Why can’t be India proud of its Hinduism ?

[futureofandhra]

24 minutes ago, BDurruti said:

wtf are you talking about?

Why are so frustrated to say truth 

[BDurruti]

1 minute ago, futureofandhra said:

Why are so frustrated to say truth 

I don't understand what you are saying.

[DrBeta]

9 minutes ago, BDurruti said:

you are so innocent.

I've seen enough of india, from the dirtiest slums (where I lived) to most hi-brow places. you can call me judgmental, but it stunk of caste - which you so respectfully call as culture.

I'm happy you've found some values to stick to. but I can't get myself to theorize these values after my experiences in india for the past 5yrs.

p.s. I previously lived in India for 8yrs until my early teens, and was born outside India. this is my first extensive look into the underbelly of the 'culture' of India. i really really love India, but not for its culture. I think there's some dynamism among people in india, especially the big cities, but lets not talk about values.

and Hinduism, I don't find it much. except as an afterthought.

Don't mistake culture with caste. I grew with no idea about caste partly because I myself am a hybrid. When I say culture what I mean is, celebrating Diwali not necessarily because you think Rama came back from the forest but because you meet your family. It's the idea of being Hindu, and celebrating the festivals. 

And don't call me innocent. I only choose to see the good and ignore the bad, if there is any. 

[BDurruti]

1 minute ago, DrBeta said:

Don't mistake culture with caste. I grew with no idea about caste partly because I myself am a hybrid. When I say culture what I mean is, celebrating Diwali not necessarily because you think Rama came back from the forest but because you meet your family. It's the idea of being Hindu, and celebrating the festivals.  

And don't call me innocent. I only choose to see the good and ignore the bad, if there is any. 

okay. you are an eternal optimist.

what I mean when I talk about culture is entirely different. It has nothing to do about personal values, but values that are propagated through society through mass activities.

for eg. moharram procession (see i'm doing the balancing act of mentioning a muslim festival first.. hehe), vinayaka chavati procession.

what kind of culture do you think this encourages?

 

[BDurruti]

Durga puja is another example. what began as a perfectly well rounded celebration of dusshera, with muslims, and xians too joining in, is getting increasingly politicized.

recently Spartan (the guy with the highest number of posts) shamelessly lied about some muslims given permission for procession, whereas hindus denied. he must have read it in some whatsapp forward or some RW rag.

this is the kind of competitive bullshit that this 'culture' has encouraged in India.

[BDurruti]

anyway looks like most 'hindus' can only abuse, and drag families into a discussion, and are incapable of defending their political aim to declare India as hindu nation.

eat sh1t losers.

seculars are crap may be, but they are not as crap as you are.

[BDurruti]

16 minutes ago, DrBeta said:

Don't mistake culture with caste. I grew with no idea about caste partly because I myself am a hybrid. When I say culture what I mean is, celebrating Diwali not necessarily because you think Rama came back from the forest but because you meet your family. It's the idea of being Hindu, and celebrating the festivals. 

And don't call me innocent. I only choose to see the good and ignore the bad, if there is any. 

personal values are mostly derived from your interactions with other humans. some of them may be due to religion, but most of them are based on your needs as a person. may be most of the values you picked are from religion. I didn't pick a single value from religion. I was raised by an atheist.

religion is mostly only a political tool. its very rare to see people who keep their religion private.

[BDurruti]

27 minutes ago, DrBeta said:

Don't mistake culture with caste. I grew with no idea about caste partly because I myself am a hybrid. When I say culture what I mean is, celebrating Diwali not necessarily because you think Rama came back from the forest but because you meet your family. It's the idea of being Hindu, and celebrating the festivals. 

And don't call me innocent. I only choose to see the good and ignore the bad, if there is any. 

everybody grows up without much idea about caste. as a 12yr old when I invited a friend of mine, my grandmom made me go buy banana leaves to serve her lunch. its obvious much later why she was so keen.

caste exists in every Indian's life. most of them choose to ignore it. some of them confront it. that's all. but some of them suffer because of it. we cannot call it culture.

[BDurruti]

today's s/w engineers just want everyone to forget everything, and start a 'new India'. good joke fcukers.

give up your job, and come work in a coop in India if you are so keen. lol.

also you are mostly casteists. so your suggestions reek of caste privilege that you have benefitted from, and want to deny other up and coming groups.

[DrBeta]

Just now, BDurruti said:

personal values are mostly derived from your interactions with other humans. some of them may be due to religion, but most of them are based on your needs as a person. may be most of the values you picked are from religion. I didn't pick a single value from religion. I was raised by an atheist.

religion is mostly only a political tool. its very rare to see people who keep their religion private.

It depends, for example I learned being faithful in a relationship from religion, but you can learn the same thing without knowing Ramayana. We need to look at religious epics the same way we look at epics of the current times. For instance, I say Expecto Patronum when I am depressed by thinking happy thoughts to shun away bad thought (aka Dementors). I follow what is taught in Harry Potter, simply because I find something relatable, something that can help me. We need to look at religious scriptures the same way.  Like I said I see religion as a tool to help learn values.

[BDurruti]

2 minutes ago, DrBeta said:

It depends, for example I learned being faithful in a relationship from religion, but you can learn the same thing without knowing Ramayana. We need to look at religious epics the same way we look at epics of the current times. For instance, I say Expecto Patronum when I am depressed by thinking happy thoughts to shun away bad thought (aka Dementors). I follow what is taught in Harry Potter, simply because I find something relatable, something that can help me. We need to look at religious scriptures the same way.  Like I said I see religion as a tool to help learn values. 

okay.

[BDurruti]

nation building is pointless exercise. the existence of nation is purely for matters of commerce.

it exists to support the corporations, that exiss to support the nation.

if you have a sentimental attachment to your nation, you should see a doctor first, before you call for bullshit like Hindu India.

[BDurruti]

people who can't trade with others on their own merit are the ones sustaining this 'nation'.

its not some natural entity that was given to the people by god. lol.

every nation begs each other to accept certain goods in exchange for another.

the existence of nations is purely for this purpose. to broker these transactions to their home corporations benefit.

you want to call your nation Hindu, because some idiots called theirs Islamic? lol. what kind of fool are you?

[BDurruti]

where are the hindutva pigs in this db?

[Undavalli]

2 hours ago, DrBeta said:

India is not proud of it's religion, but culture. Culture evolves from Religion. Religion is a personal choice, not a nation's choice. The US is not proud of Christianity, whoever said that is purely making an assumption. India is not a Hindu nation, but because of the demographics, India has a rich culture, which it should be proud of.... merely being Hindu doesn't make the cut. 

Culture is a byproduct of religion and lifestyle. If you judge sanatan dharma looking through western lens, it will never make sense to you.