Cow Urine Party.. Who all went??

[Chinna84]

5 minutes ago, karthik25 said:

I am not saying that cow urine can cure everything as claimed by some people, although I do agree that it has lot of health benefits. I personally also got benefited. 

 

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But one thing I disagree is when people ask for "scientific evidence".  Modern science has not understood a lot of about the human body. Many of the models used in scientific research is inaccurate. For example, I work on cancer drug discovery. We screen the drugs on cancer cell lines. But the cell lines we use in our labs are so different from the tumor cells in the body. But I can publish that data in reputed journals, and that data becomes "scientifically" accepted. 

Secondly, if we see the long term effects of modern science, many of them are disastrous. For example, pesticides initially were promising. GMOs sounded like a boon. But these are all cancer causing. We made an aritificial sweetner called saccharin. But it also turned out carcinogenic. The scientific data of the initial research of these projects turned out disaster. Even the quality of milk in India went down after scientists tried to improve milk production. 

Scientists have time and again failed, but they are covered up.

The west, particularly, US FDA doesn't want accept traditional Indian medicine. It's as simple as that. 

 

nuvvu nijaalu chebithey voppukoru, vomerica vaado ledho edhaiana thelloda article vesi publish vesthey, yelli line lo ninchuni First vuntaaru idhey batch 

[Kool_SRG]

2 hours ago, Dainichi said:

He attributed his long life to urine therapy

Yes he used to drink his own urine...

[karthik25]

12 minutes ago, Chinna84 said:

nuvvu nijaalu chebithey voppukoru, vomerica vaado ledho edhaiana thelloda article vesi publish vesthey, yelli line lo ninchuni First vuntaaru idhey batch 

ardham chesukunnav bedaru... thanx..

[Ellen]

23 minutes ago, Chinna84 said:

nuvvu nijaalu chebithey voppukoru, vomerica vaado ledho edhaiana thelloda article vesi publish vesthey, yelli line lo ninchuni First vuntaaru idhey batch 

@karthik25 @Chinna84  Babu...blind faith veru , evidence veru. Edo indians chepparu ani kotti pareyadam kaadu.... Mariiii cheap ga teesi parestunnaru paina arguments ni...nen cheppindi medicinal value undachu kani blatant ga anni cure chesestadi ide panecea ante tappu antuna. I did not deny the good effects cow urine or whatever urine therapy has. But konni pranam meeedaki vastuna kani nen cow urine tone cure cheskunta ani konthamandi ( I gave my uncle's example above) deenni overuse chestunaru. My rant is against them. There is a hospital in indore ( u can look it up online) that sells cow urine kit for 9000 rupees per month to cure cancer. Ilantivi nammi janalu mosapotunaru https://www.cowurine.com/ 

Their website says they cure cancer and cardiac diseases. Ilanti claims toni real ga avasaramaina care teeskokunda otti urine taagite aipotada ?

[Ellen]

53 minutes ago, Chinna84 said:

nuvvu nijaalu chebithey voppukoru, vomerica vaado ledho edhaiana thelloda article vesi publish vesthey, yelli line lo ninchuni First vuntaaru idhey batch 

This is really really narrow argument!!! Antha uneducated ani ela assume cheskuntaru? Just because some firangi told medicine eskuntara?  Both extremes are dangerous....people need to have some sort of editing mechanism while making strong statements like "this cures everything" .... 

[Dainichi]

7 minutes ago, Ellen said:

This is really really narrow argument!!! Antha uneducated ani ela assume cheskuntaru? Just because some firangi told medicine eskuntara?  Both extremes are dangerous....people need to have some sort of editing mechanism while making strong statements like "this cures everything" .... 

So bottomline endante all generalizations are stupid anthe ga your argument. 

[Ellen]

29 minutes ago, Dainichi said:

So bottomline endante all generalizations are stupid anthe ga your argument. 

Strong statements like "here is ur cure" are stupid.  It is as stupid  people in high positions making misleading statements like "paracetomol cures corona"....flu ke cure ledu inthavaraku....From either parties. I'm not supporting EBM blindly either....there is a hell lot of business involved. 

how far is discarding proven practices correct just because it is not traditional Indian medicine ?

[Ellen]

4 minutes ago, Dainichi said:

So bottomline endante all generalizations are stupid anthe ga your argument. 

Indians ki oka rakamaina negativity undi...evidence based medicine ante (popularly known as allopathy in india) ...ee negativity valla konni real ga jaragalsina treatments jaragatledu. Healthy lifestyle according to ayurvedic practices nen kudA follow avtanu. Prevention side, no doubt indian practices have some amazing solution. But cure vishyam vachesarki nak English manduloddu ani dustbin lo padesi suffer avtunaru...(annnnitki English mandule correct ani nen atle ) but one has to really give atleast some value to years of scientific research and empirical evidence gathered because of it....am I wrong ?

