Karnudu

[kidmakers]

[quote name='Vikkas' timestamp='1326537300' post='1301304259']
arjunidini krishna ela influence chesado karna ni [color=#000000][font=sans-serif][size=3]Dronacharya influence chesadu kada???[/size][/font][/color]
[color=#000000][font=sans-serif][size=3]arjunudu chesindi thappu kanapudu karna chesindi ela avuthundi?[/size][/font][/color]
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Krishnudu influence lo dharmam undhi.. Dronacharyudu influence lo dharmam ledhu.

[mothi]

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baa.. filty language is not about karna . i said KARMA . thats a general way of saying about karma. but am if it did hurt.
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nenu sarigga chadava ledhu nuvu karna annavu anukunaa.....

[Vikkas]

[quote name='kidmakers' timestamp='1326537283' post='1301304257']
[b]ekalavya story lo the culprit is Drona[/b]. not Arjuna. Drona feared that his promise to make arjuna the greatest warrior of all the time will be broken if ekalavya exists. so Drona asked his thumb as Guru Dakshina. Arjuna has nothing to do with it.
[b]Duryodhana was killed by Bhima[/b]. Arjuna has nothing to do with it.
Kingdoms, wealth, women, food are shared by all five brothers. but not sins.
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who influence drona to that???
ekalavya ni choosi arjunudu guruvu gaaru meeru maata thapparu and some crad edo chepthadu kada.

duryodana was killed by bhima. who choosed bhima ? and y did he choose?

duryodanudi ni samudram lo nunchi bayatiki thisukochaka pandavalu offer chestharu kada. evari tho fight chesthavo choose chesuko ani. bhima ni choose chesukundi duryodanudu anthe kaani arjunudu edo jaalitho vadileyyaledhu

[kidmakers]

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nenu sarigga chadava ledhu nuvu karna annavu anukunaa.....
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ledhu baa.. i will not make such a mistake when talking about puranas.

[kidmakers]

[quote name='Vikkas' timestamp='1326537495' post='1301304282']
[b]who influence drona to that???[/b]
ekalavya ni choosi arjunudu guruvu gaaru meeru maata thapparu and some crad edo chepthadu kada.

duryodana was killed by bhima. who choosed bhima ? and y did he choose?

[b]duryodanudi ni samudram lo nunchi bayatiki thisukochaka pandavalu offer chestharu kada. evari tho fight chesthavo choose chesuko ani. bhima ni choose chesukundi duryodanudu anthe kaani arjunudu edo jaalitho vadileyyaledhu[/b]
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No body influenced Drona. Drona gave a promise to Bheeshma that one of these 105 pupils will the world's best archer. and seeing ekalavya, he feared his promise will be broken. Edo movie lo nen kuda chusa.. arjunudu velli adagatam. but thats not true as far as i read in Maha Bharatha. Arjuna was not even supposed to ask his Guru any question at that age and he never did.


avunu.. arjunudu jaali tho vadilesaadu ani evaru annaaru ippudu.. ?? what does it have to do with arjuna. ?

[Vikkas]

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No body influenced Drona. Drona gave a promise to Bheeshma that one of these 105 pupils will the world's best archer. and seeing ekalavya, he feared his promise will be broken. Edo movie lo nen kuda chusa.. [b]arjunudu velli adagatam. but thats not true as far as i read in Maha Bharatha[/b]. [b]Arjuna was not even supposed to ask his Guru any question at that age and he never did.[/b]


avunu.. arjunudu jaali tho vadilesaadu ani evaru annaaru ippudu.. ?? what does it have to do with arjuna. ?
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ledhu bhayya. thats true. arjundudu veta kosam adiviki vellinappudu eklavyudu kanapaduthadu. athani skills nachi follow ayithe akkada drona statue kanapaduthundi. thats how arjun thinks drona is the guruvu of eklavya and conveys the same to drona

arjunudu ki thala pogaru koncham ekkuva ani nuvvey seppav kada. bold chesina second sentence ki answer

[mothi]

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krishna being a god doesn't mean that whatever he says is right. Krishna always sticks to principles of dharma and preaches the same. i will give u a detailed look.. atleast i ll try

1. [b]karna killed abhimanyu in adharma way.[/b]

2. he deserves punishment.

3. [b]Arjuna is a king, and a king is supposed to punish the sinners.[/b]

4. What arjuna did to karna is no way against the principles of dharma. The law of dharma says that a sinner should be punished and it doesn't matter how a king punishes the sinner (Rama killing Vaali for example)

5. So, arjuna has all rights to kill karna in such a way.


Finally, Krishna being a god doesn't mean that he did everything at his will. he followed each and every principle of dharma through out the war. The principles of dharma yudhdham were broken when abhimanyu was killed, later on day 16.. (precisely, the night of 16th).. when three of Kaurava warriors killed all of the padava's army during the night when they were sleeping. After that it was declared as War at Will and everything is right.
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niku thelvadhu anukuntaa karna is a king too..... Same point applies for karna as well.....

1st point is totally wrong... He promised that he will never kill any of the pandavas except arjun..... As far abhimanyu is concerned he shot his arrows to his chariot to destroy that.... but then the others who killed abhimanyu......

inko war at will anaavu kadhaa..... one day karna actually shot so many arrows that at one point those are supposed to go through arjun but krishna being the god em chesaadu antey kaali tho bhumi ni nokaadu dani bhumi uneven gaa avadam tho aa arrows arjun ki thaakaledhu..... otherwise, the story would have been different... daani taruvaatha one day a karna 's arrows made arjun weaponless. since the day is getting ended.... but he abiding by code he did not tried any attempts

[kidmakers]

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ledhu bhayya. thats true. arjundudu veta kosam adiviki vellinappudu eklavyudu kanapaduthadu. athani skills nachi follow ayithe akkada drona statue kanapaduthundi. thats how arjun thinks drona is the guruvu of eklavya and conveys the same to drona

arjunudu ki thala pogaru koncham ekkuva ani nuvvey seppav kada. bold chesina second sentence ki answer
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yah.. he does convey the matter. But not that he argued with drona to take the thumb of ekalavya. He asks drona to train him as a better archer than ekalavya. But, Drona was not able to train him. So, he chose the other way. There is no fault in arjuna going and asking drona to teach him better than what he is at that time.

