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[batman]

india needs to be culturally right economically mixed

[tokkale]

11 minutes ago, VizagRocks said:

tokkale,

I think right wing politics works better at state level in India. dravidian politics, TG movement, are all examples of right wing politics in India.

I don't understand why we have to be stuck with the term 'Hindu', to define our politics.

I won't say that dravidian is inclusive of dalits, but I remember being extremely proud of my state when I noticed from afar that at the height of 2005-06 anti reservation battle that was raging all across India, TN was the only state that supported it.

ya TN supported it by accommodating almost 80% of the population with reservations...only brahmins vasyas and some other UC dont have reservations...

read up on multi year communal roster and how it is implemented in TN esp in medical colleges...

TN is OBC dominated state and they have pampered them to no end and have achieved the stability now....debt wise TN is in a critical position now...manageable but i dont see how it is sustainable...Kerala is a gone case....you guys try to put down Gujrat model....but real research and media glare is needed on kerala and how miserable law and order and industry/econimic situation is in that state...this year because the gulf remittences have reduced they are finding it hard to come up with new avenues of revenue... .

for me economic and cultural/dharmic fights both are imp and are not necessarily at odds with each other...

[VizagRocks]

4 minutes ago, tokkale said:

hmm..i dont see how cultural right (BJP in this case) and econimic right wont gel in Indian context....point me to the nehru era policies which are in line with the RW policies you mentioned and also (if there are any such policies at all) how successfully the left/congress implemented them in 65 years of their rule...

economic battles will take some time as i said because of the mess we are in....we are a poor country and expecting it to change over night is asking for too much...

and for me the dharmic battle is also as important as the economic one ..India is the only Hindu majority country and I would want it to be like that....

do you seriously believe if the demographics of india are changed where Hindus lose majority India will be stable....but from what I can tell you are not for india's sovereignty ..so for you it may not be a pblm...but now for many hindus of our generation it is an issue which you cannot brush off terming it as bigotry and  polarization....that is what the left has been doing for may years and have clearly led up to this pent up anger among hindus on the cultural front...

I'm familiar with Netherlands, and Finland political parties. The right wing parties there are very close to capturing power through coalition. Their agenda is simple - We take care of our people. They don't really care about 'free trade' or low taxes. In fact both these right wing parties call for end to taxing dividends/capital gains at lower rates than normal incomes, and for mortgage deduction to stop. How is this in tune with economic right, that is modeled after the US?

BJP, itself is not a cultural right party. My problem is that they are trying too hard to be one. They are a centrist party, like the Republican party or Tories in the UK. They want their 'votebanks' to benefit from free trade, and low taxes.

To be a cultural right party, you have to bring along everyone who you think belongs to your 'culture'. Tell me how BJP is going to do it. If you say that BJP can do it after achieving economic success, why rush it now?

I'm aware of what left has done in India. I'm also aware of what right has done. Lets be honest. Leftist politics was originally a reaction to rightist politics. And for a poor country like India, right wing parties first must decide what they want to do. Do they want to be an economic powerhouse, or a culturally closer? There's no way to do both.

I would like you to explain how both can be achieved, if you think it can be.

[VizagRocks]

3 minutes ago, tokkale said:

ya TN supported it by accommodating almost 80% of the population with reservations...only brahmins vasyas and some other UC dont have reservations...

read up on multi year communal roster and how it is implemented in TN esp in medical colleges...

TN is OBC dominated state and they have pampered them to no end and have achieved the stability now....debt wise TN is in a critical position now...manageable but i dont see how it is sustainable...Kerala is a gone case....you guys try to put down Gujrat model....but real research and media glare is needed on kerala and how miserable law and order and industry/econimic situation is in that state...this year because the gulf remittences have reduced they are finding it hard to come up with new avenues of revenue... .

for me economic and cultural/dharmic fights both are imp and are not necessarily at odds with each other...

TN is an example of what happens in right wing politics. I know you guys don't even consider TN people as Hindus, but they are. And their politics is not left wing.

economic right is definitely at odds with cultural right. I've already given the reasons why. BJP should decide which one it wants to be.

