Half of TSRTC to go private

[Migilindi23]

50 minutes ago, reality said:

I ask the same question... why there was no single instance of strike during his tenure. That’s the whole point. Thanks for making it easy to articulate.

It’s Called the leadership. He responded when it’s needed with heart. You can say whatever you want 

[crashnburn]

5 hours ago, Migilindi23 said:

It’s Called the leadership. He responded when it’s needed with heart. You can say whatever you want 

he thinks that its because people have some grudge on KCR, or that they are trying to railroad him.

he has great insight about 'strong' leadership from movies he watches. lol.

[crashnburn]

8 hours ago, Android_Halwa said:

Yeah the L and T plan appear to be CBN type of PPT until it happens for real...

The metro region of RTC will be managed in PPP model, RTC will still set the prices, act more like a nodal authority on pricing but route planning and optimization would be done in sync with metro corridors...

Until it happens two years from now, it will be a PPT

ninna just oka gut feeling tho comment vesa ee thread lo, naakemi telidu ee issue gurinchi.

ee roju just oka 2 videos 20mins each choosa. one from union's perspective, and one against this strike.

nenu telusukunnadhi from union's perspective

1. kcr promised to join rtc into govt dept. he now doesn't want to

2. RTC running on profits during YSR, and even until 2014, and now it has incurred losses due to some policies of this govt (like not reimbursing revenue loss from subsidies, using money from workers cooperative for the govt and further bankrupting them etc)

3. RTC workers have gone down in number from 57k to 50k since 2014, while the traffic has increased 3 times, and occupany rates increased 50%.

4. govt has not givnn money to buy new fleet, while it has given private operators debbai lakhsalu (not sure what debbai is, 50 probably) per bus to operate in the city

5. salaries of RTC are not on par with other states etc.

6. management is crap. there has not been a professional MD since the state formation. 

deeniki counterpoint, although different debates:

1. RTC is a corporation and should find ways to improve their revenue, by providing auxiliary services like cargo etc

2. RTC joining with govt is actually a net loss to RTC corporation and its workers because RTC has the capacity to pay its employees at a higher grade than other govt employees if it functions to its limits.

3. govts cannot subsidize RTC for the amount that they demand. It has never happened in history.

4. RTC is a very rich organization with lots of assets that must be put to use, and that's what KCR is trying to get them do.

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union ki counterpoint aey correct anukunna, it means that RTC management is at fault for not exploring new revenue streams, and training employees. 

deeniki nuvvu privatization ani kathani ekkadiko teeskellav. malli nuvvu discussion lo balance testhaav ani okadu neeku vatthasu palukuthunnadu. reality ki deggarlo koncham kooda undavu nee arguments.

naakey emi telikunda discussion loki digina anukuntey, neeku kooda emi telidu ani prove chesav. good.

[crashnburn]

if you think RTC can make more money with their assets, help them make it. 

anthey gaani, employees making 50k ani rumors spread chesi, privatize cheste super nadusthundi transport network ani sollu cheppaku

[Android_Halwa]

27 minutes ago, crashnburn said:

ninna just oka gut feeling tho comment vesa ee thread lo, naakemi telidu ee issue gurinchi.

ee roju just oka 2 videos 20mins each choosa. one from union's perspective, and one against this strike.

nenu telusukunnadhi from union's perspective

1. kcr promised to join rtc into govt dept. he now doesn't want to

2. RTC running on profits during YSR, and even until 2014, and now it has incurred losses due to some policies of this govt (like not reimbursing revenue loss from subsidies, using money from workers cooperative for the govt and further bankrupting them etc)

3. RTC workers have gone down in number from 57k to 50k since 2014, while the traffic has increased 3 times, and occupany rates increased 50%.

4. govt has not givnn money to buy new fleet, while it has given private operators debbai lakhsalu (not sure what debbai is, 50 probably) per bus to operate in the city

5. salaries of RTC are not on par with other states etc.

6. management is crap. there has not been a professional MD since the state formation. 

deeniki counterpoint, although different debates:

1. RTC is a corporation and should find ways to improve their revenue, by providing auxiliary services like cargo etc

2. RTC joining with govt is actually a net loss to RTC corporation and its workers because RTC has the capacity to pay its employees at a higher grade than other govt employees if it functions to its limits.

3. govts cannot subsidize RTC for the amount that they demand. It has never happened in history.

4. RTC is a very rich organization with lots of assets that must be put to use, and that's what KCR is trying to get them do.

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union ki counterpoint aey correct anukunna, it means that RTC management is at fault for not exploring new revenue streams, and training employees. 

deeniki nuvvu privatization ani kathani ekkadiko teeskellav. malli nuvvu discussion lo balance testhaav ani okadu neeku vatthasu palukuthunnadu. reality ki deggarlo koncham kooda undavu nee arguments.

naakey emi telikunda discussion loki digina anukuntey, neeku kooda emi telidu ani prove chesav. good.

Good that you spent some time on this RTC issue. 

 

Interestingly, you missed some crucial points. 

Net profit and operating profit are two different things. During YSR reign, APSRTC’s bad loans were written off and government infused funds and for the first time after a decade, APSRTC booked operating profit after bad loans and subsidized travel charges reimbursed completely. Think this happened in 2006.

