Karma doesn't exist..Truth

[Beardman]

3 minutes ago, uttermost said:

what about your karma?

of being sociopathic monster?

what about that?

😁

[uttermost]

1 minute ago, Beardman said:

People should be ashamed of their religions.Hope someday they wakeup to truth.

religion is okay. Its useful. Its a vehicle to teach morality to people in a way they are accustomed to understand. There's no alternative to religion, in teaching morality to little kids. is there?

you can't depend on schools to teach it, if you do, you'll be training a zombie army that privileges 'reason' above all else, which is also quite dangerous.

besides people are free to believe in whatever they want to, as long as it doesn't suppress others.

religions should be stripped off its political and social power, and let people naturally evolve alternate ways to propagate social moral values. that's all.

[uttermost]

5 minutes ago, Beardman said:

People should be ashamed of their religions.Hope someday they wakeup to truth.

atheists are no better. just follow the new age atheists.. almost all of them are fascists or closet fascists.

In fact, a huge chunk of Hindutva fcuks are actually atheists, who just believe in 'cultural nationalism', and are not relgious.

The idea is not to make people feel ashamed of their anything, but to create an environment where no one ideology is pushed as the ultimate truth, and people evolve their own morals, and fight for it, for themselves and for their group, without imposing it on others.

All religions are okay. They are fine even. It depends on what people take from them.

[Beardman]

2 minutes ago, uttermost said:

atheists are no better. just follow the new age atheists.. almost all of them are fascists or closet fascists.

In fact, a huge chunk of Hindutva fcuks are actually atheists, who just believe in 'cultural nationalism', and are not relgious.

The idea is not to make people feel ashamed of their anything, but to create an environment where no one ideology is pushed as the ultimate truth, and people evolve their own morals, and fight for it, for themselves and for their group, without imposing it on others.

All religions are okay. They are fine even. It depends on what people take from them.

Just an example hinduva promotes all bunch of nonsense  like karma, rebirth, incarnations, pragna yoga, yogic flying, past lives . Do you see morality anywhere in those. 

[Beardman]

people evolve their own morals, and fight for it, for themselves and for their group, without imposing it on others.

 

This doesn't seem to happen unless we strip off religion from politics and make poor people fight against rich hegemony

[uttermost]

Just now, Beardman said:

Just an example hinduva promotes all bunch of nonsense  like karma, rebirth, incarnations, pragna yoga, yogic flying, past lives . Do you see morality anywhere in those. 

Hindutva promotes all sorts of contradictory stuff. The basic premise of Hindutva is in fact moral. It is for equality and fraternity among Hindus, which is not a bad goal.

but since that fraternity naturally doesn't exist, they have to resort to all these uppercaste ritualist, and mythical nonsense to tie people in. Each group gets to believe their own bullshit, and all bullshits are okay, as long as brahmins are at the top. That's how Hindutva became polluted. Its not longer for equality and fraternity, but hodgepodge of every ritualistic crap ever practised in India as long as it doesn't offend brahmins.

I see quest for power, among uppercastes through Hindutva, not morality. Congress had deserted them, especially during 2004-14 rule, and they came back with a bang by making people dumber and dumber. Its all about power.

morality is actually huge impediment if you are on a quest to capture power.

[uttermost]

1 minute ago, Beardman said:

people evolve their own morals, and fight for it, for themselves and for their group, without imposing it on others.

 

This doesn't seem to happen unless we strip off religion from politics and make poor people fight against rich hegemony

technically religion is already stripped from politics, by declaring the state as secular, but politics follows social realities. doesn't exist in vaccuum. 

you can't have a group that is rich, and stop the other group which is poor from using its identity (religion/caste) to fight the richer one.

In fact religion is not much used in politics. For eg. Muslims have almost zero political power in India. caste seems to be a bigger political force, which the BJP claims its fighting, by pushing more and more religion into public life.  At the moment, its the Hindus (both upper and for some reason lower castes too) who use religion in politics. Nobody else is using it.