[nanda_jaffa]

4 hours ago, VizagRocks said:

adhey ikkada ninnu kaduguthunna. kampu bharinchaleka unna.

Ite poyi mi malapalli lo paduko .........

[VizagRocks]

If you want to fight leftist politics in India, the only way to do so is to adopt cultural right stances, like European parties.

Its easier to do it at state level in India. Cannot work at the central level (TN-Kar fight for kaveri is one example where it fails).

At the central level, India must work at good political mechanism to share power, and mobilize trade amongst ourselves. GST is not the right idea. I'm surprised why no one in India has talked of HST. Some canadian provinces adopt it, and avoid GST.

Fighting leftist ideas with economic right ideas like free trade, will further fuel growth of leftism in India. Because of the people it leaves behind.

[VizagRocks]

2 minutes ago, nanda_jaffa said:

Ite poyi mi malapalli lo paduko .........

adhi ela ra. anni comments pedthey, correct ga vethiki patti counter isthunnaru. awesome ra.

[yomama]

Just now, VizagRocks said:

adhi ela ra. anni comments pedthey, correct ga vethiki patti counter isthunnaru. awesome ra.

publicity prostituteee

[tokkale]

4 minutes ago, VizagRocks said:

I'm familiar with Netherlands, and Finland political parties. The right wing parties there are very close to capturing power through coalition. Their agenda is simple - We take care of our people. They don't really care about 'free trade' or low taxes. In fact both these right wing parties call for end to taxing dividends/capital gains at lower rates than normal incomes, and for mortgage deduction to stop. How is this in tune with economic right, that is modeled after the US?

BJP, itself is not a cultural right party. My problem is that they are trying too hard to be one. They are a centrist party, like the Republican party or Tories in the UK. They want their 'votebanks' to benefit from free trade, and low taxes.

To be a cultural right party, you have to bring along everyone who you think belongs to your 'culture'. Tell me how BJP is going to do it. If you say that BJP can do it after achieving economic success, why rush it now?

I'm aware of what left has done in India. I'm also aware of what right has done. Lets be honest. Leftist politics was originally a reaction to rightist politics. And for a poor country like India, right wing parties first must decide what they want to do. Do they want to be an economic powerhouse, or a culturally closer? There's no way to do both.

I would like you to explain how both can be achieved, if you think it can be.

ok...tell me one policy or one move that the BJP govt took that tries to alienate dalits or other sections of hindu society...if you go by what ever you read in news papers and articals/op eds in NYT/WaPo and have concluded that BJP had declared a war on dalits in the garb of beef/cow then you are wrong and it is being blown out of proportion ..and it is clearly politics...tell me which party in their right minds will do such things to tarnish their already bad image on such issues...

do you think lakhs of people in BJP primary membership drive and the general membership of RSS is comprised of all UC privileged hindus and dalits have abandoned BJP....

economic growth is on right track as far as i can tell...GST is a good thing i believe ...  in a diverse country like india and where states generally dont settle issues amicably ..centralized policies on some fronts is a good thing....macro economics are strong now...it will have to benefit the lowest denominator now...and cultural battles ...when i say this..i dont mean to wipe off all the minorities and claim india for hindus...i mean a situation where hindus are also left alone by the state to manage their educational/cultural insts temples and where hindus no longer feel that minorities are being pampered...and hindus being made to give up their cultural heritage to accomodate the...see what happened in WB...the hight court had to intervene to let the Durga pooja immersion be held on the same day ad muharram...mamata govt banned durga immersion to placate muslims who wanted to celebrate muharram ....these kinda things will not help minorities and will increase the animosity....yes..this is the best ex..on the topic ..there are many such things i can point out....now tell me one such thing that any BJP govt in any state or the union govt did to alienate dalits or minorities...dont say beef issues...i will have to stop this discussion at that..if your line of argument is that BJP is anti-dalit because rohit vemula committed suicide and some lunatics killed aklaq in UP over some cow theft...

[VizagRocks]

4 minutes ago, yomama said:

publicity prostituteee

go think of a better title for your next poll on me.

