BREAKING NEWS: Fox News has learned @POTUS will end "#DACA" program as it currently exists.

[tennisluvr]

4 minutes ago, Vishwaksena said:

Show some compassion bro

Show some compassion bro. Valla thappu lekunda parents tho patu vachina pillala meeda edupu enduku? Vaalla valla em nashtam jarigindi?

You are reading between the lines. See my post above, no where did I put the onus on DACAs for this situation they find themselves in. 

If anything they just got used like pawns by the previous administration. 

[TampaChinnodu]

1 minute ago, tennisluvr said:

Who said I don't have compassion for them bro. I am not blaming DACAs where did I say it was their fault. I just meant to say that it was Obama and his administration's fault that they endangered the position of all these DACAs by not only trying to hastily come up with a law to legalize them, but also did a great disservice to them by throwing them into the MAVNI program without proper thought. 

Now you see what happens to judicial over reach, it gets shot down eventually. If anything, this mess was totally created by the previous administration. I have all sympathy with my DACA brothers and sisters, it's not their fault that the half baked rules of the past administration are jeopardizing their situation now. 

[tennisluvr]

7 minutes ago, Semper_Fi said:

MAVNI is also done le. They f**ked us guys right in the A$$ at the end. SMH. Talk about the honor now, shall we?

Yup are you a fellow MAVNI too? Did you know that even conducting CI against us is illegal. DoD is trying desperately to kill the program at any rate. 

[Vishwaksena]

6 minutes ago, TampaChinnodu said:

Agreed. But if they are getting citizenships faster than the people who are actually going through legal process. Then that will encourage more illegal immigration. 

Ok. You are completely wrong. The program does not provide lawful status or a path to citizenship, nor does it provide eligibility for federal welfare or student aid. Building opinions based on false information is very dangerous brother.

[Vishwaksena]

6 minutes ago, tennisluvr said:

You are reading between the lines. See my post above, no where did I put the onus on DACAs for this situation they find themselves in. 

If anything they just got used like pawns by the previous administration. 

Please explain what in DACA was so outrageous

[Spartan]

ippudu MAVNI lo join ayi visa atu itu unna valla paristiti endi.

 

[TampaChinnodu]

1 minute ago, Vishwaksena said:

Ok. You are completely wrong. The program does not provide lawful status or a path to citizenship, nor does it provide eligibility for federal welfare or student aid. Building opinions based on false information is very dangerous brother.

Sorry. I do not have full info on this. But I read some analysis where they mentioned DACA candidates will get path to citizenship faster than others. 

[tennisluvr]

5 minutes ago, Vishwaksena said:

Please explain what in DACA was so outrageous

Throwing DACAs into the MAVNI program was outrageous. 

MAVNI was for people that were here legally on visas including H1B, F1, J1 etc. All these people had accountability from the day they landed in the US so it was easy to vet them. 

By throwing DACAs who didn't have the same thing through no fault of their own into the MAVNI program, they have made the whole program a risky business. So now DoD has decided to throw the entire MAVNI program out just because they can't vet the backgrounds of a few. 

 

[Vishwaksena]

12 minutes ago, tennisluvr said:

Throwing DACAs into the MAVNI program was outrageous. 

MAVNI was for people that were here legally on visas including H1B, F1, J1 etc. All these people had accountability from the day they landed in the US so it was easy to vet them. 

By throwing DACAs who didn't have the same thing through no fault of their own into the MAVNI program, they have made the whole program a risky business. So now DoD has decided to throw the entire MAVNI program out just because they can't vet the backgrounds of a few. 

 

Seriously? just one issue? I am guessing its personal.

Lets look at the facts for a sec. There are 750,000 dreamers, out of which <1000 enlisted (0.13%). DoD stopped enlisting people under MAVNI roughly a year ago.

Even if MAVNI were to continue, DoD can easily outline new guidelines to keep DACAs from enlisting. I am assuming you are aware of the fact that Obama's executive order doesn't explicitly mention MAVNI, so its up to DoD to decide who they want to hire. If its difficult to vet, don't hire. Simple

Frankly, I don't care about MAVNI. Its just a short cut for non-immigrants to get citizenship. Please don't tell me you want to serve the country out of love.

 

[tennisluvr]

7 minutes ago, Vishwaksena said:

Seriously? just one issue? I am guessing its personal.

Lets look at the facts for a sec. There are 750,000 dreamers, out of which <1000 enlisted (0.13%). DoD stopped enlisting people under MAVNI roughly a year ago.

Even if MAVNI were to continue, DoD can easily outline new guidelines to keep DACAs from enlisting. I am assuming you are aware of the fact that Obama's executive order doesn't explicitly mention MAVNI, so its up to DoD to decide who they want to hire. If its difficult to vet, don't hire. Simple

Frankly, I don't care about MAVNI. Its just a short cut for non-immigrants to get citizenship. Please don't tell me you want to serve the country out of love.

 

That shows how clueless you are in the first place. If DoD were to go ahead and make new guidelines that exclude DACAs from enlisting into the MAVNI program, they are directly countering the presidential action and going against the orders of the Supreme commander of the US Armed Forces which DoD is part of. So there's no way they would have gone ahead with something like that. Guess you aren't aware much of the law of the land, I suggest you look into that in the first place.

