the first step when you plan to increase growth in an economy, all iam trying to say is when u borrow u shd invest in things that'd create a multiplier effect in economy .. where govt spends Re.1 and achieves a return of Rs.10 after a substantial period of time. This is basic economics! But if u borrow even for fulfilling welfare schemes which would just keep the economy running the way it was forever, then the state would be buried in debts & the burden again needs to be borne by the residents!

DISCLAIMER: Whatever i said, applies to any govt / political party .. I really dont care about all thats hyped in news about investments / state's decisions made with respect to economy among others, on paper! All that matters is how well things were implemented & did it help the citizens of state in any way! And i guess based on these parameters every citizen would decide on bringing the current ruling govt back to power or not! 

 

[pichukgudu]

52 minutes ago, Teluguredu said:

I am talking about the entire country .

Greenfield cities will be a failure ,it's a useless project when you already have multiple cities that can be expanded on.they will borrow thousands of crores just to build the basic infra.

Outlets in metro ,mall jobs these will never justify the costs

 

 

acc to TDP estimates 8 years ago ,amravati requires 1 lakh crores just for building roads and other basic infra. 

noone is feeding anyone ,do you think 2k is enough for a family to live?.they are just incentivized schemes given by the government for a purpose.

Anna .. 2k aina .. 20k aina .. evaro tax katte dabbulu tho tax kattanodiki karchupedthundhi kadha govt ? alantapudu .. adhi eppatiki ala kattali ante .. kastapadi sampadinchevadiki badha vundadha ? Paiga ipudu aa 2k ivadaniki kuda loans theesukunte .. dhaani meedha pade interest kuda malli adhananga ee tax payer e barinchali kadha ? dont you think its kinda unfair? 

[Keth]

14 hours ago, CosthaBidda said:

@CanadianMalodu endi vayya. Anni sarlu adgithe sappudu cheyyav. Appudu kuda EVM ante oka pani ayipoya 

 

14 hours ago, Joker_007 said:

Poor people peru cheppi Middle class vadi naddi virgottadu ga.... 

 

3 hours ago, psycopk said:

telangana lo anna craze ee veru.. he should move to tg.. 

 

36 minutes ago, pichukgudu said:

Anna .. 2k aina .. 20k aina .. evaro tax katte dabbulu tho tax kattanodiki karchupedthundhi kadha govt ? alantapudu .. adhi eppatiki ala kattali ante .. kastapadi sampadinchevadiki badha vundadha ? Paiga ipudu aa 2k ivadaniki kuda loans theesukunte .. dhaani meedha pade interest kuda malli adhananga ee tax payer e barinchali kadha ? dont you think its kinda unfair? 

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