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[Gnan_anna]

15 minutes ago, Android_Halwa said:

RSS/ABVP was there much before the 1960’s but Osmania la valla presence and influence antha ekuva lekunde anukunta...

In General, Right wing politics gained prominence after the emergency. Before that we had a socialist ideology and everything from politics to everyday life was dominated by socialist principles. 

Before 70’s, Right wingers were predominant in western India and north but south lo valla influence and presence which gave rise to left supportive organizations is what it’s hard to believe. Universities were communist favorite places and communist congregations used to happen in the universities. 

Caste politics and dominant castes upper hand is what I believe could have been a major reason for uprisings of the 60’s. 

Im not distorting facts here, It’s a discussion which is meant to discuss about a topic. I welcome harsh criticism. 

Historical ga chusukuntey...nizam ki against ga fight chesina valla lo rss vallu oka important part especially in and around Hyderabad...they were fighting in parallel along with communists who were taking the mainstage in rural Telangana where as hindumahasabha and Arya samaj were active in and around the hyderabad, some parts of nalgonda, warangal....Swami ramanaNda tirtha even though was a hyderabad Congress leader then was tacitly supported by Hindu mahasabha and Arya samaj...as such the then Hyderabad Congress was completely different from the Indian national Congress often in conflict over it's parent party over the issue on princely states....anduke brother nalgonda warangal lo rss ki foundation appatidhi...later on these were taken over by the Hindu deshmukhs and jagirdars in an attempt to restore the lost authority as they were enjoying during nizam reign...even though hms and Arya samaj political principalities were different from that of communists ...they were fighting for the same goal....andukey ippatiki kuda September 17 legacy medha controversy...both groups claim their narrative to be legitimate...as both of them fought against then nizam and razakars...

[Gnan_anna]

31 minutes ago, Android_Halwa said:

RSS/ABVP was there much before the 1960’s but Osmania la valla presence and influence antha ekuva lekunde anukunta...

In General, Right wing politics gained prominence after the emergency. Before that we had a socialist ideology and everything from politics to everyday life was dominated by socialist principles. 

Before 70’s, Right wingers were predominant in western India and north but south lo valla influence and presence which gave rise to left supportive organizations is what it’s hard to believe. Universities were communist favorite places and communist congregations used to happen in the universities. 

Caste politics and dominant castes upper hand is what I believe could have been a major reason for uprisings of the 60’s. 

Im not distorting facts here, It’s a discussion which is meant to discuss about a topic. I welcome harsh criticism. 

Ee political dyanamics Anni kuda pv narsimha Rao book The insider lo Baga cheppindu...even the biography of kaloji lo kuda Baga rasindru....appatlo hayagrivachari Ani warangal lo pedda leader undey...he was a Inc leader but supported by rss organisations too...athanu kuda nizam ki against ga kotladuindu...I think he was later on killed by naxals...so there are lot of contradictions without any exact binaries in the political history of Telangana....

[Gnan_anna]

34 minutes ago, Android_Halwa said:

RSS/ABVP was there much before the 1960’s but Osmania la valla presence and influence antha ekuva lekunde anukunta...

In General, Right wing politics gained prominence after the emergency. Before that we had a socialist ideology and everything from politics to everyday life was dominated by socialist principles. 

Before 70’s, Right wingers were predominant in western India and north but south lo valla influence and presence which gave rise to left supportive organizations is what it’s hard to believe. Universities were communist favorite places and communist congregations used to happen in the universities. 

Caste politics and dominant castes upper hand is what I believe could have been a major reason for uprisings of the 60’s. 

Im not distorting facts here, It’s a discussion which is meant to discuss about a topic. I welcome harsh criticism. 

I appreciate your thought of welcoming harsh criticism brother...

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[Android_Halwa]

17 minutes ago, Gnan_anna said:

Ee political dyanamics Anni kuda pv narsimha Rao book The insider lo Baga cheppindu...even the biography of kaloji lo kuda Baga rasindru....appatlo hayagrivachari Ani warangal lo pedda leader undey...he was a Inc leader but supported by rss organisations too...athanu kuda nizam ki against ga kotladuindu...I think he was later on killed by naxals...so there are lot of contradictions without any exact binaries in the political history of Telangana....

If we want to know about the politics and ideologies of 60’s,70’s and 80’s, The Insider is the book that we need to refer to... P V Narasimha Rao is the real Chanakya of Indian politics and the only one of the kind till date.. He did narrate politics briefly and is incomplete. Wish even Vajpayee also had a book written about his version of politics, together it would have presented a picture of our history. I cannot trust anything else especially our media to know what has happened.  

