Word of advise to everyone

[Vishwaksena]

Here are some links for you, tennisluvr:

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/evd4we/the-good-guy-with-a-gun-theory-debunked

http://harvardpolitics.com/united-states/good-guy-gun-myth/

https://thinkprogress.org/more-guns-mean-more-crime-37ae003e8bb5/

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/more-guns-do-not-stop-more-crimes-evidence-shows/?utm_content=bufferb3b90&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

 

 

[tennisluvr]

1 minute ago, Vishwaksena said:

Here are some links for you, tennisluvr:

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/evd4we/the-good-guy-with-a-gun-theory-debunked

http://harvardpolitics.com/united-states/good-guy-gun-myth/

https://thinkprogress.org/more-guns-mean-more-crime-37ae003e8bb5/

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/more-guns-do-not-stop-more-crimes-evidence-shows/?utm_content=bufferb3b90&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

 

 

Okay so go get them banned then. And the websites you posted are leftist websites btw, so I guess those can be classified as garbage by some as well. 

Lol or do you think only news you post is authentic without any political leanings 

[tennisluvr]

3 minutes ago, Vishwaksena said:

Here are some links for you, tennisluvr:

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/evd4we/the-good-guy-with-a-gun-theory-debunked

http://harvardpolitics.com/united-states/good-guy-gun-myth/

https://thinkprogress.org/more-guns-mean-more-crime-37ae003e8bb5/

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/more-guns-do-not-stop-more-crimes-evidence-shows/?utm_content=bufferb3b90&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

 

 

You know pretty well that no matter how much you crib here about banning all firearms that ain't gonna happen. The next best thing is to learn to protect yourself which is what I suggested. 

Do you have any better suggestions? 

[xxxmen]

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[usetime63]

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[Vishwaksena]

Now tell me if you don't believe in Harvard Political Review but instead will go with Tucker Carlson's (of fox news) dailycaller, John Lott's (The guy who was funded by NRA to do the research) Crime Prevention Research Center, and Ben and Mollie's (Both Fox news contributors and Ben is a proven plagiarist/fraud) The Federalist.

Who do you trust? Actual scientists who provide statistics and evidence with substance, or people with an agenda and go hand in hand with the NRA?

[usetime63]

2 minutes ago, Vishwaksena said:

Now tell me if you don't believe in Harvard Political Review but instead will go with Tucker Carlson's (of fox news) dailycaller, John Lott's (The guy who was funded by NRA to do the research) Crime Prevention Research Center, and Ben and Mollie's (Both Fox news contributors and Ben is a proven plagiarist/fraud) The Federalist.

Who do you trust? Actual scientists who provide statistics and evidence with substance, or people with an agenda and go hand in hand with the NRA?

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[tennisluvr]

6 minutes ago, Vishwaksena said:

Now tell me if you don't believe in Harvard Political Review but instead will go with Tucker Carlson's (of fox news) dailycaller, John Lott's (The guy who was funded by NRA to do the research) Crime Prevention Research Center, and Ben and Mollie's (Both Fox news contributors and Ben is a proven plagiarist/fraud) The Federalist.

Who do you trust? Actual scientists who provide statistics and evidence with substance, or people with an agenda and go hand in hand with the NRA?

Harvard is leftist leaning, so what? They have their own agenda as well, no website is totally apolitical. Besides if you are a strong advocate of banning these firearms why don't you try to raise this issue on the appropriate forum. I guess because you know that short of a constitutional amendment nothing is going to change the existing gun laws in this nation. Plus there are several senators and politicians on NRA's payroll.

One of the reasons this nation is so prosperous is due to the military industrial complex. If you are living and working here, eating here then the only way you can be a proponent against them is by not even stepping foot here. Since the gun laws aren't going to be amended soon, I think it's not a bad idea to invest in some self defense lessons.

[Vishwaksena]

4 minutes ago, tennisluvr said:

You know pretty well that no matter how much you crib here about banning all firearms that ain't gonna happen. The next best thing is to learn to protect yourself which is what I suggested. 

Do you have any better suggestions? 

Here is the text of second amendment:

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

The constitution guarantees the people (of militia) to bear arms. Not individuals. But lets set this aside and assume that it guarantees individuals to carry firearms (DC vs Heller).

The time when this was written, there were muskets around, not assault rifles. As the judgement in DC vs Heller clearly states,  

Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller's holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those "in common use at the time" finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons.

This came from the dear justice of conservatives, Antonin Scalia. So, no. Carrying a weapon is not the next best option. You can restrict assault rifles. You can't kill so many people using a handgun.