[Vikkas]

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yah.. he does convey the matter. [b]But not that he argued with drona to take the thumb of ekalavya[/b].[b] He asks drona to train him as a better archer than ekalavya. But, Drona was not able to train him. So, he chose the other way. There is no fault in arjuna going and asking drona to teach him better than what he is at that time.[/b]
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to say, bhayya nuvvvu chaala kalpithalu septhunnavu.
arjun head weight ekkuva. eklavya ni soodakamundu arjuna training last stage lo untadi. he him self announces he is the best in the world. kaani adiviki velli eklavya ni chooska vaadi igo hurting.
drona ni mata thappavu and so and so antadu. at that time drona was left with only option.

[mothi]

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to say, bhayya nuvvvu chaala kalpithalu septhunnavu.
arjun head weight ekkuva. eklavya ni soodakamundu arjuna training last stage lo untadi. he him self announces he is the best in the world. kaani adiviki velli eklavya ni chooska vaadi igo hurting.
drona ni mata thappavu and so and so antadu. at that time drona was left with only option.
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nuvvu correstey bhayyo I think so.......

[kidmakers]

[quote name='mothi' timestamp='1326537908' post='1301304327']

niku thelvadhu anukuntaa karna is a king too..... Same point applies for karna as well.....

1st point is totally wrong... He promised that he will never kill any of the pandavas except arjun..... As far abhimanyu is concerned he shot his arrows to his chariot to destroy that.... but then the others who killed abhimanyu......

inko war at will anaavu kadhaa..... one day karna actually shot so many arrows that at one point those are supposed to go through arjun but krishna being the god em chesaadu antey kaali tho bhumi ni nokaadu dani bhumi uneven gaa avadam tho aa arrows arjun ki thaakaledhu..... otherwise, the story would have been different
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baa. neeku artham kavatledhu. neeku dharma yudhdham rules cheptha chudu



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[*]Fighting must begin no earlier than sunrise and end exactly at sunset.
[*][b]Multiple warriors may not attack a single warrior.[/b]
[*][b]Two warriors may "duel", or engage in prolonged personal combat, only if they carry the same weapons and they are on the same mount (no mount, a horse, an elephant, or a chariot).[/b]
[*]No warrior may kill or injure a warrior who has surrendered.
[*]One who surrenders becomes a prisoner of war and will then be subject to the protections of a prisoner of war.
[*][b]No warrior may kill or injure an unarmed warrior.[/b]
[*]No warrior may kill or injure an unconscious warrior.
[*]No warrior may kill or injure a person or animal not taking part in the war.
[*]No warrior may kill or injure a warrior whose back is turned away.
[*]No warrior may attack a woman.
[*]No warrior may strike an animal not considered a direct threat.
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all the above three points in bold were violated by karna, which is totally against the principles of dharma yudhdham. So, he deserves punishment. you are telling that karna broke only the chariot. But, that's not true. Abhimanyu ni aapataaniki every warrior in chakra vyuhya had to use their weapons. or else he cannot be stopped. and chariot break chesaadu antunnaav chudu. that is not according to the rules of dharma yudhdha. when Abhimanyu is fighting with some other warrior, Karna cannot interfere in that way, which he did. Thats a sin again.


After the 16th night, when War at Will is declared, these points do not come into effect. So, Arjuna has all rights to kill karna in that way. there is nothing wrong in that. Krishna saving arjuna in that case is not mentioned in any book i ve ever read. It's only because of one of karna's banes that naagastram will miss its aim.

[CORLEONE]

My fav character in Mahabharat after Sri Krishna !

[kidmakers]

[quote name='Vikkas' timestamp='1326538173' post='1301304366']
to say, bhayya nuvvvu chaala kalpithalu septhunnavu.
arjun head weight ekkuva. eklavya ni soodakamundu arjuna training last stage lo untadi. he him self announces he is the best in the world. kaani adiviki velli eklavya ni chooska vaadi igo hurting.
drona ni mata thappavu and so and so antadu. at that time drona was left with only option.
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yes.. arjuna head weight ekkuva. that will be explained by yudhishtara to bheema on their way to swarga when arjuna collapses. Drona ni maata thappaavu ani arjunudu adigaadu ani nuvvu yedaina book lo chadivaava baa.. ?? i havent read in any. but if u have really read in any book, then i am mistaken. i will take my words back.

[Vikkas]

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yes.. arjuna head weight ekkuva. that will be explained by yudhishtara to bheema on their way to swarga when arjuna collapses. Drona ni maata thappaavu ani arjunudu adigaadu ani nuvvu yedaina book lo chadivaava baa.. ?? i havent read in any. but if u have really read in any book, then i am mistaken. i will take my words back.
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yes bhayya sadiva. andukey antha confident gaa septhunna.
between naaku pouranika cinemalu choosey alavatu ledhu. nenu ippudu argue chesthunna points films nunchi choosinavi kaavu.

[kidmakers]

@Vikkas bhayya

are you telling that Arjuna forced Drona to ask ekalavya his thumb as guru dakshina ?

If that was your argument, i will get back to you in a day or two after referring the book.

If you say no for that, i dont think that there is unrighteousness on part of arjuna to ask his guru to fulfill his promise.