Narasimha Rao is not the best PM in India.

[lazybugger]

9 minutes ago, 8OY said:

first time evr i liked lazy's post.. batman gaadu pedda caste pichodu. kulam pichodu. ba cheppav

which caste? neneppudu choodaledhu caste gurinchi athanu raayatam.

[batman]

2 minutes ago, lazybugger said:

see, another example of overreaction. I didn't call you as lacking in decency. Just the guys who trolled me as dalit.

You preaching to me to be magnanimous is misplaced. I can't be bothered to track people who troll me, and target them. I conveniently clubbed them under 'upper caste assholes'.

now you tell me, which muslim in this db, trolled you, or called you names? Or do you expect no less than 100% agreement to everything you say, and can't handle opposing views? Is that why you think its a great thing to troll me, without having anything interesting to say?

i dont care abt db people.i am talking abt the real world upper castes for whom you have lots of hatred. extend ur magnanimity toward them.

[lazybugger]

Just now, batman said:

i dont care abt db people.i am talking abt the real world upper castes for whom you have lots of hatred. extend ur magnanimity toward them.

I didn't realise you were such a apologist for upper caste people. May be I still haven't touched rock bottom in my opinion of Hindutva vaadis.

[yomama]

6 minutes ago, batman said:

i dont care abt db people.i am talking abt the real world upper castes for whom you have lots of hatred. extend ur magnanimity toward them.

dunnapothu mida varsham kuripisthunav sodara

[batman]

3 minutes ago, lazybugger said:

I still haven't heard you say what your takeaway is from Rahul Pandita's book. Mine was that it is a good counterpoint to the Kashmiriyat nonsense that was prevalent at that time in mainstream discourse.

What's yours? that Islam must be destroyed for any semblance of peace to return to Kashmir? Tell. Let me see, how idiotic your takeaway is.

take away is 1989 incident wasn't a sudden spurt of a moment kind event. islamization of kashmir project was going on for quiet some time. kashmir right now has countless salafi mosques funded by saudi and the project has reached maybe a few notches short of isis of syria.

book has several instance from pandita's childhood abt how muzzies behave when they are in majority and the contempt they show to other religious  minoroties, how their religion encourages contempt of the kaafir etc

bottom line people born as muzzies are actually innocent people who got brainwashed by this evil cult called izzlam

[yomama]

Just now, batman said:

take away is 1989 incident wasn't a sudden spurt of a moment kind event. islamization of kashmir project was going on for quiet some time. kashmir right now has countless salafi mosques funded by saudi and the project has reached maybe a few notches short of isis of syria.

book has several instance from pandita's childhood abt how muzzies behave when they are in majority and the contempt they show to other religious  minoroties, how their religion encourages contempt of the kaafir etc

bottom line people born as muzzies are actually innocent people who got brainwashed by this evil cult called izzlam

oka sari cheste innocence 1400 years ga chestune unte adi war not innocence raja

[lazybugger]

Just now, batman said:

take away is 1989 incident wasn't a sudden spurt of a moment kind event. islamization of kashmir project was going on for quiet some time. kashmir right now has countless salafi mosques funded by saudi and the project has reached maybe a few notches short of isis of syria.

book has several instance from pandita's childhood abt how muzzies behave when they are in majority and the contempt they show to other religious  minoroties, how their religion encourages contempt of the kaafir etc

bottom line people born as muzzies are actually innocent people who got brainwashed by this evil cult called izzlam

See, it took so much of prodding for you to get to point, while you were happily typing away irrelevant smartass comments.

except your conclusion about the 'evilness' of Islam and how muslims behave in majority, how different is what I said, to what you said?

Since I've read similar books on Srilanka, and books on east europe, I don't find Islam as particularly evil. 

Being against the existing liberal consensus is one nothing, but drifting so far across into extremist Hindu position and trolling someone who doesn't even disagree with you, is idiotic.

[batman]

2 minutes ago, lazybugger said:

I didn't realise you were such a apologist for upper caste people. May be I still haven't touched rock bottom in my opinion of Hindutva vaadis.

i am not apologist, i am well aware abt the asshollery of upper caste especially in rural india.

thats not the point. when u say muslims behaved such a way coz of situation/times  etc when u can think so maturely abt them why dont u do the same when talking of UC? maybe UCs also behave coz of some reason i dont know dwell into that....why dont think with the same maturity? but no suddenly all that vanishes and hatred comes out....have one stance for all

[lazybugger]

7 minutes ago, batman said:

take away is 1989 incident wasn't a sudden spurt of a moment kind event. islamization of kashmir project was going on for quiet some time. kashmir right now has countless salafi mosques funded by saudi and the project has reached maybe a few notches short of isis of syria.

book has several instance from pandita's childhood abt how muzzies behave when they are in majority and the contempt they show to other religious  minoroties, how their religion encourages contempt of the kaafir etc

bottom line people born as muzzies are actually innocent people who got brainwashed by this evil cult called izzlam

I didn't find Rahul Pandita's book particularly useful to understand the situation in Kashmir.

