11_MohanReddy Posted December 8 Author Report Share Posted December 8 10 hours ago, rational said: To answer your question u need to understand where did vaishnavism come from and how then brahmins converted buddhist aramas and viharas to temples and mathas This is swami vivekananda's quote Disciple: Does the taking of fish and meat give strength? Why do Buddhism and Vaishnavism preach “अहिंसा परमो धर्म:—Non-killing is the highest virtue”? Swamiji: Buddhism and Vaishnavism are not two different things. During the decline of Buddhism in India, Hinduism took from her a few cardinal tenets of conduct and made them her own, and these have now come to be known as Vaishnavism. The Buddhist tenet, “Non-killing is supreme virtue”, is very good, but in trying to enforce it upon all by legislation without paying any heed to the capacities of the people at large, Buddhism has brought ruin upon India. I have come across many a “religious heron” [1] in India, who fed ants with sugar, and at the same time would not hesitate to bring ruin on his own brother for the sake of “filthy lucre”! https://www.swamivivekananda.guru/2020/05/18/xv-5/#:~:text=Swamiji%3A Buddhism and Vaishnavism are,to be known as Vaishnavism. if you want to know more about how Buddhist shrines are converted into hindu temples in south india, there is a book called " A history of South India " written by esteemed historian K.A Nilakanta Sastri. Who explains about some of the Buddhist shrines that are converted into Hindu temples. I will give few quotes from this book "At Ter in Sholapur dist and Chezerla in krishna dist are found Buddhist chaitya halls built in brick. perhaps in 5th century A.D and surviving to this date because they were appropriated to Brahmanical uses during the decline of Buddhism. We refer to trivikrama temple at Ter and Kopateswara temple at Chezarla " https://ia801704.us.archive.org/16/items/in.gov.ignca.16035/16035.pdf (Page 434 last para to page 437 ) Ter and Chazarla were apparently the extension in Mahayana times of the Buddhist activity already set in motion under the Hinayana votaries in a good many centres in Andhrapatha of the Satakarnis and their successors in lower Krishna, as at Nagarjunakonda. These two places represent perhaps the only two extant vestiges of an almost complete apsidal brick temple which were originally dedicated to Buddhism and which by natural supercession of that creed by nascent Brahmanism, were converted to its use-at least in the case of the latter. They could perhaps be dated to the fifth-sixth centuries A.D. This temple at Chazarla is indeed of the greatest importance from the early architectural view point. The fact that the temple is called Kapotesvara and that Sibi lataka is sacred to Buddhism makes this old Buddhist chaitya of considerable significance. Its age is supported by an inscription in the temple by SatSabhamalla, the son of Avanitalantavati Mahadevi, the daughter of the king Kandara of the Ananda gotra line. This Kandara line is a rare dynasty and appears to have ruled in the Krishna area around fourth or fifth centuryA.D. https://api.repository.cam.ac.uk/server/api/core/bitstreams/52d95da2-d5e4-4152-b747-170876e8cbbb/content "Very different from Ladh Khan is the Durga temple fPl. IVa), which was another experiment seeking to adapt the Buddhist chaitya to a Brahmanical temple" https://ia801704.us.archive.org/16/items/in.gov.ignca.16035/16035_text.pdf Based on this logic Christianity and Judaism are the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyStrumpet Posted December 8 Report Share Posted December 8 Vishnavism is different than brahmanism. Also, there is no such thing called Hinduism. It’s always known to be Vedic religion. Where can we draw a line now. @pavankalyan garu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rational Posted December 9 Report Share Posted December 9 8 hours ago, mazar said: hindusim and buddism are both sanatan and are indian born religions and not religions brought by barbaric invaders outsiders who came to enslave local population aryan (steppe pastorals) invaders are the one who developed vedic religion so technically they are also invaders who came to india. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rational Posted December 9 Report Share Posted December 9 11 hours ago, DonnyStrumpet said: Vishnavism is different than brahmanism. Also, there is no such thing called Hinduism. It’s always known to be Vedic religion. Where can we draw a line now. @pavankalyan garu i dont know that. Can you elaborate plz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rational Posted December 9 Report Share Posted December 9 10 hours ago, 11_MohanReddy said: Based on this logic Christianity and Judaism are the same Christianity and Judaism is a different subject which we are not discussing in this thread. Buddhism core values denied the presence of an eternal at least until thatagata is alive where as Judaism believed in monotheism. i dont think we can apply the same logic there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akkum_bakkum Posted December 9 Report Share Posted December 9 On 11/29/2024 at 3:38 AM, Teluguredu said: What a dumb joker. Adendanna...u were for protecting own culture? Marikkadaa logic apply kaaduga, coz the one u dont like is on the other end. Very convenient. nothing wrong in his statement btw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker_007 Posted December 9 Report Share Posted December 9 On 12/8/2024 at 10:27 AM, rational said: To answer your question u need to understand where did vaishnavism come from and how then brahmins converted buddhist aramas and viharas to temples and mathas This is swami vivekananda's quote Disciple: Does the taking of fish and meat give strength? Why do Buddhism and Vaishnavism preach “अहिंसा परमो धर्म:—Non-killing is the highest virtue”? Swamiji: Buddhism and Vaishnavism are not two different things. During the decline of Buddhism in India, Hinduism took from her a few cardinal tenets of conduct and made them her own, and these have now come to be known as Vaishnavism. The Buddhist tenet, “Non-killing is supreme virtue”, is very good, but in trying to enforce it upon all by legislation without paying any heed to the capacities of the