[mastercheif]

Just now, tokkale said:

ok...tell me one policy or one move that the BJP govt took that tries to alienate dalits or other sections of hindu society...if you go by what ever you read in news papers and articals/op eds in NYT/WaPo and have concluded that BJP had declared a war on dalits in the garb of beef/cow then you are wrong and it is being blown out of proportion ..and it is clearly politics...tell me which party in their right minds will do such things to tarnish their already bad image on such issues...

do you think lakhs of people in BJP primary membership drive and the general membership of RSS is comprised of all UC privileged hindus and dalits have abandoned BJP....

economic growth is on right track as far as i can tell...GST is a good thing i believe ...  in a diverse country like india and where states generally dont settle issues amicably ..centralized policies on some fronts is a good thing....macro economics are strong now...it will have to benefit the lowest denominator now...and cultural battles ...when i say this..i dont mean to wipe off all the minorities and claim india for hindus...i mean a situation where hindus are also left alone by the state to manage their educational/cultural insts temples and where hindus no longer feel that minorities are being pampered...and hindus being made to give up their cultural heritage to accomodate the...see what happened in WB...the hight court had to intervene to let the Durga pooja immersion be held on the same day ad muharram...mamata govt banned durga immersion to placate muslims who wanted to celebrate muharram ....these kinda things will not help minorities and will increase the animosity....yes..this is the best ex..on the topic ..there are many such things i can point out....now tell me one such thing that any BJP govt in any state or the union govt did to alienate dalits or minorities...dont say beef issues...i will have to stop this discussion at that..if your line of argument is that BJP is anti-dalit because rohit vemula committed suicide and some lunatics killed aklaq in UP over some cow theft...

yendhuku man antha dayarlu chinchukuntaav.

[dakumangalsingh]

15 minutes ago, tokkale said:

ok...tell me one policy or one move that the BJP govt took that tries to alienate dalits or other sections of hindu society...if you go by what ever you read in news papers and articals/op eds in NYT/WaPo and have concluded that BJP had declared a war on dalits in the garb of beef/cow then you are wrong and it is being blown out of proportion ..and it is clearly politics...tell me which party in their right minds will do such things to tarnish their already bad image on such issues...

do you think lakhs of people in BJP primary membership drive and the general membership of RSS is comprised of all UC privileged hindus and dalits have abandoned BJP....

economic growth is on right track as far as i can tell...GST is a good thing i believe ...  in a diverse country like india and where states generally dont settle issues amicably ..centralized policies on some fronts is a good thing....macro economics are strong now...it will have to benefit the lowest denominator now...and cultural battles ...when i say this..i dont mean to wipe off all the minorities and claim india for hindus...i mean a situation where hindus are also left alone by the state to manage their educational/cultural insts temples and where hindus no longer feel that minorities are being pampered...and hindus being made to give up their cultural heritage to accomodate the...see what happened in WB...the hight court had to intervene to let the Durga pooja immersion be held on the same day ad muharram...mamata govt banned durga immersion to placate muslims who wanted to celebrate muharram ....these kinda things will not help minorities and will increase the animosity....yes..this is the best ex..on the topic ..there are many such things i can point out....now tell me one such thing that any BJP govt in any state or the union govt did to alienate dalits or minorities...dont say beef issues...i will have to stop this discussion at that..if your line of argument is that BJP is anti-dalit because rohit vemula committed suicide and some lunatics killed aklaq in UP over some cow theft...

Yes BJP is anti Dalit because modi didn't speak up about  Rohit Vemula, dadri, vandalism of church, Jnu issue hence proved bjp is anti Dalit 

also modi never apologized

[VizagRocks]

2 minutes ago, tokkale said:

ok...tell me one policy or one move that the BJP govt took that tries to alienate dalits or other sections of hindu society...if you go by what ever you read in news papers and articals/op eds in NYT/WaPo and have concluded that BJP had declared a war on dalits in the garb of beef/cow then you are wrong and it is being blown out of proportion ..and it is clearly politics...tell me which party in their right minds will do such things to tarnish their already bad image on such issues...

