Why bring religion to workplace

[batman]

9 minutes ago, VizagRocks said:

If only RW showed the kind of enthusiasm about Guj's governance before 2014, the way they show for TN now. Alas.

Atleast americans have the honesty to accept that Trump's ascension is purely on racial bigotry. Indians couched it as 'development'.

modi did an excellent job in guj development. thats y people voted for him to be pm. however india is much bigger challenge .my own brother worked in guj for 10 years and he gives a big thumbs up for modi

[tokkale]

10 minutes ago, VizagRocks said:

this is the 21st century. dalits have right to piss off other communities, the way Hindu right does. They do a good job in bringing out the inner casteist in every self proclaimed 'not interested in caste' Hindu.

These phonies have to be exposed for what they are. It includes even some OBC castes.

discourse in many states is dominated by OBCs ...esp in TN.....

pissing off upper castes while however cool it may sound...will not solve the actual problems.....more than dalits its people like you with "indian version of white guilt" who appropriate their agenda....and do a pathetic job even at that.....dalits should first make best use of reservations and state should clean up primary education ....economic growth will only give them the voice needed to fight for political representation.....

all this rhetoric of pissing off upper castes will take them no where...it will make the ruling class even more defensive...all the leftists have done that since independence...again the irony there is the left if filled with upper caste fools who just hate hinduism and want to suck up to west....no love lost there for dalits.....

leave dalits alone and let them fight it out.....gov cant ignore them.....

this romanticizing of "pissing off others" ...while it may be orgasmic to the likes of you...is not a practical solution...

Edited July 17, 2016 by tokkale

[batman]

again you are painting every1 with the same brush. all bjp voters are lunatic bigots.but then dont blame all muslims for some incidents. hypocrisy at its best.stands exposed.

[VizagRocks]

4 minutes ago, tokkale said:

again you are extrapolating some random people's nonsense as the official line of RSS on some crimes ...that happen in every part of India....

point me to the policies adopted by BJP with RSS's blessings in the last 2 years which are outright communal or anti-dalit ....substantiate your argument..

and to your point that periyar gang is not in power...well is DMK cadre not strong in TN even when they are in opposition ...are the atrocities committed on upper castes esp Brahmins in small towns (random priests) not true.....periyar's hate filled idea is still in power in TN....

surely TN's economic model is not sustainable....let them give up TASMAC and support the exchequer ....average TN people's hate for rest of India is also amusing.....

this random guy got himself photographed with the high priest of RW, Subbu Swamy, after the nonsense he tried to pull. Not so random, I think.

atrocities on Brahmins? haha.. where did you get that, from which twitter handle? the max. atrocity they would have suffered is cutting of their 'sacred' thread, and some comments on their women. whereas dalits are regularly killed for standing up to higher castes. Okay brahmins don't kill them. Also periyar gang is not DMK now.

the gang that tried to victimize dalits following that murder were not just the brahmins, it was also the OBC groups in TN that hate dalits. Now you come and equate a group that is killing, and a group that is getting killed, and call it an argument.

Why should TN do anything to prove anything? I am extremely confident about TN's economic future. Especially after my visit to Hyd and Bangalore last year. I asked if you are willing to bet that TN will go the west bengal way in a couple decades.

RSS called for review on reservation policy. Just because some decent liberals raised a hue and cry about it, BJP was forced to issue statement that it rejected it. so you see, liberals have their uses, even if they mostly talk nonsense.

[tokkale]

and your obsession about how Modi was elected....is amusing...dont bother with that...at least with me....criticizing PM/Gov of the day is all fine....

only 31% voted for him there are other 69% and do you think it bothers RW/me what you think about modi.....

I think he will win 2019 easily...if that is what you want to hear me say....