For buying new buses, I don’t exactly remember but about 2000-3000 buses were purchased under Jawaharlal Nehru Urban Renewal Mission when S Jaipal reddy was Union urban dev minister, and half of it has grant and interest free loans. 

Because of these measures, APSRTC could stay in ‘operating profit’ until 2011-2012. But APSRTc was never in profits after 1996-97 till date. 

[Android_Halwa]

Some facts which you missed, also for the people who think YSR turned APSRTc to profits etc, here are some facts.

During YSR’s regime, APSRTC increased the pace of hiring buses than buying one. The plan of commercializing APsRTc’s Properties to raise additional revenue was also started during this period, MV Krishna Rao who used to be City’s police commissioner, after transferring him to RTC MD, spearheaded these things . However after facing stiff resistance from unions, elections etc, the pace was slowed down. 

VRS scheme was offered to employees two times, once in the late 90’s, and around 2002 and staff was cut down from 12:1 employees to bus ratio to present 8:1

Across the state, 3 bus building units were closed with only one operating now at Miyapur and this happened around 2008.

[Android_Halwa]

KCR as party chief, promised to merge RTC with Government. It is a political move and it cannot be a base point...

[Android_Halwa]

The state government reimburses RTc for subsidized travel and never in the history that this has been paid on time...usually cleared partly over period of time. 

When ever there are increased in diesel charges, govt used to take the burden than increasing the ticket prices and in turn, used to burden the strained balance sheet and it still happens.

[BeerBob123]

[Android_Halwa]

Now the reality: 

After state bifurcation, RTC has been at huge losses and except metro region, no other region is able to make margins. 

Like I said earlier, L and T will have a say now in metro regions transport authority, that does not mean privatizing. RTC will never be privatized, it does not own and maintain buses, they get the buses on hire. Do you understand by this ? 

[Android_Halwa]

@crashnburn

Setu...nuv chepithe vine rakam kadu....TV debates chusi decide aithe etla cheppu ?

[Android_Halwa]

On long distance non stop services, government introduced automatic ticket vending machines which avoids the need for conductor in the buses, barely 10% of the services have summit his feature now although its been more than a decade passed after starting this project, same old thing, faced still resistance from unions that there will be job losses...

RTC MD is an IAS Officer and every 1-2 years there will be new MD, Do you expect things to change in such short tenures for such a large corporations ?

[crashnburn]

15 minutes ago, Android_Halwa said:

Good that you spent some time on this RTC issue. 

Interestingly, you missed some crucial points. 

Net profit and operating profit are two different things. During YSR reign, APSRTC’s bad loans were written off and government infused funds and for the first time after a decade, APSRTC booked operating profit after bad loans and subsidized travel charges reimbursed completely. Think this happened in 2006.

For buying new buses, I don’t exactly remember but about 2000-3000 buses were purchased under Jawaharlal Nehru Urban Renewal Mission when S Jaipal reddy was Union urban dev minister, and half of it has grant and interest free loans. 

Because of these measures, APSRTC could stay in ‘operating profit’ until 2011-2012. But APSRTc was never in profits after 1996-97 till date. 

okay. all this is fine. but it doesnt follow into your claim that privatization will help it. it'll help what?

how will RTC being a 'nodal' body help anyone? will they curb surge pricing? Is it even possible to replace a loss making organization (which is strained of resources to function) into a profitable one just be privatizing it? will it not lead to increase in fares?

it has never happenedi in the history of republics. why not just allow TSRTC to incrase the fare themselves? or implement other non-traffic revenue models by using RTC assets, through some professional consulting.

I only mentioned what was said in the debate. I'm not saying YSR is better than KCR. I accept to an extent that union demands are somewhat tone deaf about what the otehr side is saying, which is true of every union. but the govt is tone deaf to their demands too.

 

[crashnburn]

3 minutes ago, Android_Halwa said:

@crashnburn

Setu...nuv chepithe vine rakam kadu....TV debates chusi decide aithe etla cheppu ?

chepthey viney rakam lo first ee db lo neney. cheppatam sarigga cheppaali.

nuvvu cheppedhi ela undhi antey... 1+1 = 2 kaabatti, 3=4 annattu undhi.

[Android_Halwa]

Just now, crashnburn said:

okay. all this is fine. but it doesnt follow into your claim that privatization will help it. it'll help what?

how will RTC being a 'nodal' body help anyone? will they curb surge pricing? Is it even possible to replace a loss making organization (which is strained of resources to function) into a profitable one just be privatizing it? will it not lead to increase in fares?

it has never happenedi in the history of republics. why not just allow TSRTC to incrase the fare themselves? or implement other non-traffic revenue models by using RTC assets, through some professional consulting.

I only mentioned what was said in the debate. I'm not saying YSR is better than KCR. I accept to an extent that union demands are somewhat tone deaf about what the otehr side is saying, which is true of every union. but the govt is tone deaf to their demands too.

 

Yes, indeed it will help. 

Route optimisation, competing with other players, implementing new technologies and better services, using RTC properties for ancillary revenues etc..

by the way, why privatization issue is coming into the picture ? Who is making RTC private ? Why is the issue about privatization ?