chittimallu2 Posted September 13, 2018 Report Share Posted September 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, uttermost said: Konkan and Tulu prefer to call themselves by their language, rather than as kannadigas, in normal conversation. your point is quite hazy. because you are forcefitting the logic from TG into other places. Perhaps the dynamics of language/cultural politics are unique in each region, that underlines which identity takes precedence. ofcourse chittimallu is wrong to claim that your identity will be Telugu, even if you call yourself Telanganite, but I think he's using the same playbook that you are using, by claiming that Telugu is not an identity. I didnt say your identity will be telugu. Halwa said that but he used region. My point is that a person will be more known by his language than region because language is visible to everyone and is more popular than the region you are from. If someone speaks tamil I will still not know if he is from madras or madurai or if he lives in delhi where he migrated to when he was in his mother's womb, but what I will know for sure is that he is a tamilian. Get my point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chittimallu2 Posted September 13, 2018 Report Share Posted September 13, 2018 1 minute ago, sattipandu said: not necessarily.... totally random, worthless and useless yeah that wont be called Dcik measuring contest then. You can call this useless debate if you want but the statement of yours is not valid here.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttermost Posted September 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, Android_Halwa said: That means its very clear that languages have been there for ever but regions were first named and language followed it later. and so was the naming and identity...but its so unfortunate that some people misinterpreted history and created a fake ideology and crabbily implied it on people for political gains. The region has already been here for ever...its been there...it did not change, but languages has been ever changing.. take the example of gulf states...they all speak arabic but their identity is different even though they speak similar language...why ? Its the region that defines them, not the language. Look at Malayali...its been names after the region Malabar.. Historically, all the languages are names after the regions...if some one asks you where is such a language like mongolian is spoken and the answer is Mongolia...but not anything else...because, thats how the society is shaped up.. Look at USA where there is one common language...east coast..west coast...new england, mid atlantic, south atlantic..mid centrral, midwest, south...you are identified by the state or the zone but not english or any thing else... Look at Northern States, the hindi belt...even though they speak HIndi, they are identified by their regions..bundelkhand,chambal,madhyapradesh,uttar pradesh, bihari, jharkhand, haryanvi etc... Take the example of Europe...its a misconception that language defined their borders but its ethnicity that defined their borders and language was part of this but not a whole single reason .... okay. but what about sub regional identities? a swede born in Finland and living in Finland for 3 generations is still identified (including self identification) as a Swede. Not a Finn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Android_Halwa Posted September 13, 2018 Report Share Posted September 13, 2018 Look at the case of Maharastra... Marathwada...they speak marati...and Vidharba...they speak telugu,hindi and marati... And ratnagiri and Konkan, they speak konkan .... But still called as Maharastrians...Marati Manoos... because they are identified by their state their region...not by their language. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chittimallu2 Posted September 13, 2018 Report Share Posted September 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, Android_Halwa said: Humans are terriorial...this is a fact..and this should explain answers to all your claims. Terrirory defined the human existence and the life they followed...not the language which was not even developed when Human became territorial...even before they drew lines or made a pottery wheel... YOu only said but you could never prove that languages exuisted before regions but goign by my analysis, Yes, regions were well existed even before languages were formed and named... and coming to Karnataka....65% majority and Karnataka is not a historical name, its a modern name given to it in the 1960's rei babu em vaaguthunnavo ardham aithunda school pilladi la okate cassette esthunnav malli malli, I responded to all the above and said you are wrong nuvu malla adhe chepthunnav.. give it a rest you had a mare in this thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sattipandu Posted September 13, 2018 Report Share Posted September 13, 2018 1 minute ago, chittimallu2 said: yeah that wont be called Dcik measuring contest then. You can call this useless debate if you want but the statement of yours is not valid here.. yeah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Android_Halwa Posted September 13, 2018 Report Share Posted September 13, 2018 Punjab and present day Haryana...they were same states but later divided.. Punjabi is identity of someone who belongs to Punjab...paaji..satsri akal...these are the words