[VizagRocks]

13 minutes ago, tokkale said:

other states will catch up with industrial growth....only a matter of time...as I said south had better education and employment numbers even before independence....

tax devolution argument while much needed ...is not viable in a federal structure.....lot of moving pieces to consider....and no answer to every such question is not secession as some idiots in TN bat for.....

at this point in time, TN has had these policies you talk of for decades now, and has still managed to be in the reckoning.

Raw numbers of FDI are very telling. Even bangalore is behind Chennai in attracting FDI. Hyderabad is not even at 50%. ofcourse this includes the entire state's FDI, and Hyd includes both TG/AP.

I don't know what you are talking of.

[tokkale]

TN may not slide into economic downtrend ...I said other states will catch up with out much of the nonsense TN passes off as cool stuff....

the point of discussion started with the oft repeated line by TN fellows that how hindi belt is less developed but still get better share of central funds from tax devolution....

review on reservation policy is much needed esp for OBCs...case in point TN.....OBCs are most pampered entitled section in TN..who commit most of the atrocities ...

let the mandal commission be reviewed without touching the original SC/ST reservations as per constitution....whats the harm in that

[VizagRocks]

9 minutes ago, tokkale said:

discourse in many states is dominated by OBCs ...esp in TN.....

pissing off upper castes while however cool it may sound...will not solve the actual problems.....more than dalits its people like you with "indian version of white guilt" who appropriate their agenda....and do a pathetic job even at that.....dalits should first make best use of reservations and state should clean up primary education ....economic growth will only give them the voice needed to fight for political representation.....

all this rhetoric of pissing off upper castes will take them no where...it will make the ruling class even more defensive...all the leftists have done that since independence...again the irony there is the left if filled with upper caste fools who just hate hinduism and want to suck up to west....no love lost there for dalits.....

leave dalits alone and let them fight it out.....gov cant ignore them.....

this romanticizing of "pissing off others" ...while it may be orgasmic to the likes of you...is not a practical solution...

so your logic is, pissing off muslims may work, because upper castes are in power. But don't dare piss Upper castes off. It won't work.

again, its all just empty words. dalits don't have any real power to piss others off. If you think upper castes will get defensive about powerless people, voicing their opinion, it looks like RW has no clue on how to solve this problem.

They just want to drag it on and on, and let as many dalits die on the way, and the problem solve itself. May be that's their idea.

Can't BJP (being the self professed hindu party) include in its syllabus about why reservations are required, and how its dalits rights, and not concession by other Indians? It is so easy to get dalit's support. small things like this will add tremendous goodwill.

 

[tokkale]

dalits have been killed in the past too...did it start with 2014 elections....

RSS is a non entity in TN ...how do you intend to pin the atrocities on dalits in TN on RSS/BJP is beyond me....if anything its the beneficiaries of the periyar movement the OBCs who do it ...taking a cue from the dravidian/periyar discourse which is brazenly anti-dalit...periyar himself was anti-dalit

[batman]

13 minutes ago, tokkale said:

and your obsession about how Modi was elected....is amusing...dont bother with that...at least with me....criticizing PM/Gov of the day is all fine....

only 31% voted for him there are other 69% and do you think it bothers RW/me what you think about modi.....

I think he will win 2019 easily...if that is what you want to hear me say....

only 31%?? thats massive in a country as diverse as india with hundreds of parties. its actually 39% NDA vote. no proof how much of the  remaining 61% didn't want modi. there will be several factors like local candidate etc 

PS. most powerful person in the world USA president get only 51% vote where 2 parties fight.

ofcourse modi will win 2019 though maynot be easily

[VizagRocks]

4 minutes ago, tokkale said:

TN may not slide into economic downtrend ...I said other states will catch up with out much of the nonsense TN passes off as cool stuff....

the point of discussion started with the oft repeated line by TN fellows that how hindi belt is less developed but still get better share of central funds from tax devolution....

review on reservation policy is much needed esp for OBCs...case in point TN.....OBCs are most pampered entitled section in TN..who commit most of the atrocities ...

let the mandal commission be reviewed without touching the original SC/ST reservations as per constitution....whats the harm in that

TN will find other stuff to pass off as cool. We've always been ahead of the curve. don't worry.

