Lol Ramdev

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4 minutes ago, alpachinao said:

Actual ga ninu kalipit cheppala anukunna but ne name miss chessa anthey

adhi mari...

anthey. I do what I have to, to get people to respond. pogaru ga maatladithey okkadu kooda naatho discussion ki raadu ee db lo malla.

humiliate cheyyali antey, manam kooda koncham taggali ga. andukey aa build up.

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1 minute ago, aakathaai said:

Seelam gurinchi shakeela nijayeethi gurinchi jaggadu neutrical gurinchi nuvvu bhai mucchatinchaali

yes. bhai is a neutrical. you are not.

I still remember bhai trolling me for a post I made ridiculing brahmins.

will a muslim apologist/supremacist do that?

[chittimallu2]

Just now, uttermost said:

very many provide even more security than India does (ie. not regularly jail minorities, condemn them to poverty by excluding them in mainstream and then talk about radicalization and laziness, call them terrorists in all their social interactions casually)

example- Turkey until the last few years. even now Turkish liberals (not fake liberals like Indians, but real anti authoritarians) are fighting their govt at the risk of getting murdered, and shot at, for the protection of refugees pouring into turkey from syria.

even Indonesia, until the last few years.

What security are you talking about? What do you mean by jailing minorities? Are you saying they are being arrested just because of their religion or caste? Even you know you cant argue that stupidly. How can India as a nation exclude them in mainstream? I dont get it, explain me how can this be done? Who is stopping them from achieving whatever they want legally? They are being provided tools in the form of reservation and financial support for education, boarding, food ,etc... what else can the govt and the country do for them?

Your "until the last few years" proves a point that there is a breaking point for anyone. Be happy India hasnt reached that point and no majority wants the minorities to be driven out or of that sorts. Scream how much ever you want, being a Hindu majority nation is the best thing for India, no other religion being the majority will let so much peace and happiness prevail. 

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3 minutes ago, chittimallu2 said:

No one will be perfect even if they try, the best thing is trying to get close to perfection as much as possible. I dont get the moaning about the minority religions in India (caste is a different topic and Im not going there right now). What else do you expect the govt to do for them? They have reservations, financial schemes, some get subsidies for their religious tours, etc. Which other nation offers all these? Do you want the hindus to bend over backwards for them everytime they are seen on roads?

Just googled about Rojava, its a smaller part of an already small country syria. Its like saying one village panchayat has the perfect model so the whole India should be following the same. Maybe works when its a very small group, not practical for 1.3 billion population and several hundred factors influencing. 

ofcourse, no society can reach perfection, people will always be individualistic and tend to move in different directions. but people can keep poking the system. Its like penetration testing, and I see the only reaction to such testing is a backlash, not introspection.

who said 1.3 billion people should live together and follow the same laws? That expectation itself is misplaced.

I think Bhai is a nationalist, but I'm just pointing to the fallacy in your stand, that if Rojava works, it doesn't mean that it can be scaled. It can also mean that people should organize into such smaller groups and try to make it work, than sticking to something that is obviously not working.

irrespective of what you call Rojava (it has an army of around 70,000 fighters), it is an amazing experiment at self administration, and an inspiring model to try and emulate.

 

[chittimallu2]

Just now, uttermost said:

ofcourse, no society can reach perfection, people will always be individualistic and tend to move in different directions. but people can keep poking the system. Its like penetration testing, and I see the only reaction to such testing is a backlash, not introspection.

who said 1.3 billion people should live together and follow the same laws? That expectation itself is misplaced.

I think Bhai is a nationalist, but I'm just pointing to the fallacy in your stand, that if Rojava works, it doesn't mean that it can be scaled. It can also mean that people should organize into such smaller groups and try to make it work, than sticking to something that is obviously not working.

irrespective of what you call Rojava (it has an army of around 70,000 fighters), it is an amazing experiment at self administration, and an inspiring model to try and emulate.

 

It happens only in a Utopian land. Why would any large country as big as India try to break up (organisational wise) and rule themselves, it didnt happen anywhere, it wont happen in India either. 

Also like I asked, Im trying to understand what do you mean by "make it work" I dont get your rant about the majority in India, what harm has been done to the poor muslims or christians (one of them breeds like there is no tomorrow and the other converts everything that has a pulse into themselves). 

[aakathaai]

7 minutes ago, uttermost said:

yes. bhai is a neutrical. you are not.

I still remember bhai trolling me for a post I made ridiculing brahmins.

will a muslim apologist/supremacist do that?

yeah the one who is  posting anti hindu stuff intentionally and provoking ppl in db is always a neutral in your view. he is projecting himself as a sensible person in the disguise of neutral. nuvvu bhai tadika halwa mee antha G pagala neutricals db lo. idhe bayata kooda cheppukuntunnaru

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4 minutes ago, chittimallu2 said:

What security are you talking about? What do you mean by jailing minorities? Are you saying they are being arrested just because of their religion or caste? Even you know you cant argue that stupidly. How can India as a nation exclude them in mainstream? I dont get it, explain me how can this be done? Who is stopping them from achieving whatever they want legally? They are being provided tools in the form of reservation and financial support for education, boarding, food ,etc... what else can the govt and the country do for them?

Your "until the last few years" proves a point that there is a breaking point for anyone. Be happy India hasnt reached that point and no majority wants the minorities to be driven out or of that sorts. Scream how much ever you want, being a Hindu majority nation is the best thing for India, no other religion being the majority will let so much peace and happiness prevail. 

Check the stats on Indian jails. 10 to 1 it is populated by dalits and minorities, sent for small crimes like pickpocketing.