The rallying cry for Kashmir's independence in the 1940s itself was against the Hindu dogra kings. But nothing like this happened for the next 3-4 decades. why?

saudi funding, and pak prodding, sure. But there was discontent among the muslims for a long time at the relative affluence of the pandits.. The central govt did nothing to assuage it, but rather stoked it.

[batman]

11 minutes ago, yomama said:

oka sari cheste innocence 1400 years ga chestune unte adi war not innocence raja

yes but what can they do.....they get brainwashed with the cult?

look at the british muzzies who went to syria....i mean what disenchantment disenfranchising did they experience?? free education/heathcare good public infra etc what drives them  if not for the evil cult

[lazybugger]

4 minutes ago, batman said:

i am not apologist, i am well aware abt the asshollery of upper caste especially in rural india.

thats not the point. when u say muslims behaved such a way coz of situation/times  etc when u can think so maturely abt them why dont u do the same when talking of UC? maybe UCs also behave coz of some reason i dont know dwell into that....why dont think with the same maturity? but no suddenly all that vanishes and hatred comes out....have one stance for all

because I'm not affected by Muslim bigotry, I can take a dispassionate stand on it. I have met some very incredibly smart muslims, arabs who are atheists, etc. No, they don't automatically start abusing Islam just because they are atheists. The climate is such that, abusing Islam will add to even more resentment and marginalizing of muslims in the mainstream. I understand that distinction.

But Hindu bigotry is very close to home. In conversations with cousins, your former maths teacher, your uncles, etc. I can't call them 'oppressed' except in their fantasy land that goes back a 1000yrs. I haven't yet tuned myself to ignore it. 

Its extremely nauseating. 

[batman]

6 minutes ago, lazybugger said:

I didn't find Rahul Pandita's book particularly useful to understand the situation in Kashmir.

The rallying cry for Kashmir's independence in the 1940s itself was against the Hindu dogra kings. But nothing like this happened for the next 3-4 decades. why?

saudi funding, and pak prodding, sure. But there was discontent among the muslims for a long time at the relative affluence of the pandits.. The central govt did nothing to assuage it, but rather stoked it.

so killing raping ethnic cleansing is not resultant of evil cult coz its done on the affluent class....on the contrary it should be paraphrased as " uprising of the disenfranchised"

[batman]

4 minutes ago, lazybugger said:

because I'm not affected by Muslim bigotry, I can take a dispassionate stand on it. I have met some very incredibly smart muslims, arabs who are atheists, etc. No, they don't automatically start abusing Islam just because they are atheists. The climate is such that, abusing Islam will add to even more resentment and marginalizing of muslims in the mainstream. I understand that distinction.

But Hindu bigotry is very close to home. In conversations with cousins, your former maths teacher, your uncles, etc. I can't call them 'oppressed' except in their fantasy land that goes back a 1000yrs. I haven't yet tuned myself to ignore it. 

Its extremely nauseating. 

but abusing hinduism/modi will not add to even more resentment and marginalizing of hindutva guys/bhakts in the mainstream. but of course some cannot understand that distinction.

[lazybugger]

2 minutes ago, batman said:

yes but what can they do.....they get brainwashed with the cult?

look at the british muzzies who went to syria....i mean what disenchantment disenfranchising did they experience?? free education/heathcare good public infra etc what drives them  if not for the evil cult

There are british Muslims who are top scientists, and professionals. Their general disenfranchisement has to do with the lack of opportunities for them. They share this condition with the british lower class white, who form their own gangs and rake up sh1t. especially against these muslims.

I hope you aren't saying that all muslims as having one particular motivation (whatever that is), because real life doesn't work that way. You can act on that instinct and devise policies to keep muslims out, but it won't solve the problem.

That is why running away from the truth serves no one any good. Hiding from the truth with cheap shots, now that is different.

[lazybugger]

3 minutes ago, batman said:

so killing raping ethnic cleansing is not resultant of evil cult coz its done on the affluent class....on the contrary it should be paraphrased as " uprising of the disenfranchised"

what a horrible question.

What exactly do you think the role of a govt. is? how should it deal with aspirations of all sections of people? These are the right questions.