[tennisluvr]

3 minutes ago, Vishwaksena said:

Here is the text of second amendment:

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

The constitution guarantees the people (of militia) to bear arms. Not individuals. But lets set this aside and assume that it guarantees individuals to carry firearms (DC vs Heller).

The time when this was written, there were muskets around, not assault rifles. As the judgement in DC vs Heller clearly states,  

Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller's holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those "in common use at the time" finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons.

This came from the dear justice of conservatives, Antonin Scalia. So, no. Carrying a weapon is not the next best option. You can restrict assault rifles. You can't kill so many people using a handgun.

Did you see what the latest shooter had used? He brought an AR 15 and converted it to a fully automatic weapon. He didn't outright buy a fully automatic weapon, he converted a non automatic to an automatic. What does that tell you? That even if you were to ban those assault rifles(which I am supportive of) you will still have people that will find a way to convert their weapons into assault rifles.

[Vishwaksena]

7 minutes ago, tennisluvr said:

Did you see what the latest shooter had used? He brought an AR 15 and converted it to a fully automatic weapon. He didn't outright buy a fully automatic weapon, he converted a non automatic to an automatic. What does that tell you? That even if you were to ban those assault rifles(which I am supportive of) you will still have people that will find a way to convert their weapons into assault rifles.

You can make an AR-15 mimic an M-16 by just buying a bump stock legally. Do you think the founders had automatic fire power in mind when they drafted the constitution?

[tennisluvr]

Just now, Vishwaksena said:

You can make an AR-15 mimic an M-16 by just buying a bump stock legally. Do you think the founders had automatic fire power in mind when they drafted the constitution?

No they didn't and they perhaps didn't expect to see the current mess either. However, as I have mentioned earlier an overhaul of existing gun laws won't happen anytime soon. Don't count your breath on it, try to protect yourself by any means including carrying a firearm if necessary. That's the crux of my debate, if you expect this to be sorted out anytime soon good luck with your thinking.

[Batman_fan]

http://www.businessinsider.com/las-vegas-shooting-caleb-keeter-gun-control-2017-10

Country musician flips on gun control after surviving Las Vegas shooting: 'I cannot express how wrong I was'

 

"I've been a proponent of the 2nd Amendment my entire life. Until the events of last night. I cannot express how wrong I was," he tweeted on Monday. "We actually have members of our crew with CHL [concealed handgun licenses], and legal firearms on the bus. They were useless."

Keeter said his fellow band members didn't dare take out their weapons in self-defense as bullets rained down on the crowd "for fear police might think we were part of the massacre and shoot us." 

 

[Vishwaksena]

2 minutes ago, tennisluvr said:

No they didn't and they perhaps didn't expect to see the current mess either. However, as I have mentioned earlier an overhaul of existing gun laws won't happen anytime soon. Don't count your breath on it, try to protect yourself by any means including carrying a firearm if necessary. That's the crux of my debate, if you expect this to be sorted out anytime soon good luck with your thinking.

I am not expecting this to over, or counting on it. Please allow me to bust the myth of actually carrying a weapon makes you feel safe. It doesn't. Here are the facts, cold hard facts that cannot be ignored:

1. Owning a gun is linked to higher risks of homicide, suicide, and accidental death by a gun.

2. For every time a gun is used in self-defense in the home, there are 7 murders, 11 suicide attempts, and 4 accidents involving guns in or around a home.

3. 43% of homes with guns and kids have at least one unlocked firearm.

4. In one experiment, one third of 8-to-12-year-old boys who found a handgun pulled the trigger.

citations:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/9715182/

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0001457502000490

http://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/9/1/48.full

https://academic.oup.com/aje/article/160/10/929/140858/Guns-in-the-Home-and-Risk-of-a-Violent-Death-in

http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/abs/10.2105/AJPH.90.4.588

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/107/6/1247?sid=96fc3066-8fc5-4c58-b518-1940841c762b&sso=1&sso_redirect_count=1&nfstatus=401&nftoken=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000&nfstatusdescription=ERROR%3a+No+local+token

These are actual non-partisan scientists who did their research and published their findings in reputed journals.

 

 

[Vishwaksena]

7 minutes ago, Batman_fan said:

http://www.businessinsider.com/las-vegas-shooting-caleb-keeter-gun-control-2017-10

Country musician flips on gun control after surviving Las Vegas shooting: 'I cannot express how wrong I was'

 

"I've been a proponent of the 2nd Amendment my entire life. Until the events of last night. I cannot express how wrong I was," he tweeted on Monday. "We actually have members of our crew with CHL [concealed handgun licenses], and legal firearms on the bus. They were useless."

Keeter said his fellow band members didn't dare take out their weapons in self-defense as bullets rained down on the crowd "for fear police might think we were part of the massacre and shoot us." 

 

Exactly