Indian mainstream society can easily exclude minorities (since you don't want to talk about caste) from the mainstream easily. refusing to rent to them pushing them into ghettos, refusing basic civil amenities to those ghettos through corporations, branding any and every muslim organization as potential terrorism, no sharing of political power which affects their ability to build lasting financial networks to bring their own people out of poverty. Ofcourse muslims are not the only groups suffering in India from this.

"until the last few years" means sure, society is constantly changing, sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse. you seem to talk away society changing for the worse (Indian excuse for Hindutva shenanigans) as part of life. It need not be. It can be challenged, even if cool people like @alpachinao will mock you for it as impractical.

its just what they do, because they are not affected by that kind of change. other people are. so fcuk them. They will be affected by other kind of change (in the opposite direction). so let them have that change. everyone should be bothered, and cannot just sit on their presumed 'accomplishment' of building a country like India.

 

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8 minutes ago, chittimallu2 said:

It happens only in a Utopian land. Why would any large country as big as India try to break up (organisational wise) and rule themselves, it didnt happen anywhere, it wont happen in India either. 

Also like I asked, Im trying to understand what do you mean by "make it work" I dont get your rant about the majority in India, what harm has been done to the poor muslims or christians (one of them breeds like there is no tomorrow and the other converts everything that has a pulse into themselves). 

It happened in a lot of places. Wales, Ireland, Scotland are independently governed within the UK.

India can create such federated systems, and not impose imperial tax system like GST (which every state CM happily accepted). such is the level of intelligent discourse towards freedom in India.

Christians are much better off (apart from the dalit converts). lets talk just about muslims. because other minority communities are well off, and have 'respect' in India. muslims are denied their place in India. and they don't have the resources to build networks that can help them, also they are a huge community (inspite of lots of divisions among them).

muslims breed as much as hindus do, in India. even if there's a difference, the difference is too minute. check bihar, UP fertility rates. 

the consensus is poverty leads to more breeding. Not religion.

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8 minutes ago, aakathaai said:

yeah the one who is  posting anti hindu stuff intentionally and provoking ppl in db is always a neutral in your view. he is projecting himself as a sensible person in the disguise of neutral. nuvvu bhai tadika halwa mee antha G pagala neutricals db lo. idhe bayata kooda cheppukuntunnaru

I'm not a neutrical. I hate to be neutral.

[aakathaai]

Just now, uttermost said:

I'm not a neutrical. I hate to be neutral.

mana agenda ki musugu eskuni post lu eskodam deniki frank ga undachu ga nationalist ani musugu eskuni enduku anti post lu eyyadam. 

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21 minutes ago, chittimallu2 said:

It happens only in a Utopian land. Why would any large country as big as India try to break up (organisational wise) and rule themselves, it didnt happen anywhere, it wont happen in India either. 

Also like I asked, Im trying to understand what do you mean by "make it work" I dont get your rant about the majority in India, what harm has been done to the poor muslims or christians (one of them breeds like there is no tomorrow and the other converts everything that has a pulse into themselves). 

I'm not ranting against majority in India. I'm only ranting against people in power in India. They are not the majority. majority of those in power happen to be Hindus. thats all.

 

[Imperial_09]

Endhi ra mee gola...okkadini pattukuni profiling chesi kathal denguthunnaru...

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Just now, aakathaai said:

mana agenda ki musugu eskuni post lu eskodam deniki frank ga undachu ga nationalist ani musugu eskuni enduku anti post lu eyyadam. 

Bhai ni nationalist kaadhu antey, I have to laugh.

chepthunna kadha. he used to troll me very heavily earlier for my anti India posts.

ippudu he realized that there's somewhat of a problem with too much muslim bashing, he suddenly became musugu nationalist aa?

people grow amma. nuvvu thishta veskoni kurchunnav, nationalism ni pattukoni, because your people are the rulers. not everybody has that privilege. 

They can question the nation, and also love it.

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nenem chepthunna antey, don't club bhai with me. I fell out of love with India. He hasn't. its obvious from his posts. which is something I disagree with him. but each to his own.

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40 minutes ago, chittimallu2 said:

What security are you talking about? What do you mean by jailing minorities? Are you saying they are being arrested just because of their religion or caste? Even you know you cant argue that stupidly. How can India as a nation exclude them in mainstream? I dont get it, explain me how can this be done? Who is stopping them from achieving whatever they want legally? They are being provided tools in the form of reservation and financial support for education, boarding, food ,etc... what else can the govt and the country do for them?

Your "until the last few years" proves a point that there is a breaking point for anyone. Be happy India hasnt reached that point and no majority wants the minorities to be driven out or of that sorts. Scream how much ever you want, being a Hindu majority nation is the best thing for India, no other religion being the majority will let so much peace and happiness prevail. 

govt can treat them equal to Hindus, which is impossible because the only way govt (this govt or the congress one) holds power is by excluding them or treating them as separate.

mainstream society can give up its bigotry towards them.

both are not going to happen. 

actually the least anyone can do is admit the country has a problem. I know people agree that minorities are a problem, but defend every action against them as good.

its easier to engage with people like @alpachinao who simply hate everything about muslims and are not worried about being fair to them, than people who don't understand whether the system they defend is actually fair or not, but still want to support the system blindly.

if more people were like @alpachinao, it becomes easy for muslims to ask for separate territory. But most of them insist that the system is fair, and are blind to what muslims face everyday (as a group), so this.

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13 minutes ago, aakathaai said:

mana agenda ki musugu eskuni post lu eskodam deniki frank ga undachu ga nationalist ani musugu eskuni enduku anti post lu eyyadam. 

em agenda kanipinchindi neeku Bhai lo?

ee db lo andaru musugu tho muslims ni thidthunnaru ga. adhi kooda half truths base chesi. vaalla andari kantey Bhai is a million times better poster.