 

Obama's EO did make it possible for DACAs to enlist into the MAVNI program, so DoD can't actively discriminate against them when the presidential order grants them the power to enlist into the MAVNI program. Are you suggesting that the DoD indulge in discrimination and act against the Executive order passed by the president and the supreme commander of the US Armed Forces?  

[libraguy863]

10 minutes ago, Vishwaksena said:

Seriously? just one issue? I am guessing its personal.

Lets look at the facts for a sec. There are 750,000 dreamers, out of which <1000 enlisted (0.13%). DoD stopped enlisting people under MAVNI roughly a year ago.

Even if MAVNI were to continue, DoD can easily outline new guidelines to keep DACAs from enlisting. I am assuming you are aware of the fact that Obama's executive order doesn't explicitly mention MAVNI, so its up to DoD to decide who they want to hire. If its difficult to vet, don't hire. Simple

Frankly, I don't care about MAVNI. Its just a short cut for non-immigrants to get citizenship. Please don't tell me you want to serve the country out of love.

 

Agreed---Frankly, I don't care about MAVNI. Its just a short cut for non-immigrants to get citizenship. Please don't tell me you want to serve the country out of love.

[Quickgun_murugan]

1 hour ago, tennisluvr said:

A lot of MAVNIs in this forum ended up being naturalized and became successful US citizens including @Quickgun_murugan, @Hercules and a few others from this forum who aren't active anymore. Of course, DACAs weren't included in the MAVNI program when they all joined. 

Matter enti uncle?? how this DACA thing affects current MAVNI recruits or future recruits..

[tennisluvr]

8 minutes ago, Vishwaksena said:

Seriously? just one issue? I am guessing its personal.

Lets look at the facts for a sec. There are 750,000 dreamers, out of which <1000 enlisted (0.13%). DoD stopped enlisting people under MAVNI roughly a year ago.

Even if MAVNI were to continue, DoD can easily outline new guidelines to keep DACAs from enlisting. I am assuming you are aware of the fact that Obama's executive order doesn't explicitly mention MAVNI, so its up to DoD to decide who they want to hire. If its difficult to vet, don't hire. Simple

Frankly, I don't care about MAVNI. Its just a short cut for non-immigrants to get citizenship. Please don't tell me you want to serve the country out of love.

 

Thanks for confirming how utterly clueless you are about the whole program, it figures. 

MAVNI was drafted by a Lt Col in the Army who was one of the main members of the think tank that looked into the shortages faced by the Army when it comes to skilled personnel. I am sure you must belong to the breed of "thinkers" that thinks an Army is all about it's ground troops who have the boots on ground in the battlefield. Behind that, there's a huge network of experts that are required to even facilitate a ground invasion where the US Army found itself short staffed, as a lot of people with advanced degrees and the ability to carry out such tasks were in short supply. 

On top of that, the US Army had a huge shortage of Medical personnel, the ones that take care of the injured on the ground and are responsible for ensuring the success or failure of an operation. This also includes the dentists btw who were in short supply as well. To counter all these shortages, the MAVNI program was formed. The US Army isn't a Citizenship dispensing machine, and isn't doling out freebies to people. It's a give and take, where citizenship is provided in lieu of services that are rendered by this valuable personnel. 

But then I am sure a half baked expert would have no understanding of all this. 

[tennisluvr]

2 minutes ago, libraguy863 said:

Agreed---Frankly, I don't care about MAVNI. Its just a short cut for non-immigrants to get citizenship. Please don't tell me you want to serve the country out of love.

 

2 minutes ago, Quickgun_murugan said:

Matter enti uncle?? how this DACA thing affects current MAVNI recruits or future recruits..

Some clueless people like above think citizenship is being doled out for free by US Army without any benefit for them in return. They are thinking US Army is a charity organization 

Little do they know that a lot of positions in the Army require us to have security clearance which can only be granted for citizens, which is the main reason behind naturalizing MAVNIs. 

[tennisluvr]

5 minutes ago, libraguy863 said:

Agreed---Frankly, I don't care about MAVNI. Its just a short cut for non-immigrants to get citizenship. Please don't tell me you want to serve the country out of love.

Thanks for confirming how utterly clueless you are about the whole program, it figures. 

MAVNI was drafted by a Lt Col in the Army who was one of the main members of the think tank that looked into the shortages faced by the Army when it comes to skilled personnel. I am sure you must belong to the breed of "thinkers" that thinks an Army is all about it's ground troops who have the boots on ground in the battlefield. Behind that, there's a huge network of experts that are required to even facilitate a ground invasion where the US Army found itself short staffed, as a lot of people with advanced degrees and the ability to carry out such tasks were in short supply. 

On top of that, the US Army had a huge shortage of Medical personnel, the ones that take care of the injured on the ground and are responsible for ensuring the success or failure of an operation. This also includes the dentists btw who were in short supply as well. To counter all these shortages, the MAVNI program was formed. The US Army isn't a Citizenship dispensing machine, and isn't doling out freebies to people. It's a give and take, where citizenship is provided in lieu of services that are rendered by this valuable personnel. 

But then I am sure a half baked expert would have no understanding of all this.