uttermost Posted September 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, chittimallu2 said: yeah but if you see a stranger in a bus stop talking punjabi (who is from haryana), you would never know that he is from haryana. So yeah his identity is language... Haryanvi is Hindi. Punjabi is not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chittimallu2 Posted September 13, 2018 Report Share Posted September 13, 2018 Just now, Android_Halwa said: Time for you to use your mind.. So...Marathwada was the larger region where people spoke Marati...You claim this as an idenity then what about Konkanese and HIndi speaking people ? not identified ? is that what you mean ? I mean..you seem to be going with a democratioc process of majority... yeah the Q I asked you is do you know if that marathwada was formed first or if people spoke in marathi before forming that region? See forming regions, in this marathwada was a jursidiction process more or less, which only happens after a group of people settle down there and speak in marathi and have their own civilisation and culture. This is what I was trying to say from the beginning. Language, culture and civilisation go hand in hand and they were formed way before forming regions, cities and states. inka ardham kakapothe nenem cheyyalenu inka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Android_Halwa Posted September 13, 2018 Report Share Posted September 13, 2018 8 minutes ago, uttermost said: okay. but what about sub regional identities? a swede born in Finland and living in Finland for 3 generations is still identified (including self identification) as a Swede. Not a Finn. You are talking about modern society where regions and languages are well established and people move rapidly. altering the demographics... I'm talking about the origins...and when languages originated or regions were formed, people did not move and confluence was very less and so negligible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted September 13, 2018 Report Share Posted September 13, 2018 Endi vayya ee langa Galla gola Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chittimallu2 Posted September 13, 2018 Report Share Posted September 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Android_Halwa said: oh my god..!!! You are still struck with bus stop and local things...but this does not has anything to do with the question how languages originated or how regions were formed...Don't you think that was the point of debate here ? My claim : I strongly say language was named after the region. Im talking about a person's identity and how he/she will be identified by someone else and giving an example about how that is by language. Your claim is wrong, like I said languages existed way before jurisdictions formed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttermost Posted September 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2018 9 minutes ago, chittimallu2 said: I didnt say your identity will be telugu. Halwa said that but he used region. My point is that a person will be more known by his language than region because language is visible to everyone and is more popular than the region you are from. If someone speaks tamil I will still not know if he is from madras or madurai or if he lives in delhi where he migrated to when he was in his mother's womb, but what I will know for sure is that he is a tamilian. Get my point? Halwa is right on a lot of points he makes in this thread. In due course, people from Telangana will be referred to as telanganites or whatever name they call themselves. It is inevitable. The only problem I had with his stance is that he rejects other identities that people can hold, as not worthy of any mention. Telugodu aneytodu ledu ani chepthunnadu. prasthuthaaniki aithey unnadu. I can't see how that identity will go away. especially because as Halwa says it is in fact a feeble identity, which is why it will presist. and perhaps the least pernicious among all identities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Android_Halwa Posted September 13, 2018 Report Share Posted September 13, 2018 1 minute ago, chittimallu2 said: yeah the Q I asked you is do you know if that marathwada was formed first or if people spoke in marathi before forming that region? See forming regions, in this marathwada was a jursidiction process more or less, which only happens after a group of people settle down there and speak in marathi and have their own civilisation and culture. This is what I was trying to say from the beginning. Language, culture and civilisation go hand in hand and they were formed way before forming regions, cities and states. inka ardham kakapothe nenem cheyyalenu inka Exactly, thats my point too...when there is a question of language and region, It has started from region because the local demograhics decide everything...from what they wear and what they eat including what they speak. Language does not decide these factors, its the region that decides. Take example of food habits...its decided by the region...nit because they speak a language. take malayalis food habits..they eat lot of coconut ...its because its abundantly available in the region and so coconut forms major part of the diet, not because they speak malayali... Do you understand the point here ? A region defines a lot of things including the civilization and language... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chittimallu2 Posted September 13, 2018 Report Share Posted September 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, uttermost said: Haryanvi is Hindi. Punjabi is not. They sound very similar to an outsider like me. The tone and accent, I cant tell the difference. I can recognise bengali, gujarati, marathi and all south languages and also punjabi but I cant tell the difference between haryana punjabi (hindi) and punjab's punjabi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sattipandu Posted September 13, 2018 Report Share Posted September 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Luke said: Endi vayya ee langa Galla gola Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Android_Halwa Posted September 13, 2018 Report Share Posted September 13, 2018 Just now, uttermost said: Halwa is right on a lot of points he makes in this thread. In due course, people from Telangana will be referred to as telanganites or whatever name they call themselves. It is inevitable. The only problem I had with his stance is that he rejects other identities that people can hold, as not worthy of any mention. Telugodu aneytodu ledu ani chepthunnadu. prasthuthaaniki aithey unnadu. I can't see how that identity will go away. especially because as Halwa says it is in fact a feeble identity, which is why it will presist. and perhaps the least pernicious among all identities. Telugodu anetodu 1956 kante mundu ledu....edikello madhyalo vachindi ie identity....2014 is the beggining...a historical mistake was corrected....slowly it will diminish... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chittimallu2 Posted September 13, 2018 Report Share Posted September 13, 2018 Just now, uttermost said: Halwa is right on a lot of points he makes in this thread. In due course, people from Telangana will be referred to as telanganites or whatever name they call themselves. It is inevitable. The only problem I had with his stance is that he rejects other identities that people can hold, as not worthy of any mention. Telugodu aneytodu ledu ani chepthunnadu. prasthuthaaniki aithey unnadu. I can't see how that identity will go away. especially because as Halwa says it is in fact a feeble identity, which is why it will presist. and perhaps the least pernicious among all identities. ofcourse i didnt say otherwise either. telanganite is an identity. But all im trying to say like you is that language identity exists too, but i believe language identity is stronger than regional one and made some points on how my case is valid... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Android_Halwa Posted September 13, 2018 Report Share Posted September 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, uttermost said: Haryanvi is Hindi. Punjabi is not. Ledus etu....kastha slang difference vuntadi Haryanvi and hINDI KI...but hindi ardam aye valaki bagane ardam ayitadi...you can make it out easily if its haryanvi or pujjabi.... where as punjabi...lot of difference...we can eaily make it out which one in punjabi and which one is haryanvi... as much as difference between a sardar and chaudary... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chittimallu2 Posted September 13, 2018 Report Share Posted September 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Android_Halwa said: Exactly, thats my point too...when there is a question of language and region, It has started from region because the local demograhics decide everything...from what they wear and what they eat including what they speak. Language does not decide these factors, its the region that decides. Take example of food habits...its decided by the region...nit because they speak a language. take malayalis food habits..they eat lot of coconut ...its because its abundantly available in the region and so coconut forms major part of the diet, not because they speak malayali... Do you understand the point here ? A region defines a lot of things including the civilization and language... Yeah but the region didnt exist in the first place, its just a piece of land without any identity. The people, language and culture (includes the food, dressing whatever you said) gave that piece of land an identity and name... lol again you fool yourself but no one else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chittimallu2 Posted September 13, 2018 Report Share Posted September 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, Android_Halwa said: Telugodu anetodu 1956 kante mundu ledu....edikello madhyalo vachindi ie identity....2014 is the beggining...a historical mistake was corrected....slowly it will diminish... 1956 ki mundu lenidi telugu state (or andhra pradesh state)... but telugodu existed from many centuries because there were telugu speaking people since then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttermost Posted September 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, Android_Halwa said: You are talking about modern society where regions and languages are well established and people move rapidly. altering the demographics... I'm talking about the origins...and when languages originated or regions were formed, people did not move and confluence was very less and so negligible. okay. But there are sub-regional identities people hold on to. Telangana is the perfect neutral identity that is not in conflict another identity, like the Telugu identity. but TamilNadu is not. callin someone a Tamilian actually means he's a Tamilian, not just from a Tamil region. In this case, one can say chennaiite, coimbatorian, etc, but not Tamilian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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