My India is changing

[lazybugger]

1 minute ago, Android_Halwa said:

Well, if you clearly understand generation system, only two generations from one family should get reservation and there onwards should be classified as creamy layer so that other dalits should get a fair chance. Its tough to put in number of years. 

yes its not overwhelming numbers because the third generations of dalits are just toddlers now. This number is going to increase in the coming years and resources limited. There is an urgent need to identify creamy layers and exclude them from reservations so that first timers will get a fair chance.

its dalit's problem. not ours. In effect, they should comprise atleast 12% of public institutions so they cannot be discriminated against.

when it comes to that, they'll change the rules that reflect the need for such a creamy layer. right now, that need isn't the first concern.

[Android_Halwa]

Just now, lazybugger said:

its dalit's problem. not ours. In effect, they should comprise atleast 12% of public institutions so they cannot be discriminated against.

when it comes to that, they'll change the rules that reflect the need for such a creamy layer. right now, that need isn't the first concern.

It is the need of the hour, More and More young dalit kids will come into education system in the next few years and if this system is not set right, then it will be chaos. 

and reservation system is not something that can be changed over night..It will take atleast two decades and atleast four full term governments to reform the reservation system keeping in mind the future needs, not what happened to dalits in the past. 

[lazybugger]

Just now, Android_Halwa said:

It is the need of the hour, More and More young dalit kids will come into education system in the next few years and if this system is not set right, then it will be chaos. 

and reservation system is not something that can be changed over night..It will take atleast two decades and atleast four full term governments to reform the reservation system keeping in mind the future needs, not what happened to dalits in the past. 

lol. this is not a political issue at all. Do you think dalits will protest if there's a creamy layer, if there's enough evidence shown that majority(or even a growing percentage) of dalits who avail reservations are 3rd or even 2nd generation?

reservation system can be changed in a couple of years at the max. live in the present man. I say over 90% of them are 1st generation graduates, and you are talking about 10-15yrs down the line.

[lazybugger]

poor upper caste kids can be given monetary help. but never reservation. economic based reservation is a big no no.

[libraguy863]

1 hour ago, lazybugger said:

chintapandu pinduthuney untey rasam baa raadhu. upper caste la gola 24/7 about infra blah blah..

koncham pepper, jeera, anni veyyandi ra.

kontha chintapandu ni teesi paareyandi.

appudey rasam baavuntundi.

kaneesam anni mix chesi manchi rasam podi anna tayaru cheyyandi. okkoti veyyatam kastam ayitey.

maarandi ra babu. naaku counter lu veyyakandi. India meedha prema nijanga untey, reservation meedha artham partham lekunda edavadam aapandi.

underlined

[Android_Halwa]

1 minute ago, lazybugger said:

lol. this is not a political issue at all. Do you think dalits will protest if there's a creamy layer, if there's enough evidence shown that majority(or even a growing percentage) of dalits who avail reservations are 3rd or even 2nd generation?

reservation system can be changed in a couple of years at the max. live in the present man. I say over 90% of them are 1st generation graduates, and you are talking about 10-15yrs down the line.

Well, I'm talking about next generation reservation system for which referendum should be from 1960's to 2010' unlike the earlier system which took pre 1947 conditions to decide on reservations. 

Reservation system cannot be changed in two years looking at the present situation. Easy to say but hard to convince 700 odd representatives. If there was anything as executive order but unfortunately India doesn't have enough power to strike off things with a stroke of a pen. 

Minimum 10-15 years and will take 3-4 successive governments to identify and organise the reservation system so that the benefits reach the needy. 

[lazybugger]

10 minutes ago, Android_Halwa said:

It is the need of the hour, More and More young dalit kids will come into education system in the next few years and if this system is not set right, then it will be chaos. 

and reservation system is not something that can be changed over night..It will take atleast two decades and atleast four full term governments to reform the reservation system keeping in mind the future needs, not what happened to dalits in the past. 