that go with punjabi.. where as in Haryana..its still punjabi but they call it as haryanvi....tau ji paayi lagoo is the word that goes in this region... but they were together once...how did this happen when language was supposed to be binding thing ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttermost Posted September 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2018 7 minutes ago, sattipandu said: LOL I moved onto F is for Family now try to keep updated I'm not the stalker. you are may be next time give me more that I can work with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chittimallu2 Posted September 13, 2018 Report Share Posted September 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Android_Halwa said: Look at the case of Maharastra... Marathwada...they speak marati...and Vidharba...they speak telugu,hindi and marati... And ratnagiri and Konkan, they speak konkan .... But still called as Maharastrians...Marati Manoos... because they are identified by their state their region...not by their language. again stupidity, you cant have 100 names for one region, obviously they were going to name it after the majority ... in this case marathi language so maharastra... they cant call the state as marathateluguhindikonkan Use some mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Android_Halwa Posted September 13, 2018 Report Share Posted September 13, 2018 1 minute ago, chittimallu2 said: rei babu em vaaguthunnavo ardham aithunda school pilladi la okate cassette esthunnav malli malli, I responded to all the above and said you are wrong nuvu malla adhe chepthunnav.. give it a rest you had a mare in this thread well, why don;t you give it a rest ? You cite the example of Karnataka and I citing examples of many other regions.. whats the problem man ? broader concensus makes the point much clear and better. FYI : Follow the first states reorganisation commite and how they failed miserably in redrawing the borders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chittimallu2 Posted September 13, 2018 Report Share Posted September 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Android_Halwa said: Punjab and present day Haryana...they were same states but later divided.. Punjabi is identity of someone who belongs to Punjab...paaji..satsri akal...these are the words that go with punjabi.. where as in Haryana..its still punjabi but they call it as haryanvi....tau ji paayi lagoo is the word that goes in this region... but they were together once...how did this happen when language was supposed to be binding thing ? yeah but if you see a stranger in a bus stop talking punjabi (who is from haryana), you would never know that he is from haryana. So yeah his identity is language... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Android_Halwa Posted September 13, 2018 Report Share Posted September 13, 2018 1 minute ago, chittimallu2 said: again stupidity, you cant have 100 names for one region, obviously they were going to name it after the majority ... in this case marathi language so maharastra... they cant call the state as marathateluguhindikonkan Use some mind Time for you to use your mind.. So...Marathwada was the larger region where people spoke Marati...You claim this as an idenity then what about Konkanese and HIndi speaking people ? not identified ? is that what you mean ? I mean..you seem to be going with a democratioc process of majority... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chittimallu2 Posted September 13, 2018 Report Share Posted September 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Android_Halwa said: well, why don;t you give it a rest ? You cite the example of Karnataka and I citing examples of many other regions.. whats the problem man ? broader concensus makes the point much clear and better. FYI : Follow the first states reorganisation commite and how they failed miserably in redrawing the borders. I am.. nenu em points chepthallenu im only trying to debunk what you are claiming My points were done and i dont want to make anything else. Plain and simple Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Android_Halwa Posted September 13, 2018 Report Share Posted September 13, 2018 Just now, chittimallu2 said: yeah but if you see a stranger in a bus stop talking punjabi (who is from haryana), you would never know that he is from haryana. So yeah his identity is language... oh my god..!!! You are still struck with bus stop and local things...but this does not has anything to do with the question how languages originated or how regions were formed...Don't you think that was the point of debate here ? My claim : I strongly say language was named after the region. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttermost Posted September 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, Android_Halwa said: Punjab and present day Haryana...they were same states but later divided.. Punjabi is identity of someone who belongs to Punjab...paaji..satsri akal...these are the words that go with punjabi.. where as in Haryana..its still punjabi but they call it as haryanvi....tau ji paayi lagoo is the word that goes in this region... but they were together once...how did this happen when language was supposed to be binding thing ? Haryanvi is not Punjabi. lol. Its Hindi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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