We are sanatanis

[Prince_Fan]

Also, you cannot be called a brahmana just because you took birth in a Brahmin family...one can become brahmana by virtue of his qualities

[Tyler_durden]

1 minute ago, Prince_Fan said:

Also, you cannot be called a brahmana just because you took birth in a Brahmin family...one can become brahmana by virtue of his qualities

Adhi yeppudo tungalo thokkaru kada. Ippudu everything is decided by birth. 

[Prince_Fan]

1 minute ago, Tyler_durden said:

Panchama kulamu antaru kada.. who were out of the varna system. Vallu dalits or shudras??

There is no such panchama kulam...varna system lo only 4 divisions...brahmana (intellectual class) kshatriya (administrative classic) vysya (mercantile class) sudra (labor class)....migatha evaina kuda manam create chesinavey...

[Prince_Fan]

1 minute ago, Tyler_durden said:

Adhi yeppudo tungalo thokkaru kada. Ippudu everything is decided by birth. 

vadu veedu decide chesthe facts maaripov...

[Tyler_durden]

Castes, kulamu, varna system vati paina yevvadiki oka clarity ledu aney clarity vachindi naku. Andaru Google lo chuddam vachi ikkada India paina moragadam . 

[RunRaajaRun123]

1 hour ago, Tyler_durden said:

Shudras and Dalits major difference enti ?? Thought they were similar. 

Adaddey idhi teliyakundaney hindustan and India tega stories cheppava nayana ninna, nuvvedho intellectual anukuni neeku replies icha naaku time bokka.

[Prince_Fan]

abbe facts chepthe enduku nacchuthai niku...you will hear what you want to hear !! anthe 

[RunRaajaRun123]

37 minutes ago, Prince_Fan said:

Also, you cannot be called a brahmana just because you took birth in a Brahmin family...one can become brahmana by virtue of his qualities

But why impose religion by birth, isn’t same as imposing a caste.

[Tyler_durden]

4 minutes ago, RunRaajaRun123 said:

Adaddey idhi teliyakundaney hindustan and India tega stories cheppava nayana ninna, nuvvedho intellectual anukuni neeku replies icha naaku time bokka.

Niku thelisthey cheppu leda musko. Ninna atla aindi monna inkedo aindi ani sollu chepaku. 

[RunRaajaRun123]

9 minutes ago, Tyler_durden said:

Niku thelisthey cheppu leda musko. Ninna atla aindi monna inkedo aindi ani sollu chepaku. 

Time bokka bhai neeku replies, tc

[Respected_Sir]

1 hour ago, Tyler_durden said:

Niku thelisthey cheppu leda musko. Ninna atla aindi monna inkedo aindi ani sollu chepaku. 

Aadante 

[prasadr]

On 8/27/2019 at 2:02 PM, lovemystate said:

The only intellectual in India who wanted justice for shudras. AMbedkar was for dalits. Born in a rich shudra family - went to kasi because big fan of hinduism. He was hungry but not allowed to eat in ashram because not brahmin (he had a mooch). Forced to eat from trash with dogs. Later found that the ashram was funded by his caste people. couldnt bear it, studied hinduism properly and became an atheist. His only weakness was atheism which did not go well with all people. He should have taken back his gods and given their control to his people. But anyway started the DK which later became DMK and AIADMK still in TN. Instrumental is fighting against hindi imposition. If not for him we would have been forced to learn a junk language leaving our children with less time for english and other subjects which actually pay us a salary. He is known to tell truth in a very frank way.

 

the amount of KakiRetta in this post is amazing.

This is what happens when incredibly stupid people read incredibly stupid literature written by Leftist cabal.

 

Perriar was an intellectual Atheist?!! That's hilarious. I would challenge anyone in this forum to show one single thing he said or act in manner which took on obvious patriarchy of Islam and Christianity.

Oh wait, this moron at the 70 years of age married a 25 year old girl - perfectly fits in with his borrowed Abrahamic ideals.

Let's not even begin to talk about his great follower KarunaNidhi & his numerous marriages.

 

This moron spread Aryan Invasion theory and propagated Dravidian nonsense even after EACH AND EVERY SCIENTIFIC STUDY debunking. Not sure how this bluff master can be an intellectual. 
When Science proves you wrong, dig in and claim the science is wrong - And these clowns are hailed as intellectuals.

 

One must read Periyar's speeches to see how much as a AsHole this LanjaKodudu was.