"happened to dalits in the past" aaa? nee yavva..

see how hard they tried to prove that Rohit Vemula was not a dalit. That's the level of victim shaming that happens in India, to protect one union minister's needless poking of nose in campus affairs.

in the past they used to openly victimize them, now they do it in sophisticated ways. anthey.

anyway, there will be no chaos. Nobody needs to worry about this, other than the dalits. It's their 12% quota. Its their politics. How they decide to share that quota among themselves is their problem.

what you can do, if you are a decent citizen, is not treat them like crap. apparently its too much to ask.

[lazybugger]

3 minutes ago, Android_Halwa said:

Well, I'm talking about next generation reservation system for which referendum should be from 1960's to 2010' unlike the earlier system which took pre 1947 conditions to decide on reservations. 

Reservation system cannot be changed in two years looking at the present situation. Easy to say but hard to convince 700 odd representatives. If there was anything as executive order but unfortunately India doesn't have enough power to strike off things with a stroke of a pen. 

Minimum 10-15 years and will take 3-4 successive governments to identify and organise the reservation system so that the benefits reach the needy. 

brother. Its not your 12% quota. you don't worry about it.

dalits will worry about their quota.

[libraguy863]

17 minutes ago, Android_Halwa said:

Well, if you clearly understand generation system, only two generations from one family should get reservation and there onwards should be classified as creamy layer so that other dalits should get a fair chance. Its tough to put in number of years. 

yes its not overwhelming numbers because the third generations of dalits are just toddlers now. This number is going to increase in the coming years and resources limited. There is an urgent need to identify creamy layers and exclude them from reservations so that first timers will get a fair chance.

Bro SC ki oka quote vuntadi .. example out of 5 total 1 or 2 are their seats .. so regardless 100 apply only those 2 are filled with SC folks . so the rest is all the other castes and OC. spillover vundadu ikkada. so if 3rd generation SC gets ready he will have to go under OC as someone already availed the 2 seats available .. my 2 cents 

[lazybugger]

Halwa,

a single seat from that quota is not available to outsiders. so why are we even talking about it?

 

[Android_Halwa]

1 minute ago, lazybugger said:

brother. Its not your 12% quota. you don't worry about it.

dalits will worry about their quota.

Its not your  issue either, why do you bother about dalit welfare then and respond to dalit affairs ? 

[Android_Halwa]

Just now, lazybugger said:

Halwa,

a single seat from that quota is not available to outsiders. so why are we even talking about it?

 

Lazybugger

The issue is about reservation system should actually reach to the needy beneficiaries. Not for the one who can afford. It doesnt matter if the quota is filled or not filled or whether it is available to outsiders or not. Sometimes you should understand the point.

[lazybugger]

India needs all castes to be in the mainstream. Every single caste must feel welcome in India. Try and create that environment, instead of crying all the time, over things you can't even control.

tomorrow a madiga should be equal to a kamma.Then caste will die. and reservations will disappear. otherwise no.

[lazybugger]

Just now, Android_Halwa said:

Lazybugger

The issue is about reservation system should actually reach to the needy beneficiaries. Not for the one who can afford. It doesnt matter if the quota is filled or not filled or whether it is available to outsiders or not. Sometimes you should understand the point.

 

3 minutes ago, lazybugger said:

Halwa,

a single seat from that quota is not available to outsiders. so why are we even talking about it?

 

we both are not dalits. you are trying to poke into dalit's business pretending that you care about them. Most likely you are just jealous of the 2nd gen dalits who have things easy.

I'm not poking into dalits business. I'm not on dalit's db. I'm on uppercaste db, giving them reasons why its a good idea to stop poking in dalit business. what you and I do are not the same. not by a long shot.

[lazybugger]

Halwa,

will you agree if Andhra person pokes his nose into TG affairs and gives them advise? advise that especially you don't agree with?

This is the same thing. have some courtesy man.