people at large, Buddhism has brought ruin upon India. I have come across many a “religious heron” [1] in India, who fed ants with sugar, and at the same time would not hesitate to bring ruin on his own brother for the sake of “filthy lucre”! https://www.swamivivekananda.guru/2020/05/18/xv-5/#:~:text=Swamiji%3A Buddhism and Vaishnavism are,to be known as Vaishnavism. if you want to know more about how Buddhist shrines are converted into hindu temples in south india, there is a book called " A history of South India " written by esteemed historian K.A Nilakanta Sastri. Who explains about some of the Buddhist shrines that are converted into Hindu temples. I will give few quotes from this book "At Ter in Sholapur dist and Chezerla in krishna dist are found Buddhist chaitya halls built in brick. perhaps in 5th century A.D and surviving to this date because they were appropriated to Brahmanical uses during the decline of Buddhism. We refer to trivikrama temple at Ter and Kopateswara temple at Chezarla " https://ia801704.us.archive.org/16/items/in.gov.ignca.16035/16035.pdf (Page 434 last para to page 437 ) Ter and Chazarla were apparently the extension in Mahayana times of the Buddhist activity already set in motion under the Hinayana votaries in a good many centres in Andhrapatha of the Satakarnis and their successors in lower Krishna, as at Nagarjunakonda. These two places represent perhaps the only two extant vestiges of an almost complete apsidal brick temple which were originally dedicated to Buddhism and which by natural supercession of that creed by nascent Brahmanism, were converted to its use-at least in the case of the latter. They could perhaps be dated to the fifth-sixth centuries A.D. This temple at Chazarla is indeed of the greatest importance from the early architectural view point. The fact that the temple is called Kapotesvara and that Sibi lataka is sacred to Buddhism makes this old Buddhist chaitya of considerable significance. Its age is supported by an inscription in the temple by SatSabhamalla, the son of Avanitalantavati Mahadevi, the daughter of the king Kandara of the Ananda gotra line. This Kandara line is a rare dynasty and appears to have ruled in the Krishna area around fourth or fifth centuryA.D. https://api.repository.cam.ac.uk/server/api/core/bitstreams/52d95da2-d5e4-4152-b747-170876e8cbbb/content "Very different from Ladh Khan is the Durga temple fPl. IVa), which was another experiment seeking to adapt the Buddhist chaitya to a Brahmanical temple" https://ia801704.us.archive.org/16/items/in.gov.ignca.16035/16035_text.pdf Put that crap aside and answer me when the Tirupati balaji temple is a budhist shrine... ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teluguredu Posted December 9 Report Share Posted December 9 2 hours ago, akkum_bakkum said: Adendanna...u were for protecting own culture? Marikkadaa logic apply kaaduga, coz the one u dont like is on the other end. Very convenient. nothing wrong in his statement btw. Cowbelt culture isn't my culture tantnana drum b.s never was there in andhra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mazar Posted December 9 Report Share Posted December 9 12 hours ago, rational said: aryan (steppe pastorals) invaders are the one who developed vedic religion so technically they are also invaders who came to india. the aryan theory is long debuked as a fake theory lot of studies have proved all indians have same dna nothing related to aryans yet you continue to believe in the lies that romila thapar and congress put in your mind in your childhood. grow up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mazar Posted December 9 Report Share Posted December 9 7 hours ago, Teluguredu said: Cowbelt culture isn't my culture tantnana drum b.s never was there in andhra. then what is your culture? giving triple talaak, doing halala, using brick in toilets, eating cow, circumcision of d1ck....is that your culture? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teluguredu Posted December 9 Report Share Posted December 9 10 minutes ago, mazar said: then what is your culture? giving triple talaak, doing halala, using brick in toilets, eating cow, circumcision of d1ck....is that your culture? My culture is pure Dravidian telugu. Culture not this grass eating cow pee drinking culture . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teluguredu Posted December 9 Report Share Posted December 9 15 minutes ago, mazar said: the aryan theory is long debuked as a fake theory lot of studies have proved all indians have same dna nothing related to aryans yet you continue to believe in the lies that romila thapar and congress put in your mind in your childhood. grow up. What a load of absolute b.s 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. No study has proved that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rational Posted December 10 Report Share Posted December 10 19 hours ago, mazar said: the aryan theory is long debuked as a fake theory lot of studies have proved all indians have same dna nothing related to aryans yet you continue to believe in the lies that romila thapar and congress put in your mind in your childhood. grow up. aryan theory debunked? can you send me any research papers supporting it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rational Posted December 10 Report Share Posted December 10 On 12/9/2024 at 11:01 AM, Joker_007 said: Put that crap aside and answer me when the Tirupati balaji temple is a budhist shrine... ? which part of it u think i posted is crap? also i said in my next post that i need time, to find the history books, researchers scholars, and their papers which i dont have. i am searching for them. i will update my posts when i am free. unfortunately going back into history and connecting the dots takes a lot of time it is not written in a single line or a paragraph or a book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kakynada Posted December 10 Report Share Posted December 10 On 12/8/2024 at 12:46 PM, mazar said: first ask that musalman if he is ok with non halal food the q was asked means he/she is ready right ? now what's the answer ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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