Below are some we can make out from his own literature

His hatred to Tamil language, How many people know this b@stard Hated Tamil?
Lies in Islam on castes, This guy was a coward when taking on Islam and Christianity
bogus anti-God policy, this douche selectively targeted, 
‘Telling’ and ‘Doing’ were always at the opposite,
Twisted history, Ex: Aryan Invasion
 strive for the downtrodden? Where? and when?
 Follower of Veeramani’s contradictions and superstitions,

LASTYLY, Periyar was strictly against DEMOCRACY - how many bozos know this fact?

 

Little do people know this b@stard ill treated his first wife & there are many instances of molestation cases against this guy, reportedly molested eveb little girls.

 

Anyone who is equating this fraud with Ambedkar, only need to read what Ambedkar said about Periyar. 

There is lot of alternate FICTION on how much compatible Ambedkar and Periyar's ideals are. Nothing could be farther from truth.

These are the same historians who want us to believe Ambedkar loved Gandhi & Nehru, 

Reality is that Ambedkar hated Gandhi, Nehru and Periyar.

Reality also is that Ambedkar was impressed with RSS.

 

Below are some of excerpts from Ambedkar own life, contrast them with fraud Periyar ->

On Aryan Theory:

“If anthropometry is a science which can be depended upon to determine the race of a people…(then its) measurements establish that the Brahmins and the Untouchables belong to the same race. From this it follows that if the Brahmins are Aryans the Untouchables are also Aryans. If the Brahmins are Dravidians, the Untouchables are also Dravidians….“

On Islam & Christianity:

“To support Democracy because we are all children of God is a very weak foundation for Democracy to rest on. That is why Democracy is so shaky wherever it made to rest on such a foundation. But to recognize and realize that you and I are parts of the same cosmic principle leaves room for no other theory of associated life except democracy. It does not merely preach Democracy. It makes democracy an obligation of one and all.

Western students of Democracy have spread the belief that Democracy has stemmed either from Christianity or from Plato and that there is no other source of inspiration for democracy. If they had known that India too had developed the doctrine of Brahmaism which furnishes a better foundation for Democracy they would not have been so dogmatic. India too must be admitted to have a contribution towards a theoretical foundation for Democracy.“

On idea of India:

“The formula one language, one State means that all people speaking one language should be brought under one Government irrespective of area, population and dissimilarity of conditions among the people speaking the language. This is the idea that underlies the agitation for a united Maharashtra with Bombay. This is an absurd formula and has no precedent for it. It must be abandoned. A people speaking one language may be cut up into many States as is done in other parts of the world.”

“I advocated partition because I felt that it was only by partition that Hindus would not only be independent but free. … When the partition took place I felt that God was willing to lift his curse and let India be one, great and prosperous. But I fear that the curse may fall again. For I find that those who are advocating linguistic States have at heart the ideal of making the regional language their official language.“

On Sanskrit:

Ambedkar was Pro-Sanskrit, know what Periyar felt about Sanskrit?

“Aryans were nomads in different places and picked up different dialects. And what they call today their Sanskrit language is actually a combination of these dialects and languages spoken at different places in different ages. The Sanskrit language has nothing noble in it and the Brahmins spoke high about Sanskrit only to make themselves superior and to humiliate other languages.” 

On Jews:

“That Jews do not have a separate nation and hence no patriotism on their own is a fact that resonated with Brahmins who do not have a separate nation of their own. Is this not a similarity? Jews being obsessed only with themselves cajole those in power and indulge in cunning manipulations to hurt and suck others for their own living. Does not this resonate with Brahmins who with no responsibility cajole those in power and try to dominate others.“

Defending Hindus:

“More important than the question of defending swaraj is the question of defending Hindus under the Swaraj. In my opinion, only when the Hindu society becomes a casteless society that it can hope to have strength enough to defend itself. Without such internal strength, Swaraj for Hindus may turn out to be only a step towards slavery.“

On Mopla massacre:

Where Periyar supported muzzies killing thousands of Hindus, Ambedkar was scathing, no double speak.

“The Hindus were visited by a dire fate at the hands of the Moplas. Massacres, forcible conversions, desecration of temples, foul outrages upon women, such as ripping open pregnant women, pillage, arson and destruction—in short, all the accompaniments of brutal and unrestrained barbarism, were perpetrated freely by the Moplas upon the Hindus until such time as troops could be hurried to the task of restoring order through a difficult and extensive tract of the country. This was not a Hindu-Moslem riot. This was just a Bartholomew. The number of Hindus who were killed, wounded or converted, is not known. But the number must have been enormous.”

 

On Dalit Causes:

Read Periyar's literature, this b@stard hated Dalits to the core. He treated them worse than Brahmins ever did.

