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1 hour ago, 11_MohanReddy said:

Hinduism is not a Aryan religion. It didn't come to Telugu states. It was there before it Aryan invasion.Β 

No it didn't ,lol even in the present day our practices are completely being dominated by indo-aryans ,you can clearly see the change with your own eyes like vegetarianism for example in last 100 years ,usage of more sanskrit words in urban environments etc..

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3 minutes ago, Teluguredu said:

No it didn't ,lol even in the present day our practices are completely being dominated by indo-aryans ,you can clearly see the change with your own eyes like vegetarianism for example in last 100 years ,usage of more sanskrit words in urban environments etc..

You don't have to be vegetarian to be Hindu. Vegetarianism in South India was never high but it was 100% HinduΒ 

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1 minute ago, 11_MohanReddy said:

You don't have to be vegetarian to be Hindu. Vegetarianism in South India was never high but it was 100% HinduΒ 

Lol you are calling all cultures that are in south asia as Hinduism ,then hy your logic do all the Nordic religions and pre Christian pagan cultures in Europe come under Christianity?

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Just now, Teluguredu said:

Lol you are calling all cultures that are in south asia as Hinduism ,then hy your logic do all the Nordic religions and pre Christian pagan cultures in Europe come under Christianity?

No, Christianity has a founder. No Christianity existed before Jesus Christ.Β 

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1 minute ago, Teluguredu said:

Christianity is just a branch of Judaism which was based on ancient mesopotamian cultureΒ 

Christianity was founded by Jesus Christ Judaism was founded by Abraham. Their culture is different. If anything they are the invaders. Hinduism is native to South India.Β 

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7 hours ago, 11_MohanReddy said:

Christianity was founded by Jesus Christ Judaism was founded by Abraham. Their culture is different. If anything they are the invaders. Hinduism is native to South India.Β 

Wtf 🀣🀣 people just follow dominant religion  , how do you explain sanskrit in south indian languages ,cow worshipping ,vegetariniasm etc.. what a joke.hinduism is as native to south india as Christianity is to Europe .

I don't follow any of these beggar customs of course.

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17 minutes ago, Teluguredu said:

Wtf 🀣🀣 people just follow dominant religion  , how do you explain sanskrit in south indian languages ,cow worshipping ,vegetariniasm etc.. what a joke.hinduism is as native to south india as Christianity is to Europe .

I don't follow any of these beggar customs of course.

True that the Hindu religion presently most accepted, was developed through the Vedic senses cultivated by the so called Aryans. But here the term 'Aryan' was just coined by the British Historians in order to divide and rule. The term 'Arya' exactly means- a noble one.

The Aryan invasion theory is false!!

But there was a migration for sure. It was within the subcontinent. After the downfall of Indus valley civilization and the river Saraswati dried up, the river side civilizations in the West couldn't sustain. So people largely migrated from the West of India to the East side giving rise to a civilization on the banks of river Ganga.

That means 'aryans' are not a race. Also the word Dravida is derived from the word 'drava' meaning liquid. This was more prominently mentioned in Vedas. Later there is also a mention of 'Dravida kingdom' in Mahabharata within Bharatavarsha. That is people who most significantly reside in the water bound regions of India.

Saying so, the southern part of India mostly comprises the so called Dravidian origins. There is no evidence of migration of Aryans from else where. But the British historians had their own reasons to create one!

The pre-Vedic religions followed in the South were mainly based on the worship of 'Village deities' or the 'grama devata'. They also include the worship of trees, animals etc. To be more precise, such village deity concept is there in Northern India too. These are today the integral part of Hinduism!

Soon the Vedic culture originated, developed and propagated in Northern part of India. There was no much propagation to South initially only because there was no means of communication and travel to South of Vindhyas. Also most of the southern part was the 'dandakaranya' forests which blocked the way.

Meanwhile such non-Vedic philosophy of worship was the main religious form in the so called dravida regions!

As time passed in the history, there were migration of sages from North to South for their 'tapasya' in the dandak forests which eventually brought the Vedic culture even to the Dravidian parts.

