effects of HR 392 IV Bill

[uttermost]

asalu aa link lo neat ga raasaadu ga. andulo naaku anti emi kanipinchaledhey. Its well argued piece.

that's the impression I got from reading it without knowing much about h1b, gc.

[uttermost]

3 minutes ago, Optimus654 said:

Read it twice brother. Would like to respectfully disagree with both the author and you.

1. No per country cap , one time waiver and reclaiming unused visas will lead to homogenous population. There will be no more ethnic mix in the field of technology and medicine with the assumption that almost all of the population in waiting line is from India or China.

2. Lifting per country cap will cause consternation with countries other than India and China . Their versions of sushma swarajs will start lobbying against the bill.

3. One time relief is like throwing a grenade into the job market. Oka 400k Indians ki green cards vasthayi. Consulting companies will suppress wages horribly at least for the short term.

4. Per country cap theesina kooda if the 1,2,3 employment based categories are retained, Indian witch companies will gobble up the eb1 visas.

5. In my mind, eb1c abuse is the root cause. Decades long taxes kaduthunna janalu decades ago vacchharu. The reason they are yet to get visa is because of eb1 abuse.labor plus 5 years used to be the untold norm for getting a green card in eb2. It was 7-8 years for eb3.

6. I believe in organic growth. You get in line, do your time and earn your card. These one time waivers do not go away even if they materialize. They are like hand outs or entitlements. You can only give. You can not take back.

7. Fake certificates tho BCA degrees tho ulfa qa job chesthunna WITCH ki 1.5 years lo GC vasthey ragilipothundi kadupulo. These type of  guys will obviously give out a no skills menial impression when they go work for an American employer. I believe this is only adding to the impression that not all Indians here are highly skilled.

 

Would definitely like to hear what is your opinion on eb1c abuse.

 

em difference peddaga ledhu ga, nuvvu cheppindaaniki, author cheppindaaniki.

[Optimus654]

1 minute ago, uttermost said:

em difference peddaga ledhu ga, nuvvu cheppindaaniki, author cheppindaaniki.

The author is recommending no per country cap. I am for per country cap but no eb1c abuse

[tennisluvr]

3 minutes ago, uttermost said:

asalu aa link lo neat ga raasaadu ga. andulo naaku anti emi kanipinchaledhey. Its well argued piece.

that's the impression I got from reading it without knowing much about h1b, gc.

The dilemma is very easy to see, would you let only one group suffer i.e., Indians at this moment vs let all the groups comprising of various nationalities suffer? 

I think the answer is obvious. 

[tennisluvr]

Just now, Optimus654 said:

The author is recommending no per country cap. I am for per country cap but no eb1c abuse

EB1C abuse won't stop since corporates aren't opposing it. They don't care if a few GCs are thrown at wage slaves if they are able to hand them out projects for pennies on dollar and get their work done. 

They could care less about EB1C abuse. 

[Optimus654]

1 minute ago, tennisluvr said:

The dilemma is very easy to see, would you let only one group suffer i.e., Indians at this moment vs let all the groups comprising of various nationalities suffer? 

I think the answer is obvious. 

Correct. Strategic partners of USA will fight tooth and nail to protect their citizens. The bill will go no where. I would say we should fight for minimum salary for eb1c applicant. Sagam scrap pothundi. Eb2 will start moving.

[uttermost]

5 minutes ago, Optimus654 said:

The author is recommending no per country cap. I am for per country cap but no eb1c abuse

okay. I'm s0rry. I am only a casual reader, and didn't catch this nuance.

[tennisluvr]

Just now, Optimus654 said:

Correct. Strategic partners of USA will fight tooth and nail to protect their citizens. The bill will go no where. I would say we should fight for minimum salary for eb1c applicant. Sagam scrap pothundi. Eb2 will start moving.

I think they should set this around 120k/annum to begin with. That way if the WITCH corps or any other Indian bodyshops think those candidates are really worth it they would pay them as much. 
If not they don't need them badly enough. 