 

But Indian historians are such colossal frauds that they have perpetuated all these lies for decades since no one challenged them.

 

[prasadr]

Nice expose on Periyar..

1. EVR advocated Nazi-style anti-Brahminism.

 

Many EVR apologists today indulge in the propaganda that EVR never advocated racial hatred against Brahmins. However, EVR was explicit in his agenda. The magazine he edited, published articles praising the ascendancy of Adolf Hitler and warned Brahmins in Tamil Nadu that they should learn from the plight of Jews in Nazi Germany and opt for course correction. Even after the fall of the Nazi regime, the approach of EVR, particularly when he addressed his cadre, was the same.

“Parpanan (a traditional honorific Tamizh term for twice-born, changed into a derogatory term by Dravidianists) should be driven away from this land,” EVR wrote on 29 January 1954. He further said, “However much a rationalist or atheist, if a person is a Brahmin he should not be allowed in our organizations” (20 October 1967).

A comrade of EVR’s, Ve Aanaimuthu revealed in his book that EVR told his cadre to rudely push away the Brahmin reporters when they came to his place. Sami Chidambaranar in his hagiography of EVR titled Tamizhar Thalaivar (“The leader of the Tamizhs”), writes:

To destroy caste discrimination burn the pictures of Nehru and Gandhi and also the Constitution of India. If all these methods fail to give us results, then we should start beating and killing the Brahmins; we should start burning their houses.

2. The perception of EVR as a liberator of women is propaganda fiction.

 

While EVR is hailed as a great liberator of women, there is barely any evidence of him participating in the most crucial women’s rights movement of his time – the struggle for Sarda Act. Brought on by Hindutvaite Har Bilas Sarda, the Act was supported by both Ambedkar and Gandhi. It ultimately banished child marriage in a giant leap in the fight for women’s rights. Many women from Tamil Nadu too fought for this Act to come to fruition. But EVR was nowhere associated with this struggle. Even his hagiographers accept that he was a feudal playboy (called ‘minor’) who used to visit local brothels. In fact, a hagiographer hails the following incident as a great rationalist strategy:

 

 

When the first wife of EVR Nagammai wanted to go to temple, EVR could not win over her by his arguments. So he secretly went to some of his ‘minor’ friends and showed them his first wife and told them that she was a new Dasi in the town asking them to make her consent to their desires. Consequently they started teasing and stalking her from the temple. Traumatised by this his wife stopped attending the temple. Later she came to know that this was a trick played by her rationalist husband.

Tamizhar Thalaivar

 

 

In a much-circulated urban legend, EVR is said to have advised Dr Muthulakshmi Reddy, who was fighting for the abolition of the devadasi, advised her to counter Sathyamurthy in the legislative assembly with the argument that if being a devadasi was such a sacred position, then Sathyamuthy should start turning the women of his household/caste into devadasis. There is no archival or documentary evidence for this event. Further, this apocryphal urban legend belittles Reddy, who was more influenced by the Advaitic humanism of Sarada and Sri Ramakrishna and needed no advice from someone like EVR.

 

 

3. EVR was virulently anti-Scheduled Communities (SC).

EVR would clearly differentiate between SC non-Brahmins and non-SC non-Brahmins. He also made it clear that he identified himself with the welfare of non-SC non-Brahmins. He ranted in 1950 thus:

 

 

Today in the society there are three major divisions: Brahmins, Shudras and Panchamas. In this, the Brahmins because they are upper castes, are getting the concessions they need. The Panchamas because they are low castes are getting the concessions they need. It is the Shudras who are in the middle, who are suffering from lack of concessions.

Viduthalai (16 April 1950)

 

 

This hatred for the SC community often made him say things that would make any ordinary person cringe.

4. He defamed Ambedkar by saying he was bribed by Brahmins.

This hatred for the SCs ultimately, and naturally, started flowing towards Ambedkar, whose stand on India’s national unity further infuriated him.

 

 

Today Dr Ambedkar had started taking the sterile stand of the North Indians that this nation should not be partitioned. I am afraid that in coming days he would also oppose the Dravidstan demand.

Kudiarasu (8 July 1947)

 

 

Dr. Ambedkar alone somewhat fought for the Adhi-Dravidas (Scheduled Communities). They (Brahmins) went and told him, ‘If you want something for your problem, we may do something. But do not talk for others.’ Ambekdar also accepted that solution for his people. So in proportion to their population they made reservation for SC people in all departments. At least for his people he had got this. But if we ask reservation for us they call us ‘communalist’.

