How US lost with taliban

[Silverado]

US 2001:we are bringing western democracy to Afghanistan know matter how long it takes

US2020:Ok,we're gonna go,j just don't do another 9/11 ok??

Afghans:we didn't do 9/11,saudis did 

Lol after spending 2 trillion dollars

[TechAdvice]

3 minutes ago, Silverado said:

US 2001:we are bringing western democracy to Afghanistan know matter how long it takes

US2020:Ok,we're gonna go,j just don't do another 9/11 ok??

Afghans:we didn't do 9/11,saudis did 

Lol after spending 2 trillion dollars

leave abt 2 trillion.. 2008 recession was result of afg n irq wars...directly/indirectly...

[Silverado]

3 minutes ago, TechAdvice said:

leave abt 2 trillion.. 2008 recession was result of afg n irq wars...directly/indirectly...

This was quote of Alexander ,better India not send any troops to afghan

“May God keep you away from the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger, and the revenge of the Afghans.”

[Silverado]

We Lost the War in Afghanistan. Get Over It.
After 18 years of war, thousands of lives lost, and hundreds of billions of dollars squandered, the United States accomplished precisely nothing.

Afghanistan has been back in the news lately, but most commentators are missing the big picture. In recent weeks there has been a raft of articles suggesting the United States and the Taliban were nearing a peace deal that would enable the United States to withdraw most, if not all, of its forces there. These rumors prompted immediate warnings from skeptics such as retired Gen. David Petraeus, who failed to win the war on his watch but wants his successors to keep trying, and assorted other hawks who want America’s longest war to continue and still think victory is achievable.

Next up was U.S. President Donald Trump. Eager for another high-profile photo-op, the narcissist-in-chief came up with a scheme to invite Taliban leaders to Camp David and crown the peace deal there. According to some reports, Trump eventually got persuaded to drop this ill-conceived idea, but this latest sign of a White House in disarray may have contributed to the decision to fire National Security Advisor John Bolton earlier this week.

In fact, all this recent juicy hoopla is missing the big picture. We can palaver about peace terms, residual forces, the implications for the upcoming Afghan elections, et cetera, as long as we want, but the cold, hard reality is that the United States lost the war in Afghanistan. All we are debating—whether in talks with the Taliban or in op-ed pages back home—is the size and shape of the fig leaf designed to conceal a major strategic failure, after 18 years of war, thousands of lives lost, and hundreds of billions of dollars squandered.

To be clear, the Afghan debacle is not, strictly speaking, a military defeat. The Taliban never vanquished the U.S. military in a large-scale clash of arms, or caused its forces there to collapse. Instead, it is a defeat in the Clausewitzian sense—18 years of war and “nation building” did not produce the political aims that U.S. leaders (both Republicans and Democrats) had set for themselves. The reason is fairly simple: Afghanistan’s fate was never going to be determined by foreigners coming from 7,000 miles away.

As some of us have been pointing out for years, the conditions for a successful counterinsurgency and nation-building campaign were almost entirely lacking in Afghanistan. The country is isolated, poor, mountainous, and divided into many different ethnonational groups. It has no tradition of democracy, a long history of local autonomy, and a deep antipathy to foreign interference. The central government in Kabul was and remains irredeemably corrupt. Pouring billions of dollars of aid money into the country made that problem worse, and its army and security forces remained ineffective despite prolonged efforts to build them up. The Taliban had sanctuaries in neighboring Pakistan and support from Islamabad (which had its own reasons for providing such aid), which meant it could withdraw when necessary, limit its costs, and wait it out. Lastly, the claim that it was necessary to deny al Qaeda a “safe haven”—a rationale invoked by both Trump and former U.S. President Barack Obama—was increasingly dubious, especially once Osama bin Laden was dead and that terrorist group had morphed and spread to many other countries.

The taproot of the problem, of course, is the enormous difficulty of the sort of large-scale social engineering the United States was attempting in a country so very, very different from it. Trying to turn Afghanistan into a modern, Western-style democracy was an act of extraordinary hubris, and all the more so when U.S. leaders told themselves they could do it quickly. Rejiggering another society’s institutions and culture inevitably generates resentment and unintended consequences, and all the more so when one is using a crude instrument like military power and trying to do it more or less overnight. Fighting and governing are two different activities, and the ability to blow things up with great precision does not confer a similar capacity to shape political

[manadonga]

Afghanistan lo evadikina kastame last2500 yrs nunchi 

british alexander russian andariki defeat ye 

[Sachin200]

 ట్రైనింగ్ icharu ga 79-89 

[Silverado]

10 minutes ago, manadonga said:

Afghanistan lo evadikina kastame last2500 yrs nunchi 

british alexander russian andariki defeat ye 

Agreed  but US lost bcoz of it's arrogance

Their target was laden they should have done covert operation instead of messing up with taliban

[Silverado]

7 minutes ago, Sachin200 said:

 ట్రైనింగ్ icharu ga 79-89 

Training gining

Jujubi man, they (US) trained many countries armies but many of them lost in wars

But

Afghans have that spirit

[kittaya]

3 minutes ago, Silverado said:

Training gining

Jujubi man, they (US) trained many countries armies but many of them lost in wars

But

Afghans have that spirit

Tuning of mind is more important... Turks does the same.. in the name of allah

[Silverado]

Just now, kittaya said:

Tuning of mind is more important... Turks does the same.. in the name of allah

+1

But Afghans have that even from Alexander period when there is no islam

[Sachin200]

1 minute ago, Silverado said:

Training gining

Jujubi man, they (US) trained many countries armies but many of them lost in wars

But

Afghans have that spirit

Entha spirit unna , వెపన్ lekuntey emi chesevaru?  తాలిబన్ tarvatha chela regipoyaru after this I mean 89 tarvatha . 

[Silverado]

Just now, Sachin200 said:

Entha spirit unna , వెపన్ lekuntey emi chesevaru?  తాలిబన్ tarvatha chela regipoyaru after this I mean 89 tarvatha . 

Yes weapons and air strikes important

Weapons they are upgrading even after Americans stopped giving equipment

Soviet era weapons don't work now,so do you feel US giving weapons even now

[Silverado]

10 minutes ago, Silverado said:

Agreed  but US lost bcoz of it's arrogance

Their target was laden they should have done covert operation and kill laden & co, instead of messing up with taliban

@Sachin200 deni pai nee response??

[karthik25]

1 hour ago, Silverado said:

US 2001:we are bringing western democracy to Afghanistan know matter how long it takes

US2020:Ok,we're gonna go,j just don't do another 9/11 ok??

Afghans:we didn't do 9/11,saudis did 

Lol after spending 2 trillion dollars

On a side note, this is the reason why there will never be peace. Defence equipment is a multi-trillion dollar business. The top  exporters are in the west. Top importers are in the east. If there is peace, this sector will collapse- huge loss of revenue, millions of jobs lost etc. 

There will never be peace. 

[Sachin200]

5 minutes ago, Silverado said:

Yes weapons and air strikes important

Weapons they are upgrading even after Americans stopped giving equipment

Soviet era weapons don't work now,so do you feel US giving weapons even now

89 start ayina veela journey eppudu end avutundho 

ఇరాన్ , రష్యా , సౌదీ అరేబియా ( kontha varaku ) Ani antunaru . Idhi Chala debate unna topic and exact evaru supplying Ani. But point out chedam annapudu ee desam ala blam chestundhi Ani verey countries antaye ( evi ayitey supplying Ani antaru)

Money resources stop chedam ani choosaru , but ఓపియం business aapaleru . Chala desala bureaucrats helping .