I oppose this act because if all the Indians waiting in line get their EADs/GCs, it will be catastrophic. We already known the propensity of Indian employees to form their own lobbies based on region, caste, etc. It's left to everyone's imagination how this would become endemic if 400k Indians flood the job market with GCs. 

[tennisluvr]

Just now, uttermost said:

okay. I'm s0rry. I am only a casual reader, and didn't catch this nuance.

Either ways, this law isn't going no where and there will be zero reform of the H1B. Corporates like it the way it is, and nothing else matters. 

[Optimus654]

3 minutes ago, tennisluvr said:

Either ways, this law isn't going no where and there will be zero reform of the H1B. Corporates like it the way it is, and nothing else matters. 

Bruh. Corporates DO NOT like it the way it is. Eb1c abuse is by WITCHES to circumvent the h1b lottery. I have friends working in high tech and investment banking. Their employers want to retain them here but are either unable to get a visa for them in lottery or  promise a GC on time. So they are sending them to Europe or Asia for an year and getting them back to file in eb1. American Corporates are jumping through hoops to get this done. they do not like to do it . But they are being forced now due to unavailability of h1b and GC visas.Minimum wage for an exceptional international tech manager should be set to weed out the scrap. In my mind, this proposal will gain traction as there is already noise to raise the wage for h1b workers.

[uttermost]

1 minute ago, Optimus654 said:

Bruh. Corporates DO NOT like it the way it is. Eb1c abuse is by WITCHES to circumvent the h1b lottery. I have friends working in high tech and investment banking. Their employers want to retain them here but are either unable to get a visa for them in lottery or  promise a GC on time. So they are sending them to Europe or Asia for an year and getting them back to file in eb1. American Corporates are jumping through hoops to get this done. they do not like to do it . But they are being forced now due to unavailability of h1b and GC visas.Minimum wage for an exceptional international tech manager should be set to weed out the scrap. In my mind, this proposal will gain traction as there is already noise to raise the wage for h1b workers.

what an amazing comment man. I'm convinced you are a newbie to this forum.

but my doubt is, if Eb1c can be abused by Indian companies, why can't the 'corporates' you are talking about use it too?

s0rry if the question is silly.

[tennisluvr]

2 minutes ago, Optimus654 said:

Bruh. Corporates DO NOT like it the way it is. Eb1c abuse is by WITCHES to circumvent the h1b lottery. I have friends working in high tech and investment banking. Their employers want to retain them here but are either unable to get a visa for them in lottery or  promise a GC on time. So they are sending them to Europe or Asia for an year and getting them back to file in eb1. American Corporates are jumping through hoops to get this done. they do not like to do it . But they are being forced now due to unavailability of h1b and GC visas.Minimum wage for an exceptional international tech manager should be set to weed out the scrap. In my mind, this proposal will gain traction as there is already noise to raise the wage for h1b workers.

Another way to weed out the low wage workers gaming the system would be to grant them a conditional PR which is only good for let's say 2 years. After 2 years they need to review what their wage is and whether they are able to contribute as promised. If not, no more renewal on their PR and they need to pack up their sh!t and go back. 

[uttermost]

oh okay. I get it. everybody uses Eb1c, but GC is the problem.

 

[tennisluvr]

Just now, uttermost said:

what an amazing comment man. I'm convinced you are a newbie to this forum.

but my doubt is, if Eb1c can be abused by Indian companies, why can't the 'corporates' you are talking about use it too?

s0rry if the question is silly.

The corporates are using it, that's the crux of the matter. They are being forced to use it rather which they would rather not do to begin with. If the EB1C abuse hadn't happened they wouldn't be forced to use this process is what he wanted to convey. 

[uttermost]

Just now, tennisluvr said:

Another way to weed out the low wage workers gaming the system would be to grant them a conditional PR which is only good for let's say 2 years. After 2 years they need to review what their wage is and whether they are able to contribute as promised. If not, no more renewal on their PR and they need to pack up their sh!t and go back. 

All this is like applying burnol to a 3rd degree burn.

the only way to decrease immigration is to increase tax rates for high earners. Everything will settle down, including people who will chose to live in other countries without crowding out the US.

but it won't happen. And there you are right, the corporates won't let it happen.