Viduthalai (22 September 1951)

 

 

Even a year after the parinirvana of Ambedkar, EVR attacked him bitterly.

 

 

Ambedkar had some feeling similar to us. He asked me, ‘What can I do for your people?’ I gave him a lot of data. He started talking for us. At once Brahmins fixed a price for him.  He asked 10 percentage reservation for his people in education and government jobs. They said ‘we will make it 15’. The Brahmins knew that even if 25 percentage was given even three or four persons of SC community would not come. And Ambedkar simply signed in that law. He did not bother about the problem of others.

Viduthalai (11 November 1957)

 

 

With time, EVR’s hatred for Ambedkar increased. In his address on the occasion of Pongal in 1968, which was later published in his organisation’s official magazine, EVR accused Ambedkar of accepting “bribe from Brahmins in the form of reservation for his people (SC)” and saying the Constitution was made by the Brahmins.

5. EVR condemned Silappadikaram as Aryan propaganda tool.

In a speech made on 30 March 1951, EVR called Silappadikaram, the great Tamil epic written by llango Adigal, as “nothing but a propaganda tool of Aryans”. Condemning Tamil scholars who were conducting a seminar on the epic, he said:

 

 

Can a true Dravidian or a true Tamizh conduct a conference on Silappadikaram? I can only say that those who conduct a conference on this work are simply those who want to be certified as ‘good boys’ by the Brahmins. What is there in Silappadikaram, except the fact that it is a propaganda text of the Aryans? From the commencement to the end it is filled to the brim with Aryan concepts and nothing else.

Tamil scholar Ma Po Sivagnanam (Ma Po Si) defended Silappadikaram against such attacks by EVR. In a rebuttal he penned against EVR, Ma Po Si wrote:

 

 

So (according to EVR) Kannagi, an individual woman fighting against the miscarriage of justice by a king is an Aryan concept; realizing the miscarriage of justice in his rule, the king voluntarily giving up his life is an Aryan concept; seeing the death of her beloved at once the queen spontaneously dying because of her love is an Aryan concept; Taming the pride of the northern kings who spoke ill of Tamizh is an Aryan concept; Harmonising the politically three-fold divided Tamizh provinces through literature by Illango that is Aryan concept; though born in the lineage of sex workers, Maathavai standing firm in her conviction and love - that is Aryan concept; Kannagi the heroine of the epic is shown as refusing to pray to the deity of love despite being suggested by her Brahmin friend - that is Aryan concept. If all these are Aryan culture set against the so-called Tamizh culture then let us hail that Aryan culture.

 

 

6. EVR had a love-hate relationship with Thirukkural and likened it to excreta.

EVR at one time (1948) praised Thirukkural, like every Dravidianist did, saying it was all rational and anti-Hindu. However, by 1950, he wrote that he also used to condemn Thirukkural as having thoughts contrary to rationalism. And people asked him if the Tamil text too would be gone, what book they would have left. “And I answered them thus: 'I am saying remove the excreta emanating bad smell from the room. And you are asking me if we remove this excreta what should we place in its place?’” (Viduthalai, 1 June 1950)

7. EVR “the economist” said prices of clothes had increased because SC women had started wearing jackets.

 

Cartoon in DMK magazine Murasoli, summarising all of EVR’s anti-SC statements.

 

SC leaders in Tamil Nadu have for long accused EVR of saying, contemptuously, in a meeting that the cloth prices had gone up because the ‘Pariah’ caste women started wearing jackets. In 1963, many Ambedkarite magazines in Tamil Nadu had reported this speech. Anbu Ponnoviam, a venerated historian who had meticulously documented the lives of SC leaders and spiritual personalities, had written that as a keen observer of EVR from 1939, he was one of those who were shocked when he heard EVR offering Pariah women wearing jackets and Pariah men becoming literate as reasons for the rise in cloth prices and unemployment (Nasthikam, 2 March 1963).

A Chennai-based magazine, Ambedkar, in its 1963 November-December issue, pointed out that despite SC leaders strongly condemning EVR’s statement. The proof for the statement came from Dravidianists themselves when the Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam (DMK) magazine Murasoli published a cartoon highlighting the anti-SC mindset of EVR.

