Do you wish that Indians suffer?

[batman]

17 hours ago, lazybugger said:

In an equal society (utopia), muslims, hindus, and others will live their lives respectfully, mingling, converting into and out of each other, etc. Islam does not seem to be particularly harmful or divisive when muslims have access to equal opportunities as others.

liberal societies cannot fight Islamic fundamentalism only to the extent that there exists severe inequality, that is promoted by the said liberal elites (eg. Turkey, Syria). Islam, to me seems to be the balancing force.

Ofcourse, the political philosophy in Islam is disgraceful to say the least, which gives rise to anti-minority policies when the same Islamists come to power. Why that is so, is a conversation that is useful to have.

Not needling regular muslims on the positives or negatives of their religion. Like how Hindutva currently does. Just keep regular muslims out of this conversation, and stop bothering them.

you clearly dont understand the religion and see it through rose tinted glasses. let me give u some hard facts...

converting into and out of each other -- no going out of the religion, you will be awarded death for it

Islam does not seem to be particularly harmful or divisive when muslims have access to equal opportunities as others  -- yes they are not harmful, sunni shias they only behead each other, form militant groups and do ethnic cleansing genocide etc all of which are not really harmful

No body needles them in kashmir or kerala where they actually dominate the discourse....and these places are becoming hubs of isis. my city hyderabad in old city areas also another hub having branches of aele hadith and their shyte.no body want to bother regular peaceful muzzies but the question is do they really want to be regular and peaceful even in areas where they are not persecuted and intact dominate

[lazybugger]

batman,

Muslims are not needled in Kashmir, you say? What is the Indian army doing there killing and maiming regular people?

You still haven't addressed the core of my argument, which is, what is Hinduism's solution for people suffering in poverty? Work hard, slave for others, don't complain and good things will magically happen to you? Is this why such a large part of world's poor live in India? because Hinduism encourages and lets people exploit each other? Atleast Islam encourages to fight against the system, even with arms.

before you complain about Islam, look at our own religion, and its excesses. Allow muslims to look into theirs. This constant badgering of regular muslims is going to enable radical elements in the muslim society to take over.

May be that's what the Hindutva wants. a never ending war with radical muslims so rest of Hindus can be distracted while the rich live free of any responsibility of the mess they created in India.

 

[lazybugger]

19 minutes ago, batman said:

 

Islam does not seem to be particularly harmful or divisive when muslims have access to equal opportunities as others  -- yes they are not harmful, sunni shias they only behead each other, form militant groups and do ethnic cleansing genocide etc all of which are not really harmful

I said in an 'Utopian' society, Islam doesn't seem particularly harmful. All examples you have cited are struggles for resources with religion as backdrop.

If Islam is harmful, then Hinduism is the worst religion ever, because it enslaves its own people, and then mocks them for their inability.

[lazybugger]

I do not know about other countries, but in India, existence of radical muslims are mostly because of Hindutva people.

regular muslims have a hard time speaking against radical muslims in their midst, because Hindutva people try to escalate every local trouble as a national attack on hindu consciousness. this gives radical muslims too much power within their group.

[lazybugger]

Just read up timeline of Ram Janmabhoomi's movement, and the reaction of muslim elite liberals to it.

What started as a grudging acceptance of Hindus right to build a temple in Ayodhya by the muslim liberals, slowly went into defence of the masjid, because of the massive politically charged atmosphere created by Advani and RSS.

Owaisi types finally won the popular muslim support in this issue, because muslims were convinced that there is no other way to stand up to Hindu bigotry. Owaisi is smart enough to realise that these Hindutva bigots cannot be negotiated with. They must be dealt with the same rowdy behaviour that they exhibit.

That is why I respect Owaisi a lot. He is a man of his times. A smart one too.

[lazybugger]

First work on reform your own culture. Go shame the upper caste assholes who fight against reservations first, if you care about fairness.

Talking down to muslims can wait.

[lazybugger]

What is Hindu record in creating an egalitarian society? - world's worst record.

Hindutva should have beeen laughed out, when it was first proposed. Thank you Nehru, for saving India.

[batman]

27 minutes ago, lazybugger said:

batman,

Muslims are not needled in Kashmir, you say? What is the Indian army doing there killing and maiming regular people?

You still haven't addressed the core of my argument, which is, what is Hinduism's solution for people suffering in poverty? Work hard, slave for others, don't complain and good things will magically happen to you? Is this why such a large part of world's poor live in India? because Hinduism encourages and lets people exploit each other? Atleast Islam encourages to fight against the system, even with arms.

before you complain about Islam, look at our own religion, and its excesses. Allow muslims to look into theirs. This constant badgering of regular muslims is going to enable radical elements in the muslim society to take over.