[crashnburn]

19 minutes ago, Gnan_anna said:

Historical ga chusukuntey...nizam ki against ga fight chesina valla lo rss vallu oka important part especially in and around Hyderabad...they were fighting in parallel along with communists who were taking the mainstage in rural Telangana where as hindumahasabha and Arya samaj were active in and around the hyderabad, some parts of nalgonda, warangal....Swami ramanaNda tirtha even though was a hyderabad Congress leader then was tacitly supported by Hindu mahasabha and Arya samaj...as such the then Hyderabad Congress was completely different from the Indian national Congress often in conflict over it's parent party over the issue on princely states....anduke brother nalgonda warangal lo rss ki foundation appatidhi...later on these were taken over by the Hindu deshmukhs and jagirdars in an attempt to restore the lost authority as they were enjoying during nizam reign...even though hms and Arya samaj political principalities were different from that of communists ...they were fighting for the same goal....andukey ippatiki kuda September 17 legacy medha controversy...both groups claim their narrative to be legitimate...as both of them fought against then nizam and razakars...

Hindumahasabha did not militarize until the Indian army arrived. after which they ran amok. They, along with Arya Samaj were mostly active on fighting for hindus with political agitations, not literal battles, which was what communists did (had to, because doras and razakars were more cruel in the rural areas).

Hyderabad congress didn't even arise out of Indian national congress, but some other organization (i forgot the name I read a whole book on this long time back).

left politics of the 60s, 70s were not against the right wing, but against the Congress, and local powerful people.

rss claiming sep 17 is a recent phenomenon. They were almost nonexistent for the most part, except being part of agitations for hindu rights along with arya samaj.

[crashnburn]

6 minutes ago, Android_Halwa said:

If we want to know about the politics and ideologies of 60’s,70’s and 80’s, The Insider is the book that we need to refer to... P V Narasimha Rao is the real Chanakya of Indian politics and the only one of the kind till date.. He did narrate politics briefly and is incomplete. Wish even Vajpayee also had a book written about his version of politics, together it would have presented a picture of our history. I cannot trust anything else especially our media to know what has happened.  

Its a crappy book. I lost all respect for pv after i read it. almost all of it, fiction. thankfully it is sold as fiction.

[crashnburn]

RSS of the 60s were also socialist. lol. even until 90s, they were socialist.

it suited them because that's how they could control various organizations. they already had people in every dept of the govt, pushing all right wing policies.

now, they've shifted completely to neo-ilberalism, because again, its helpful for them to maintain control.

RSS/Hindu Mahasabha, the bunch of assholes who did the least for India/Hyd's independence but got the most mileage for doing even that little.

[crashnburn]

Other than Rajaji's Swatantra party, every fcuking party in India waas socialist. Swatantra had some really disgusting plans (to revive varnasram) in its manifesto.

lets be clear. there's not a single notable instance of hindu mahasabha fighting for Hyd statehood. They only fought for rights of the uppercaste within that kingdom. 

[Android_Halwa]

20 minutes ago, crashnburn said:

Its a crappy book. I lost all respect for pv after i read it. almost all of it, fiction. thankfully it is sold as fiction.

Yes, it is a crappy book. 

Like I said to know and understand the politics and incidents of an era, not to create an opinion about anyone. 

[crashnburn]

even today, when I flip channels to watch debates on TSRTC strike, the loudest, most articulate voice seems to be coming from the BJP's side.

all amazingly ambitious middle aged men/women who passionately argue for worker rights. while they shamelessly skirt the question that their govt in the center is doing the same thing KCR is doing.

now, these people may be really invested in this issue, and really want to fight for worker's rights, but its funny how it'll all pan out in the future. i can already see RTC being privatized because KCR is an asshole. fighting will only delay the inevitable.

[crashnburn]

1 minute ago, Android_Halwa said:

Yes, it is a crappy book. 

Like I said to know and understand the politics and incidents of an era, not to create an opinion about anyone. 

I have to say the quality of BJP people in TG >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJP in TN.

atleast they are able to make arguments that sound like they care about TG people. haha..

[crashnburn]

3 minutes ago, Android_Halwa said:

Yes, it is a crappy book. 

Like I said to know and understand the politics and incidents of an era, not to create an opinion about anyone. 

communists of the 60s were fighting the socialists. not right wing. because at that time, most socialist were right wing. and all right wing were definitely socialist... haha..

[Gnan_anna]

34 minutes ago, Android_Halwa said:

If we want to know about the politics and ideologies of 60’s,70’s and 80’s, The Insider is the book that we need to refer to... P V Narasimha Rao is the real Chanakya of Indian politics and the only one of the kind till date.. He did narrate politics briefly and is incomplete. Wish even Vajpayee also had a book written about his version of politics, together it would have presented a picture of our history. I cannot trust anything else especially our media to know what has happened.  

Yeah...that book was a good source to know about those days politics...although with a pinch of salt...

[crashnburn]

India moved to neo-liberalism not because of 91 reforms (it was a small reason), but because of reservations for obc which meant that uppercaste middle class were not guaranteed a place in govt institutions.

so slowly they started talking about efficiency, merit, and talk about privatizing everything. because they control the money.

91 reforms are overrated. 

remember all those awesome movies on youth employment in the late 80s, 90s? ofcourse it was because of the centralized crap model India had, but those movies also carried the hidden meaning that 'merit' was not respected in India. the hero was almost always an uppercaste middleclass person with great amibition. lol.