 

8. EVR sought the help of the British and Jinnah for his Dravidstan. But both treated him as a useful idiot.

It is a well-known fact that EVR and his movement were pro-British and they also supported the Muslim League in its pro-Pakistan demand. In an interview to a Tamil magazine, Anantha Vikatan, in 1965, EVR expressed how he had hoped that, given the pro-British stand of their movement, the British would hand over the authority to the Justice party. In his own words, “I went and told the British that it was not British honesty to hand over the power to them while we are the ones who have always supported you. The British smiled and said that they now knew only Hindu-Muslim difference and not Brahmin non-Brahmin difference. Then I went and saw Jinnah and asked for his help. He said that your bed (plan) looks good but it lacks the legs to stand on. And he told that only I had to look after my problem. The media wrote that Jinnah had tar-brushed the face of EVR.”

9. Kamarajar, the tallest nationalist non-Brahmin leader from Tamil Nadu, never accepted the racist and anti-Hindu views of EVR.

EVR apologists again indulge in propaganda and many have come to even believe that Kamarajar had respect for EVR and his worldview. In reality, Kamarajar consistently opposed EVR’s worldview. When EVR and his cohorts opposed the conference on Silappadikaram, Kamarajar, who attended and supported the conference, criticised the stand of EVR and his Dravidian movement.

If love for the nation grows then the language will also flourish. Dravidianists criticize Tamizh literature but they seldom do anything positive. To be frank they are actually harming Tamizh language and culture. Why do we oppose the Dravidian movement because it is harming the Tamizh society. So we must oppose this movement. They are creating confusing by instigating Dravidian racial feelings. ... Dravidian movement opposes Purana-Ithihasas. Purana-Ithihasas instill in us sense of justice, Dharmic intelligence and love for the nation. Can we deem these as superstitious?

Senkoal (“Sceptre”, A Tamil Magazine, 1  July 1951)

 

 

Even when EVR expressed his support for Kamarajar in the 1957 election, Kamarajar came out with a statement. Sociologist Llyod Rudolph explains:

 

 

If DK canvassed votes for him out of their own free will, he could not possibly tell them he did not want their votes. On the other hand, he added that Congress could not countenance a communal organization, that is, one excluding or including members on some racial or case basis, and that he “wanted to make it absolutely clear he did not share the views of Mr. E.V.Ramaswami Naicker.”

Indian Express, 14 February 1957, And The Hindu, 16 February 1957 And 10 March 1957: Llyod Rudolph, Urban Life And Populist Radicalism Dravidian Politics In Madras, The Journal Of Asian Studies, Vol 20, No 3 (May 1961)

 

 

Then chief minister Kamarajar passed a new Dramatic Performance Act. It was specifically aimed at stopping the obscenely racist anti-Ramayana plays which M R Radha, a disciple of EVR, was staging. Later, when DMK came to power defeating Kamarajar, EVR in a speech before his death expressed his happiness at the defeat of Kamarajar.

 

 

10. EVR could never bring himself to condemn the massacre of landless SC labourers by non-Brahmin land owners in Keezhvenmani, Tamil Nadu.

On 25 December 1968, a group of 44 women and children, the families of SC agricultural landless workers striking for a wage hike, were burnt to death by henchmen of non-Brahmin landlords in a village in Thanjavur district of Tamil Nadu. EVR, in a statement condemning the incident, called it the result of a communist conspiracy against the then ruling DMK government. He said:

 

 

The workers should be taught to live with what they receive as wages. Instead of teaching them that the Communists are trying to instigate the workers into riots and rebellions. Because of that 42 persons have lost their lives. Both the left and the right Communists as well as the ultra-Communists are trying to somehow topple this government. ... Agriculturists of Eastern Thanjavur should not allow the evil force of Communists to spread in their area. Our people should support and strengthen our government instead of weakening it.

 

https://swarajyamag.com/politics/ten-things-about-periyar-dravidian-parties-dont-want-you-to-know

[lovemystate]

shut up you moron. you and your hindutva nonsense. No half decent dalit criticizes periyar. Even mayawati inaugerated the statue of Periyar a tamil in UP. Is there statue of any south indian in remote north india ? 

[prasadr]

3 minutes ago, lovemystate said:

shut up you moron. you and your hindutva nonsense. No half decent dalit criticizes periyar. Even mayawati inaugerated the statue of Periyar a tamil in UP. Is there statue of any south indian in remote north india ? 

 

And this LanjaK is preaching that he does not post against HINDUISM.

This same LamdiK is praising a b@stard like Periyar who hates Hinduism & wants us to stop posting against Islam and Christianity.

 

Wonder how these types mundaK's are born.

 

Still, anyone wants to genuinely debate on how Periyar was a reformist, I would happily welcome them,

These are excerpts from Periyar as well as Ambedkar's life.

Where Ambedkar was/is a legend, Periyar is  fit to only eat