But as a strict order it was only when sages like Sankaracharya, Madwacharya typically established schools of thought like 'advaita', that the Vedic relegion aspects become more prominent. As a Result we find most of Smartha, Saiva and Vaishnava divisions here in South prominently.

Today after centuries, all these Vedic, non Vedic, tribal, deities, brahmanic, adwaita, dwaita have come under an equal roof called 'Hinduism' !!!

So that is the reason you find so much difference in religious practices of South & North even though we follow the same Hinduism. But racially, both the north and South Indians ( or Aryan & Dravidian) belong to the same race. In particular the ANI and ASI genetics. Hope that helped.

One important factor to consider is,Shaivism, Naga worship and Shakti worship existed in Southern India in agamic or siddantha or folk versions which later interacted with the vedic and vedantic forms.

The end result of amalgamation of Dravidian and Aryan beliefs is:

Dravidians (includes a broad range, to be specific non Indo Europeans) Religion was influenced by Vedic religion. Only the method of worship changed but even Aryans adopted the Dravidian Gods.

In short mainstream Hinduism with a skewed generalization is worship of Dravidian Gods in an Aryan way.

So, Hinduism is predominantly Dravidian!

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22 minutes ago, pichukgudu said:

True that the Hindu religion presently most accepted, was developed through the Vedic senses cultivated by the so called Aryans. But here the term 'Aryan' was just coined by the British Historians in order to divide and rule. The term 'Arya' exactly means- a noble one.

The Aryan invasion theory is false!!

But there was a migration for sure. It was within the subcontinent. After the downfall of Indus valley civilization and the river Saraswati dried up, the river side civilizations in the West couldn't sustain. So people largely migrated from the West of India to the East side giving rise to a civilization on the banks of river Ganga.

That means 'aryans' are not a race. Also the word Dravida is derived from the word 'drava' meaning liquid. This was more prominently mentioned in Vedas. Later there is also a mention of 'Dravida kingdom' in Mahabharata within Bharatavarsha. That is people who most significantly reside in the water bound regions of India.

Saying so, the southern part of India mostly comprises the so called Dravidian origins. There is no evidence of migration of Aryans from else where. But the British historians had their own reasons to create one!

The pre-Vedic religions followed in the South were mainly based on the worship of 'Village deities' or the 'grama devata'. They also include the worship of trees, animals etc. To be more precise, such village deity concept is there in Northern India too. These are today the integral part of Hinduism!

Soon the Vedic culture originated, developed and propagated in Northern part of India. There was no much propagation to South initially only because there was no means of communication and travel to South of Vindhyas. Also most of the southern part was the 'dandakaranya' forests which blocked the way.

Meanwhile such non-Vedic philosophy of worship was the main religious form in the so called dravida regions!

As time passed in the history, there were migration of sages from North to South for their 'tapasya' in the dandak forests which eventually brought the Vedic culture even to the Dravidian parts.

But as a strict order it was only when sages like Sankaracharya, Madwacharya typically established schools of thought like 'advaita', that the Vedic relegion aspects become more prominent. As a Result we find most of Smartha, Saiva and Vaishnava divisions here in South prominently.

Today after centuries, all these Vedic, non Vedic, tribal, deities, brahmanic, adwaita, dwaita have come under an equal roof called 'Hinduism' !!!

So that is the reason you find so much difference in religious practices of South & North even though we follow the same Hinduism. But racially, both the north and South Indians ( or Aryan & Dravidian) belong to the same race. In particular the ANI and ASI genetics. Hope that helped.

One important factor to consider is,Shaivism, Naga worship and Shakti worship existed in Southern India in agamic or siddantha or folk versions which later interacted with the vedic and vedantic forms.

The end result of amalgamation of Dravidian and Aryan beliefs is:

Dravidians (includes a broad range, to be specific non Indo Europeans) Religion was influenced by Vedic religion. Only the method of worship changed but even Aryans adopted the Dravidian Gods.