[Beardman]

1 minute ago, uttermost said:

technically religion is already stripped from politics, by declaring the state as secular, but politics follows social realities. doesn't exist in vaccuum. 

you can't have a group that is rich, and stop the other group which is poor from using its identity (religion/caste) to fight the richer one.

In fact religion is not much used in politics. For eg. Muslims have almost zero political power in India. caste seems to be a bigger political force, which the BJP claims its fighting, by pushing more and more religion into public life.  At the moment, its the Hindus (both upper and for some reason lower castes too) who use religion in politics. Nobody else is using it.

When i say religion, its hinduism. We need a yound generation of athiest leaders for future who advocate the truth not bullshit 

[uttermost]

4 minutes ago, Beardman said:

When i say religion, its hinduism. We need a yound generation of athiest leaders for future who advocate the truth not bullshit 

Forget it. The next gen people born after 90s, are overwhelmingly Hindutva for now. 

It may take a long time for them to understand that they will grow up to be disgusting narcissistic arseholes. Sort of like boomers in the US who fcuked the country. They will fcuk India.

and it will be up to the kids of these kids or their kids, to save India from destroying itself.

[uttermost]

Yeah, all those pretentious Hindutva geniuses on twitter are not going to make India great.

I'm betting a million dollars on it.

first, there are limits to what can be accomplished by humans collectively, by blindly following individualism.

second, they are not half as smart as they think.

[uttermost]

India is a disgusting country. 

Uppercaste Indians are perhaps the most horrible group in the entire world.

 

[Beardman]

10 minutes ago, uttermost said:

Forget it. The next gen people born after 90s, are overwhelmingly Hindutva for now. 

It may take a long time for them to understand that they will grow up to be disgusting narcissistic arseholes. Sort of like boomers in the US who fcuked the country. They will fcuk India.

and it will be up to the kids of these kids or their kids, to save India from destroying itself.

 Its good that i was raised according to my freewill. Won't these gen people(after 90) be questioning their beliefs? thats how they will find the reasons instead of blindly following the faith. Poverty is at peaks and the middle class upper class hindutva thugs are going with blind faith.

[Beardman]

4 minutes ago, uttermost said:

Yeah, all those pretentious Hindutva geniuses on twitter are not going to make India great.

I'm betting a million dollars on it.

first, there are limits to what can be accomplished by humans collectively, by blindly following individualism.

second, they are not half as smart as they think.

I second you 

[uttermost]

3 minutes ago, Beardman said:

Thank god i was raised according to my freewill. Won't these gen people(after 90) be questioning their beliefs? thats how they will find the reasons instead of blindly following the faith. Poverty is at peaks and the middle class upper class hindutva thugs are going with blind faith.

some of them will question it as they face reality, and decide to act to it.

but most of them, won't. They will keep demanding what is good for them, and don't give a damnn about the suffering their demands cause to others.

you are perhaps a small minority of those who are not Hindutva. People who are raised in atheist households have become Hindutva. People who have been libertarian all their lives, have become Hindutva. People who worshipped Howard Roark (Ayn Rand's bullshit hero), an individualist, are now Hindutva.

Its not about religion. Its about power. insecure fcuks everywhere have become Hindutva, along with the ones who are secure in their delusion about tradition.

[Beardman]

4 minutes ago, uttermost said:

some of them will question it as they face reality, and decide to act to it.

but most of them, won't. They will keep demanding what is good for them, and don't give a damnn about the suffering their demands cause to others.

you are perhaps a small minority of those who are not Hindutva. People who are raised in atheist households have become Hindutva. People who have been libertarian all their lives, have become Hindutva. People who worshipped Howard Roark (Ayn Rand's bullshit hero), an individualist, are now Hindutva.

Its not about religion. Its about power. insecure fcuks everywhere have become Hindutva, along with the ones who are secure in their delusion about tradition.

I was from hindu family turned in to athiest