[Dainichi]

18 minutes ago, Ellen said:

Strong statements like "here is ur cure" are stupid. From either parties. I'm not supporting EBM blindly either....there is a hell lot of business involved. 

how far is discarding proven practices correct just because it is not traditional Indian medicine ?

I don't think people here are making arguments to discard allopathy completely. Are they?

 

[Dainichi]

25 minutes ago, Ellen said:

Indians ki oka rakamaina negativity undi...evidence based medicine ante (popularly known as allopathy in india) ...ee negativity valla konni real ga jaragalsina treatments jaragatledu. Healthy lifestyle according to ayurvedic practices nen kudA follow avtanu. Prevention side, no doubt indian practices have some amazing solution. But cure vishyam vachesarki nak English manduloddu ani dustbin lo padesi suffer avtunaru...(annnnitki English mandule correct ani nen atle ) but one has to really give atleast some value to years of scientific research and empirical evidence gathered because of it....am I wrong ?

Allopathy is based on "one size fits all" kinda funda. I think certain sections don't believe in that funda hence the conflict. 

[Ellen]

11 minutes ago, Dainichi said:

I don't think people here are making arguments to discard allopathy completely. Are they?

 

I figured my statements would pass this confusion. Babas or traditional practitioners make strong statements like "cow urine cures it all...it has no side  effects. it is indian"..this will mislead innocents like my uncle who inturn discard allopathy completely. 

Hence, one should not blindly follow something solely based on faith...as it may lead to misinformation..confusing people who take this arguments seriously. Cow urine party is one such thing. In a country like  india, people with mass sentiments...chala easy ga deenni buy chesi, careless unde pramadam chala undi. So saffron brigade lanti strong influencers, ilanti  strong statements cheyakudadu and my argument was for them; which few people above completely misunderstood thinking i am firangi pleaser

[Ellen]

2 minutes ago, Dainichi said:

Allopathy is based on "one size fits all" kinda funda. I think certain sections don't believe in that funda hence the conflict. 

These sections will go for lifestyle changes and other precautionary kind of living  , esp for those disorders which are lifestyle based, but the number is less.

Migita andaru..as far as I know from the elders in my house or among my relatives...cynical outlook toh they are not taking their treatments as adviced. Avasaram leni chota, you can practice healthy living and do away with meds (I strongly support this in fact). But avasaram unna chota nak mandulu oddu ante kastam..esp tumors etc unnapudu

[karthik25]

@Ellen Actually we have blind faith in allopathy/scientists more than traditional indian medicine. In this thread itself, when someone said that his relative got cured by ayurveda, someone else brushed it aside saying that it is luck.

But there are many arguments that chemotherapy is actually bad for cancer and it increases chances of relapse and metastasis. Still, we have faith in it. Our mentality/education system is corrupted by brainwashing that modern science is the supreme. 

The problem with our country is that there are so many fake babas. But if we consider a genuine baba, then there is nothing wrong if babas are more famous than scientists (julayi movie dialogue). 

I personally know at least 4 people whose advanced stage of cancer was treated and cured by ayurvedic doctors. But FDA won't approve their methods? Guess why? Because its Indian. But another relative of mine signed up for a clinical trial of a new US based pharma-giant's drug. For few months her tumors reduced. But it rebounded so bad that nothing could be done.. and she is no more. FDA's success is all based on hit and trial. There are no definite principles. Indian medicine is based-on principles.

[karthik25]

30 minutes ago, Dainichi said:

I don't think people here are making arguments to discard allopathy completely. Are they?

 

Of course no. If paracetamol is working, it's working. That's it.

[Ellen]

56 minutes ago, karthik25 said:

@Ellen Actually we have blind faith in allopathy/scientists more than traditional indian medicine. In this thread itself, when someone said that his relative got cured by ayurveda, someone else brushed it aside saying that it is luck.

But there are many arguments that chemotherapy is actually bad for cancer and it increases chances of relapse and metastasis. Still, we have faith in it. Our mentality/education system is corrupted by brainwashing that modern science is the supreme. 

The problem with our country is that there are so many fake babas. But if we consider a genuine baba, then there is nothing wrong if babas are more famous than scientists (julayi movie dialogue). 

I personally know at least 4 people whose advanced stage of cancer was treated and cured by ayurvedic doctors. But FDA won't approve their methods? Guess why? Because its Indian. But another relative of mine signed up for a clinical trial of a new US based pharma-giant's drug. For few months her tumors reduced. But it rebounded so bad that nothing could be done.. and she is no more. FDA's success is all based on hit and trial. There are no definite principles. Indian medicine is based-on principles.

Well you put forward some part of your case sensibly..even though I don't agree with some aspects ...i dont have enough knowledge to continue my argument wrt what happens in FDA  👍