Calling lovemystate..

[bhaigan]

1 minute ago, pottipotato said:

90% of Hindus (including these upper caste Hindus) don't care what brahmins blabber within their own groups. They have their weird rituals from the vedic eras, and present watered down versions for the masses (like in temples, marriages etc).

brahmins don't control Hinduism. All other castes have started owning the hierarchy that was presented to them. Destroying just the head of this snake, doesn't mean that the snake will die. It has the capacity to regrow and mutate into a new worse form.

 

exactly temple owners never belongs to brahmin community,  temple owners either they belong to kamma or reddy

[lovemystate]

6 minutes ago, pottipotato said:

Hinduism is practised purely as a matter of tradition, a habit now. Brahmin role in Hindu life is minimal. It is true of every religion, including islam and xianity. Nobody with a sound mind takes everything a mullah says seriously, unless it is useful.

that brahmins are invited to bless participants in important occasions is just a sideshow. Its not the priests who have power now. Its industrialists, and officers of the state (from few uppercastes, including brahmins) who run the show.

Not true. All the priests still come from one caste. Sideshow is your incorrect reference. As I said it is the concept of purity whihc feeds on to caste. I have seen people feeling uncomfortable in the presence of dalit even when he is well dressed and speaks well - why ? it is just concept of purity which percolates. R venkatraman has the his presidents chair washed because it was occupied by carpeenter person Giani Zail Singh. Religous purity is very important and must be democraticised. if it is not why do you think brahmins wont give up. Its easy for them doesnt even cost them that much money they are already wealthy anyway.

[lovemystate]

6 minutes ago, pottipotato said:

90% of Hindus (including these upper caste Hindus) don't care what brahmins blabber within their own groups. They have their weird rituals from the vedic eras, and present watered down versions for the masses (like in temples, marriages etc).

brahmins don't control Hinduism. All other castes have started owning the hierarchy that was presented to them. Destroying just the head of this snake, doesn't mean that the snake will die. It has the capacity to regrow and mutate into a new worse form.

 

Why dont you read anhilation of caste by ambedkar. it is not just enough to have good intentions - you need to actually read and understand.

[bhaigan]

4 minutes ago, lovemystate said:

I did not oppose brahmins doing their jobs. I did not even ask brahmins to be fired or anything. First wherver people enjoy access to careers or privelges based on birth must end. The most visibile and low effort high reward is priesthood. That can be done in like 6 months - everyone knows where temples are who the pujaris are. 

Regarding media owership - there is really no birth based access especially in south. its pretty much capitalist controlled. in fact apart from south - the entire media in north is under brahmin-banias. The entire english media is under brahmin-banias. It basically reflects the influential caste holding. Morover i have never seen anyone denied ad space in Eenadu or ABN because they come from some caste. So while I want more castes in media i wont call it low effort high reward. I would focus on land reform in rural areas instead. I mean what else can you do really apart from forcible nationalizing it or simply banning them.

Agricultural castes like kammas and kapus or reddie never yield land to lower castes even when it is not profitable for them to hold on to it. its the prestige that comes from land holding. Land re-distribution must be rigorousy enforced.

Once you have dalits owning land and doing priesthood in temples, and invluding other OBCs I feel it will just take a generation for change to spill over to entire society.

land distribution chesthanu ani cheppina pv narasimha rao ni dinchesaru appatlo

[lovemystate]

Just now, bhaigan said:

land distribution chesthanu ani cheppina pv narasimha rao ni dinchesaru appatlo

aadi bondhale..aadu aadi dramalu. He was one of the most castesit fellows. Antha baadha unte temple reforms cheyyachu kadha.

[Beardman]

1 minute ago, lovemystate said:

Why dont you read anhilation of caste by ambedkar. it is not just enough to have good intentions - you need to actually read and understand.

Hindus are in illusion man. Unless you do black magic on them they won't come out of their caste.

[pottipotato]

3 minutes ago, lovemystate said:

I did not oppose brahmins doing their jobs. I did not even ask brahmins to be fired or anything. First wherver people enjoy access to careers or privelges based on birth must end. The most visibile and low effort high reward is priesthood. That can be done in like 6 months - everyone knows where temples are who the pujaris are. 