In short mainstream Hinduism with a skewed generalization is worship of Dravidian Gods in an Aryan way.

So, Hinduism is predominantly Dravidian!

First of all ,Aryan is used to refer to indo-iranian speakers ,it might have become the noble one with the passage of time because they have dominated already existing north indian non-indo aryans and established themselves as superior.

If Hinduism was predominantly Dravidian you wouldn't see sanskrit dominating over other languages .like I said ,these indo-aryans appropriated local deities by creating stories around them and tieing them to their culture.

Even in last 150 years you can clearly see a shift like increased vegetarianism ,increased use of sanskrit in spoken telugu ,celebrating festivals that we never used to do etc,it was always an ongoing process but now it's being accelerated even quicker due to media.

Agamic,siddantha all these are literally sanskrit words ,we don't know if they existed in south india before as there were no records for it.

North and South Indians don't have same dna composition .

North Indians have good amount of steppe or aryan ancestry while most south indians have negligible steppe ancestry ,whatever little steppe that they have must have come from marrying into Brahmins .

Well it depends on the community but this is true for the dominating communities in both areasΒ 

This shift can be seen starting from gujarat.

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48 minutes ago, Teluguredu said:

First of all ,Aryan is used to refer to indo-iranian speakers ,it might have become the noble one with the passage of time because they have dominated already existing north indian non-indo aryans and established themselves as superior.

If Hinduism was predominantly Dravidian you wouldn't see sanskrit dominating over other languages .like I said ,these indo-aryans appropriated local deities by creating stories around them and tieing them to their culture.

Even in last 150 years you can clearly see a shift like increased vegetarianism ,increased use of sanskrit in spoken telugu ,celebrating festivals that we never used to do etc,it was always an ongoing process but now it's being accelerated even quicker due to media.

Agamic,siddantha all these are literally sanskrit words ,we don't know if they existed in south india before as there were no records for it.

North and South Indians don't have same dna composition .

North Indians have good amount of steppe or aryan ancestry while most south indians have negligible steppe ancestry ,whatever little steppe that they have must have come from marrying into Brahmins .

Well it depends on the community but this is true for the dominating communities in both areasΒ 

This shift can be seen starting from gujarat.

We can keep arguing on this topic for days, w/o being able to reach to a conclusion!

If you read my post again, u'll understand that with time, everything evolves including religious beliefs / practices & not everything would hv had an accurate representation, leave alone the biasness / interpretation in d very few sources of knowledge we're aware about.

Most reliable & earliest sources we've are from 'Sangam literature' (which is from, around 2000BC) which were composed by Tamilians & it had references of nature worship / ancestor worship / Murugan, Varuna, Indra as Gods, plus existence of two groups Shaiviks & Vaishnavites!

Parallely other religions such as Buddhism & Jainism had its own influence which denied the authority of Vedas! Varying philosophies started being preached as a different religion which weren't actually very different except a few which completely denied the existence of God & those were Buddhism & Jainism!

One philosophy took the lead - Vedanta. Later Hindu texts and scholars started glorifying Vedanta and tried to present the ideas in a coherent manner. Scholars like Sankara and Madhava (both South Indians) were able to combine all the philosophies and religions under the umbrella of Vedanta - thus combining all the non-Buddhist and non-Jain religions to one religion - modern Hinduism (the word Hinduism is given by Arabs/Persians who still call India as Hind and the those who used to inhabit here were called as Hindu)Β Β 

BOTTOMLINE: Though the methods followed were different .. but ppl from d southern part & northern part of India (erstwhile India that extended till Tajikistan & Afghanistan) hv been worshipping different forms of nature / animals / trees as Gods (simply for the reason that they were the means for their livelihood ) along with actual deities Shiva, Vishnu, Shakthi wid different names that they themselves attributed to these deities!

When Vedanta philosophy started being accepted widely & propagated .. the languages / practices / methods underwent some level of modification based on acceptance from masses & evolved in to what it is today!Β Β 

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