May be that's what the Hindutva wants. a never ending war with radical muslims so rest of Hindus can be distracted while the rich live free of any responsibility of the mess they created in India.

 

Muslims are not needled in Kashmir, you say? What is the Indian army doing there killing and maiming regular people? - why do you think the army had to go there first of all? do u think they just paradropped there and started killing people?? you clearly dont know facts or dont want to know. the jammed formed there first with saudi funding and salafi spread, they didn't want any non muzzie symbol there (like it happens everywhere once they get majority) so they FIRST killed and miamed pandits. what did the pandits do to them?? can u answer? no provocation nothing they are in number so they did what they do.only after the situation became bad army stepped in.......

"Atleast Islam encourages to fight against the system, even with arms."   LOL

[lazybugger]

2 minutes ago, batman said:

Muslims are not needled in Kashmir, you say? What is the Indian army doing there killing and maiming regular people? - why do you think the army had to go there first of all? do u think they just paradropped there and started killing people?? you clearly dont know facts or dont want to know. the jammed formed there first with saudi funding and salafi spread, they didn't want any non muzzie symbol there (like it happens everywhere once they get majority) so they FIRST killed and miamed pandits. what did the pandits do to them?? can u answer? no provocation nothing they are in number so they did what they do.only after the situation became bad army stepped in.......

"Atleast Islam encourages to fight against the system, even with arms."   LOL

take it easy. kashmir people have the right to decide their future. what Indian army is doing there is beyond pathetic, and a shame on India.

 

[batman]

39 minutes ago, lazybugger said:

batman,

Muslims are not needled in Kashmir, you say? What is the Indian army doing there killing and maiming regular people?

You still haven't addressed the core of my argument, which is, what is Hinduism's solution for people suffering in poverty? Work hard, slave for others, don't complain and good things will magically happen to you? Is this why such a large part of world's poor live in India? because Hinduism encourages and lets people exploit each other? Atleast Islam encourages to fight against the system, even with arms.

before you complain about Islam, look at our own religion, and its excesses. Allow muslims to look into theirs. This constant badgering of regular muslims is going to enable radical elements in the muslim society to take over.

May be that's what the Hindutva wants. a never ending war with radical muslims so rest of Hindus can be distracted while the rich live free of any responsibility of the mess they created in India.

 

religions are not to there for solving poverty, there are other ideologies for that. what religion does is to motivate a person to follow the path of good/right(dharma) and to stop a person from committing a sin. he should think if i do this wrong i might be punished(karma). its another thing if a person doesn't follow dharma despite being hindu. but hinduism as a religion does not propagate wrongful acts while islaam openly calls for beheading or converting the kafir(non believer) and death to apostate

[batman]

5 minutes ago, lazybugger said:

take it easy. kashmir people have the right to decide their future. what Indian army is doing there is beyond pathetic, and a shame on India.

 

how easily you condone the acts of kashmiri muzzies. simple question --- what did the pandits in kashmir do that muzzies committed genocide on them?

[lazybugger]

1 minute ago, batman said:

how easily you condone the acts of kashmiri muzzies. simple question --- what did the pandits in kashmir do that muzzies committed genocide on them?

So Indian army is out there to take revenge on pandits behalf?

[batman]

10 minutes ago, lazybugger said:

take it easy. kashmir people have the right to decide their future. what Indian army is doing there is beyond pathetic, and a shame on India.

 

real shame is on kashmiri people for treating burn ashole want as a icon when we have phone recording of him talking to hafeez saeed asking him for sponsorship of terror. btw hafeez also spansored mumbai attacks where innocents where massacred....

yes all this is "struggles for resources" and "fight against the evil powerful"

[lazybugger]

6 minutes ago, batman said:

religions are not to there for solving poverty, there are other ideologies for that. what religion does is to motivate a person to follow the path of good/right(dharma) and to stop a person from committing a sin. he should think if i do this wrong i might be punished(karma). its another thing if a person doesn't follow dharma despite being hindu. but hinduism as a religion does not propagate wrongful acts while islaam openly calls for beheading or converting the kafir(non believer) and death to apostate

lol. religion is used in enslaving plenty of castes in the varna system in India. 

If you think Islam is bigger issue, than 30million kids going hungry every night in India, good luck to you.

 

[lazybugger]

Just now, batman said:

yes all this is "struggles for resources" and "fight against the evil powerful"

yes it is. read up on kashmir history. Very similar to Tamil history in srilanka.

neither pandits, nor upper caste Tamils are angels that they are projected in the media.