Why bring religion to workplace

[tokkale]

10 minutes ago, VizagRocks said:

looking to see if anyone can come up with a rational justification, for what they believe in.

even the brightest right wingers seem to be morons, especially when they side with the establishment.

like how BJP invokes Vadra/Gandhi even after 2yrs in office. I think its pathological. the victim mongering runs deeper than anyone's anticipated.

why should "rational justification" or any kind of justification needed in politics (geo-politics more so).....it is a war and should be fought accordingly....

thats the problem with social science commentators ..i think people with deeper understanding of human nature like psychology students are better at analyzing the complex issues of religion/geo-politics/nationalism etc....humanities people want to reduce everything to  morals/preaching good and such other BS (that too only when it suits their agenda) which the religious zealots also do but in a crude way.....

people will never stop fighting....reasons will change....RW should continue to be as brazen as they are now...no point in trying to please everybody.....its a zero sum game...

[batman]

pak in 1947 15% minority now 1%

bangladesh 1971 31 % minority now 7%

kashmir 1990 5 lakh minorities now negligible (they now even oppose temp land for amaranth yatris lol)

India 1947 10% minorities now 20 %

i am sure the people in oak,bl,kashmir are super cool

[VizagRocks]

Just now, batman said:

No, once again you are glossing over the truth. there is a difference. in USA or india if you openly discriminate religious minorities, general public media and society will not allow and protest(most cases).

Same can't be said of muslims when they r majority. they either indulge or remain mute spectator. ex- pak, bangladesh, kashmir etc

I don't think its about fighting for religions, its about acknowledging truth without wearing a mask of liberal even at the cost of being labelled bigot, low life hindu, modi supporter etc

The truth is acknowledged.

so, now tell me how invoking how muslim countries behave, to stereotype muslims you see/know in non muslim countries, is going to change how muslim countries behave. (so many hows)

One can be called a bigot, if he/she tries to justify discrimination in a western country, based on what he/she thinks prevails in a muslim country, just out of spite. I think its a fair description.

I think a pact would be better. Let liberals take care of their dogs (muslim fanatics), while you take care of yours (RSS/BJP fanatics).

[tokkale]

let liberals and moderate muslims handle a decent debate with the likes of Tarek Fateh/Ayan hisri ali/Majid Nawaz ...

Hindus should just concentrate on RTE/temple control first.....

and just like all the liberal bleeding hearts ...even here people confuse criticism of islam with labeling of all Muslims....while the latter needs to be avoided the former is much needed...

[VizagRocks]

6 minutes ago, tokkale said:

why should "rational justification" or any kind of justification needed in politics (geo-politics more so).....it is a war and should be fought accordingly....

thats the problem with social science commentators ..i think people with deeper understanding of human nature like psychology students are better at analyzing the complex issues of religion/geo-politics/nationalism etc....humanities people want to reduce everything to  morals/preaching good and such other BS (that too only when it suits their agenda) which the religious zealots also do but in a crude way.....

people will never stop fighting....reasons will change....RW should continue to be as brazen as they are now...no point in trying to please everybody.....its a zero sum game...

geo-politics is between nations, right? Or organizing a riot to kill home grown muslims is also geo-politics according to you?

RW can be brazen only to the extent leftists allow them to be. liberals are too busy cozying up to people in power. Once they get in touch with the masses, RW cannot handle the blowback. religion won't even be an issue.

right now RW is extremely popular though, I agree. But their policies are all stupid. Like spouting chapters from evolutionary biology book and treating them as gospel. People vote for RW because they hate muslim pandering, etc. But things will change once RW gets into power for a while, and people see how shallow they actually are.

[batman]

you want rational justification? i gave you cold statistics...(my earlier post)

the right wing lunatics in india is surely a problem that needs to be dealt with, however i wouldn't gloss over by comparing them with islamic lunatics like the liberals do.

dhaka attack ppl were butchered for not reciting islamic kalma, i don't think there would be a day when RW lunatics will fire with ak 47 at people for failing to recite hanuman chalisa.

 

[VizagRocks]

14 minutes ago, tokkale said:

why should "rational justification" or any kind of justification needed in politics (geo-politics more so).....it is a war and should be fought accordingly....

thats the problem with social science commentators ..i think people with deeper understanding of human nature like psychology students are better at analyzing the complex issues of religion/geo-politics/nationalism etc....humanities people want to reduce everything to  morals/preaching good and such other BS (that too only when it suits their agenda) which the religious zealots also do but in a crude way.....

people will never stop fighting....reasons will change....RW should continue to be as brazen as they are now...no point in trying to please everybody.....its a zero sum game...

dude, the high priest of RW, Subbu Swamy actually wants to do away with income tax. This is the kind of morons that RW houses.

[tokkale]

12 minutes ago, VizagRocks said:

geo-politics is between nations, right? Or organizing a riot to kill home grown muslims is also geo-politics according to you?

RW can be brazen only to the extent leftists allow them to be. liberals are too busy cozying up to people in power. Once they get in touch with the masses, RW cannot handle the blowback. religion won't even be an issue.

right now RW is extremely popular though, I agree. But their policies are all stupid. Like spouting chapters from evolutionary biology book and treating them as gospel. People vote for RW because they hate muslim pandering, etc. But things will change once RW gets into power for a while, and people see how shallow they actually are.

it is between nations and what forms the nature of the policies of that geo-political discourse its the domestic politics and the RW/LW narrative .....Ex: india's position vis a vis palestine-isreal.....