Regarding media owership - there is really no birth based access especially in south. its pretty much capitalist controlled. in fact apart from south - the entire media in north is under brahmin-banias. The entire english media is under brahmin-banias. It basically reflects the influential caste holding. Morover i have never seen anyone denied ad space in Eenadu or ABN because they come from some caste. So while I want more castes in media i wont call it low effort high reward. I would focus on land reform in rural areas instead. I mean what else can you do really apart from forcible nationalizing it or simply banning them.

Agricultural castes like kammas and kapus or reddie never yield land to lower castes even when it is not profitable for them to hold on to it. its the prestige that comes from land holding. Land re-distribution must be rigorousy enforced.

Once you have dalits owning land and doing priesthood in temples, and invluding other OBCs I feel it will just take a generation for change to spill over to entire society.

you can't ban them. They are free to start and propagate their ideas. Its their right.

similarly its the people's right to call out their bullshit. Just like brahmin bullshit was called out.

yes land reforms is the best. obviously its never going to be implemented for that reason.

The point is, brahmins are an insular group. agreed. Hell, I studied in a school that was 95% brahmin in Chennai for 6yrs. I don't think anyone in this db could've survived that(even the brahmins here). lol. I didn't too. 

but still its not just brahmins who are the problem. Everyone in power, maintain networks to benefit their groups (kamma, raju in particular) are all in the same shitty boat. There's no need to throw our voice in support of them.

[bhaigan]

Just now, lovemystate said:

aadi bondhale..aadu aadi dramalu. He was one of the most castesit fellows. Antha baadha unte temple reforms cheyyachu kadha.

endi ntr kanna castiest aa

[lovemystate]

Just now, pottipotato said:

you can't ban them. They are free to start and propagate their ideas. Its their right.

similarly its the people's right to call out their bullshit. Just like brahmin bullshit was called out.

yes land reforms is the best. obviously its never going to be implemented for that reason.

The point is, brahmins are an insular group. agreed. Hell, I studied in a school that was 95% brahmin in Chennai for 6yrs. I don't think anyone in this db could've survived that(even the brahmins here). lol. I didn't too. 

but still its not just brahmins who are the problem. Everyone in power, maintain networks to benefit their groups (kamma, raju in particular) are all in the same shitty boat. There's no need to throw our voice in support of them.

Yea tambrahms are another level. Actually telugu brahmins other than BJP supporters are somewhat easy going and indivudually can be very nice.  But that does not take away the venality though.

[pottipotato]

4 minutes ago, lovemystate said:

Why dont you read anhilation of caste by ambedkar. it is not just enough to have good intentions - you need to actually read and understand.

That book is on my to-read list forever. And since I'm retiring from political discussions, I don't think I'll read it. 

I'm moving to direct action. directing fcukng of uppercastes. I'm done appealing to their morality. 

I was just curious how you consider some of the most toxic casteism from middle groups like kamma, reddy is less dangerous than brahmins. especially because they are the ones in power.

 

[pottipotato]

5 minutes ago, bhaigan said:

endi ntr kanna castiest aa

pvnr was a snake, who did hindutva on the side. sick fcuk. no respect for him.

[pottipotato]

5 minutes ago, lovemystate said:

Yea tambrahms are another level. Actually telugu brahmins other than BJP supporters are somewhat easy going and indivudually can be very nice.  But that does not take away the venality though.

telugu brahmins are way too nice compared to Tamil ones. ask Paidithalli, kevinusa. 

They are probably scared of talking to their cousins back in TN/USA. lol

[bhaigan]

2 minutes ago, pottipotato said:

pvnr was a snake, who did hindutva on the side. sick fcuk. no respect for him.

Agreed

I know thats the reason he never shined in congress party, and BJP uses this as a political weapon on congress

[pottipotato]

Just now, bhaigan said:

Agreed

I know thats the reason he never shined in congress party, and BJP uses this as a weapon

but that was a different era dude. pvnr was atleast a learned guy, who could be reasoned with somewhat. applies to vajpayee too. okay he was hindutva fcuk, but he had some boundaries that he won't cross.

the current bunch has no such boundaries. This is what happens when you are busy attacking brahmins, and don't notice all that rowdy fcuks that replace them.

 

[bhaigan]

Just now, pottipotato said:

but that was a different era dude. pvnr was atleast a learned guy, who could be reasoned with somewhat. applies to vajpayee too. okay he was hindutva fcuk, but he had some boundaries that he won't cross.

the current bunch has no such boundaries. This is what happens when you are busy attacking brahmins, and don't notice all that rowdy fcuks that replace them.

 

Yes Agreed