do you think lakhs of people in BJP primary membership drive and the general membership of RSS is comprised of all UC privileged hindus and dalits have abandoned BJP....

economic growth is on right track as far as i can tell...GST is a good thing i believe ...  in a diverse country like india and where states generally dont settle issues amicably ..centralized policies on some fronts is a good thing....macro economics are strong now...it will have to benefit the lowest denominator now...and cultural battles ...when i say this..i dont mean to wipe off all the minorities and claim india for hindus...i mean a situation where hindus are also left alone by the state to manage their educational/cultural insts temples and where hindus no longer feel that minorities are being pampered...and hindus being made to give up their cultural heritage to accomodate the...see what happened in WB...the hight court had to intervene to let the Durga pooja immersion be held on the same day ad muharram...mamata govt banned durga immersion to placate muslims who wanted to celebrate muharram ....these kinda things will not help minorities and will increase the animosity....yes..this is the best ex..on the topic ..there are many such things i can point out....now tell me one such thing that any BJP govt in any state or the union govt did to alienate dalits or minorities...dont say beef issues...i will have to stop this discussion at that..if your line of argument is that BJP is anti-dalit because rohit vemula committed suicide and some lunatics killed aklaq in UP over some cow theft...

After everything that I said, and you conclude that my contention is BJP is anti-dalit? No. That wasn't my argument.

I said, BJP is a center right party, which is trying to be cultural right. The cultural issues it picks up are detrimental to the poorest sections of society. What use is 'nationalism' to the dalits, tell me.

The right question to ask, if BJP wants to be a genuine cultural right party, is what has BJP done to outreach to dalits.

Pls don't tell that it has started 'Make in India', eased several regulations (I agree with all that), and that benefits dalits indirectly as they get direct/indirect jobs. That is just removing trade blockades for the UC guys to do business with ease. It hardly benefits dalits.

However pathetic BJP's response to Vemula, and Akhlaq, I doubt any other party would've done any better.

I'm just trying to tell you that economic right ideas like free trade don't sit well with cultural right that you support.

[VizagRocks]

12 minutes ago, tokkale said:

ok...tell me one policy or one move that the BJP govt took that tries to alienate dalits or other sections of hindu society...if you go by what ever you read in news papers and articals/op eds in NYT/WaPo and have concluded that BJP had declared a war on dalits in the garb of beef/cow then you are wrong and it is being blown out of proportion ..and it is clearly politics...tell me which party in their right minds will do such things to tarnish their already bad image on such issues...

do you think lakhs of people in BJP primary membership drive and the general membership of RSS is comprised of all UC privileged hindus and dalits have abandoned BJP....

economic growth is on right track as far as i can tell...GST is a good thing i believe ...  in a diverse country like india and where states generally dont settle issues amicably ..centralized policies on some fronts is a good thing....macro economics are strong now...it will have to benefit the lowest denominator now...and cultural battles ...when i say this..i dont mean to wipe off all the minorities and claim india for hindus...i mean a situation where hindus are also left alone by the state to manage their educational/cultural insts temples and where hindus no longer feel that minorities are being pampered...and hindus being made to give up their cultural heritage to accomodate the...see what happened in WB...the hight court had to intervene to let the Durga pooja immersion be held on the same day ad muharram...mamata govt banned durga immersion to placate muslims who wanted to celebrate muharram ....these kinda things will not help minorities and will increase the animosity....yes..this is the best ex..on the topic ..there are many such things i can point out....now tell me one such thing that any BJP govt in any state or the union govt did to alienate dalits or minorities...dont say beef issues...i will have to stop this discussion at that..if your line of argument is that BJP is anti-dalit because rohit vemula committed suicide and some lunatics killed aklaq in UP over some cow theft...

may be your idea of 'cultural' right is to pay lip service to Hindu culture, and carry on with free trade policies.

It will increase captive votebank for the left.

I think you are torn between 'exceptionalism' and 'nationalism'. It is true, that a nation cannot be exceptional, unless it practices free trade. And that is why, I'm against nationalism.

[BeerBob1]

can I hijack this thd