There's no harm in reviewing reservation policy. In fact, they might be forced to review it in TN. But let us hear someone from BJP/RSS speak sense on reservation, and not go back to talking about poor brahmins.

if its done by an apolitical organization or govt department, it is perfectly welcome.

[VizagRocks]

4 minutes ago, tokkale said:

dalits have been killed in the past too...did it start with 2014 elections....

RSS is a non entity in TN ...how do you intend to pin the atrocities on dalits in TN on RSS/BJP is beyond me....

That you chose to attack me on things I didn't even say is what is beyond me.

[batman]

19 minutes ago, VizagRocks said:

this random guy got himself photographed with the high priest of RW, Subbu Swamy, after the nonsense he tried to pull. Not so random, I think.

atrocities on Brahmins? haha.. where did you get that, from which twitter handle? the max. atrocity they would have suffered is cutting of their 'sacred' thread, and some comments on their women. whereas dalits are regularly killed for standing up to higher castes. Okay brahmins don't kill them. Also periyar gang is not DMK now.

the gang that tried to victimize dalits following that murder were not just the brahmins, it was also the OBC groups in TN that hate dalits. Now you come and equate a group that is killing, and a group that is getting killed, and call it an argument.

Why should TN do anything to prove anything? I am extremely confident about TN's economic future. Especially after my visit to Hyd and Bangalore last year. I asked if you are willing to bet that TN will go the west bengal way in a couple decades.

RSS called for review on reservation policy. Just because some decent liberals raised a hue and cry about it, BJP was forced to issue statement that it rejected it. so you see, liberals have their uses, even if they mostly talk nonsense.

lol ur posts now reek of sharp hate for brahmins and obc some thing you said was uncalled for towards muslims a few posts ago.

[tokkale]

1 hour ago, VizagRocks said:

so there is no actual job growth in TN, you saying?

TN follows the same neoliberal policies that rest of India does (giving away land for peanuts for industries, tax exemptions, etc), but it compensates by giving away stuff to people, and generally running a decent govt. Can you say the same about your 'Northern' states?

plenty of things TN can do better. like open defacation, but calling HDI projections as idiotic is laughable. TN does have a higher quality of life than the north, which is why northies come to TN for work, and why TN don't go there to work.

 

People on the ground know what? BS. What happened to the chennai girl who was murdered, and bunch of RW lunatics, and brahmin casteists had a field day running their own agendas? RSS is a problem, compared to the general decency of indian people. bringing up ISIS everytime someone criticises RSS shows RW has no better ideas.

this along with your insinuation that the random guy had swamy's and in turn RSS's blessings..is where I am coming from....

asking a question is not attacking.....hey we are in the "pissing off game" right...then why whine now...

[VizagRocks]

9 minutes ago, tokkale said:

TN may not slide into economic downtrend ...I said other states will catch up with out much of the nonsense TN passes off as cool stuff....

the point of discussion started with the oft repeated line by TN fellows that how hindi belt is less developed but still get better share of central funds from tax devolution....

review on reservation policy is much needed esp for OBCs...case in point TN.....OBCs are most pampered entitled section in TN..who commit most of the atrocities ...

let the mandal commission be reviewed without touching the original SC/ST reservations as per constitution....whats the harm in that

FYI, I have no problem with northern states getting higher share of central funds. Neither do the guys on twitter you think I am copying from. The bigger concern is political autonomy.

BJP has pissed on federalism by accepting the 14th finance commission (not entirely BJP's fault), and by backing GST (which it opposed earlier, rightly).

The concern is, Indian economy will get more and more centralized, and obviously this will affect TN. And the Tamil haters will come crawling out of the woodworks to brag that they've been right. This is what we fear.