"organizing a riot to kill home grown muslims"

this happens on both sides....that liberals take the side of muslims is what pisses off RW and majority of the general public...

cycle of power change between RW/LW will happen for sure...but for the foreseeable future its RW that will dominate the world stage....Le penn/trump only the start....canada will also realize what a dumb appeaser Trudue is ....

the reactions of left liberals on Brexit is a prime example of how "bigoted" their views are (that they insist that their bigotry is more pristine than RW's is amusing)

[VizagRocks]

5 minutes ago, tokkale said:

let liberals and moderate muslims handle a decent debate with the likes of Tarek Fateh/Ayan hisri ali/Majid Nawaz ...

Hindus should just concentrate on RTE/temple control first.....

and just like all the liberal bleeding hearts ...even here people confuse criticism of islam with labeling of all Muslims....while the latter needs to be avoided the former is much needed...

RTE I agree. Absolutely necessary for hindus to fight this atrocious anti Hindu law.

temple control, hmmm.. not so much. may be for a while, just to see if untouchability makes a comeback into temple politics. I don't see a very huge problem with govt. handling of temples. I've been to every temple in TN/Karnataka. They are not shabbier than the busstands, atleast.

I also agree that Hindus should concentrate on Hindus, and stop bothering about muslims.

[VizagRocks]

2 minutes ago, tokkale said:

it is between nations and what forms the nature of the policies of that geo-political discourse its the domestic politics and the RW/LW narrative .....Ex: india's position vis a vis palestine-isreal.....

this happens on both sides....that liberals take the side of muslims is what pisses off RW and majority of the general public...

cycle of power change between RW/LW will happen for sure...but for the foreseeable future its RW that will dominate the world stage....Le penn/trump only the start....canada will also realize what a dumb appeaser Trudue is ....

Trudeau is getting such good press from the canadian and international outlets, that almost nobody notices the deep resentment of regular people in Canada with his policies. Pretty sure, he won't get a second term.

Liberals are annoying, man. But RWs are dangerous. Not just their religious policies, even the economic policies are scary.

thankfully Candian RW is the greatest of all RWs out there. We'll still be taxed at 50% whatever the cycle of change is. Unlike the dumbfcuk Raegan/Thatcher who absolutely destroyed their country's middle class.

 

[batman]

14 minutes ago, VizagRocks said:

The truth is acknowledged.

so, now tell me how invoking how muslim countries behave, to stereotype muslims you see/know in non muslim countries, is going to change how muslim countries behave. (so many hows)

One can be called a bigot, if he/she tries to justify discrimination in a western country, based on what he/she thinks prevails in a muslim country, just out of spite. I think its a fair description.

I think a pact would be better. Let liberals take care of their dogs (muslim fanatics), while you take care of yours (RSS/BJP fanatics).

the answer to your hows....

enlighten ignorant people about this salafi version of islam and not fall prey ( showing extreme religiosity is a manifestation of this salafi islam). this for both muslims and non muslims. kerala incident is the best case point of such ignorant people.

how kashmir youth got radicalized? its spreading all over india now. this needs to be brought out and not brushed under the carpet

 

[VizagRocks]

Jeremy Corbyn/Bernie Sanders are the way to go.

 

[VizagRocks]

1 minute ago, batman said:

the answer to your hows....

enlighten ignorant people about this salafi version of islam and not fall prey ( showing extreme religiosity is a manifestation of this salafi islam). this for both muslims and non muslims. kerala incident is the best case point of such ignorant people.

how kashmir youth got radicalized? its spreading all over india now. this needs to be brought out and not brushed under the carpet

 

No one will listen to you, if you abuse them.

do you think anyone cares about the anti upper caste nonsense I post here, even though most of what I say is true? I do it anyway because I deeply detest these tendencies.

Its alright if you just want to mock them and all in a forum, makes for a lively conversation. but won't work as a policy.

It'll just divide the country further, and although our RWs want you to believe that, "with us, or against us" is good politics, it is not. It is deeply regressive.

Okay liberals have not achieved shyte. Has BJP solved the Kashmir issue, or the Ayodhya temple issue, or any issue worthy of note, with its muscular politics?

 

 

[tokkale]

doing away with income tax in India is a debatable subject....cant be thrown out of the window outright.....

S Gurumurthy and bibek debroy on Right have more viable economic options for Indian scenario....its because they are Hindu in their outlook the media and left tries to project them as villains...this blind hate of everything related to Hindu/RSS/BJP will only help the cause of RW....

2019 will again have many first time voters...how do you think they will vote...with all the information available now over the SM ....this demonizing on RSS/Hinduism will not work anymore....

and the ridiculous comparison of ISIS and RSS which some liberals try in vain is so pathetic....

India is still evolving...70 years of independence for a complex country like india is not enough to become close to perfect.....add to that the 1962 war bangladesh war constant trouble with the bordering countries...socialist econimic policies till 1991....and the deep hatred and mistrust between hindus and muslims since the partition ....caste problems ....its a complex country 

[tokkale]

and the stereotyping of successful people in India as vile and entitled lot is also deplorable....the left has been doing it since decades...

youth now is more aspirational ...and to dub development as a non-inclusive model will not help any one....first the money has to come in....

no one in India will want to pack their bags and go to a town in Kerala and settle their just because of the excellent HDI values.....

TN is another example ...all the grade inflation in education only leads to more unemployed youth....and yes better HDI values on paper to feel good about...with a huge debt on the state exchequer......