India's air defence

[futureofandhra]

10 minutes ago, kakatiya said:

Hal tejas, jf 17 , Rafael dassault all are 4+ or 4++ based on advanced avionics they are attached to. 

If we get Rafael's with all bells and whistles .f-16 ki checkmate .. 

 

Fifth gen are only operated and inducted by USA Russia and china. India is developing its own fifth generation while USA and BAE are developing sixth generation  

It will never become reality

they lost the race to pakis 

its shame on those authorities who neglected airforce

worst day was pakis capturing indian pilot n sayin they shot f16

[Android_Halwa]

9 minutes ago, pichhipullayya said:

F-35s are too costly and difficult to maintain compared any european or russian fighters.  So its a blessing in disguise for India.

India should make a deal with Dassault for more Rafale's and transfer of Technology as Mirages proved to be excellent in terms flying hours in IAF.

anyone interested go through below discussion which has comments by some real life pilots & exservice men.

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/commercial-vehicles/254996-iaf-phase-out-mig-21-squadrons-2025-a-3.html

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/commercial-vehicles/182868-combat-aircraft-indian-air-force-107.html

this forum is not politically biased and has proper introspection into the issues.

Cost of procurement and operation is something that Indian Airforce has to worry about. Unlike American budget, Indian budgets are tight when it comes to procurement of aircrafts or invest in R and D. 

Overnight we do not have capability to develop fifth gen fighters and procuring them from other countries is not a option that we can depend upon. 
 

INS Vikrant kosam 30 fighters kosam we will have to shell out few thousands of crores. 

 

[pichhipullayya]

1 hour ago, futureofandhra said:

It will never become reality

they lost the race to pakis 

its shame on those authorities who neglected airforce

worst day was pakis capturing indian pilot n sayin they shot f16

Bro, JF17 fifth gen ani vallu cheptunnaru.. no one really knows, these are not not battle tested.. we need to take most of the defense claims with a pinch of salt..

Cold war Era lo Mig 24 ki tega bhaya pade vallu westren countries later they figured it out its nothing to fear for.

Also most important is not the machine but the pilot in it.

Abhinandan is an example he shot down a newer aircraft with a much older one.

Indian forces undergo rigorous training regimes unlike our neighbors. Out forces may not have best weaponry but people are good passionate and do not fight under fear like neighbors.

we can always find faults with govts but our forces are dedicated and good.

[futureofandhra]

48 minutes ago, pichhipullayya said:

Bro, JF17 fifth gen ani vallu cheptunnaru.. no one really knows, these are not not battle tested.. we need to take most of the defense claims with a pinch of salt..

Cold war Era lo Mig 24 ki tega bhaya pade vallu westren countries later they figured it out its nothing to fear for.

Also most important is not the machine but the pilot in it.

Abhinandan is an example he shot down a newer aircraft with a much older one.

Indian forces undergo rigorous training regimes unlike our neighbors. Out forces may not have best weaponry but people are good passionate and do not fight under fear like neighbors.

we can always find faults with govts but our forces are dedicated and good.

does anyone have proof for this

don't believe news channels 

he might have shot but definitely not f16

am not commenting about forces they r giving their life

talking about authorities giving low quality jets

so many resigned n went for commercial 

 

[kakatiya]

19 hours ago, pichhipullayya said:

Bro, JF17 fifth gen ani vallu cheptunnaru.. no one really knows, these are not not battle tested.. we need to take most of the defense claims with a pinch of salt..

Cold war Era lo Mig 24 ki tega bhaya pade vallu westren countries later they figured it out its nothing to fear for.

Also most important is not the machine but the pilot in it.

Abhinandan is an example he shot down a newer aircraft with a much older one.

Indian forces undergo rigorous training regimes unlike our neighbors. Out forces may not have best weaponry but people are good passionate and do not fight under fear like neighbors.

we can always find faults with govts but our forces are dedicated and good.

No jf17 thunder is not fifth generation and I don't think any made that claim.. may be you are confusing for Chinese fifth generation fighters .. 

[kakatiya]

 

[pakeer_saab]

On 6/19/2020 at 11:42 PM, kakatiya said:

I am mixing the India's political and economy power strength ,the political performance of NDA government with the building "military air defense" in this write up.

Please do not compare Modi with Manmohan or vajpaye, as the current government created a void in political and economical leadership while developing a strategical foreign diplomacy policy. A news propaganda with multiple foreign trips  and forced hugs and kisses with foreign powerful leaders dont display your nation foreign strength.  A series of IT raids and CBI raids to weaken opposition while muting media , practicing censorship of any news that keeps NDA reputation at stake, led to series of unfortunate decisions and the position India is today. 

What india lacks today is the actual strategy of building a strong state by giving the decisive power to the true strategic leaders but not the facist political showmen. 

 

While i appreciate your views on the defense aspect, I smell a PhulCon (Phulka+ Congress) in your subconscious thoughts

you should not forget the fact that India was weakened pretty bad during 10 yrs of UPA, comparing Modi's lack of preparedness to its own performance is a mistake only PhulCons can do at this time

a strategic deal to ensure 42 squadrons for Air force was there since 2004 atleast, why was it ignored for 10 yrs... possible for lack of commissions. Yes nothing gets done without commisions udirng congress

China encroaching Indian territory has been happening many times since 1962, its just that Modi is under more scrutiny now than any govts in the past

India is not in any position to fight autocratic China, add covid mess to the long list of problems, the only choice we had was to stop further encroaching, India has been building border infrastructure for the first time since the great congress gone into demise

next time when you compare in political terms, please ensure the state of Indian defense at the time of the problem and the root cause for that problem

now coming to foreign policy, there has been no doubt that Indian foreign policy has been the best during BJP than non BJP govts, even the vilest critics of Modi accept that

India is using its strategic diplomatic skills for its own interests for the first time in history, outcome of this will surely be great to see

Preparing for war is more important than winning a war, this is what Modi has been doing since 2014

[pakeer_saab]

On 9/2/2022 at 4:01 PM, futureofandhra said:

does anyone have proof for this

don't believe news channels 

he might have shot but definitely not f16

am not commenting about forces they r giving their life

talking about authorities giving low quality jets

so many resigned n went for commercial 

 

this is the problem with low IQ Indians, they expect US to confirm F16 was indeed shot down by 1960's MIG21 which would destroy their Military sales

[pakeer_saab]

On 9/2/2022 at 3:09 PM, pichhipullayya said:

Bro, JF17 fifth gen ani vallu cheptunnaru.. no one really knows, these are not not battle tested.. we need to take most of the defense claims with a pinch of salt..

Cold war Era lo Mig 24 ki tega bhaya pade vallu westren countries later they figured it out its nothing to fear for.

Also most important is not the machine but the pilot in it.

Abhinandan is an example he shot down a newer aircraft with a much older one.

Indian forces undergo rigorous training regimes unlike our neighbors. Out forces may not have best weaponry but people are good passionate and do not fight under fear like neighbors.

we can always find faults with govts but our forces are dedicated and good.

it's always the Man behind the machine that makes it lethal

 

 

[pakeer_saab]

On 9/2/2022 at 2:02 PM, futureofandhra said:

It will never become reality

they lost the race to pakis 

its shame on those authorities who neglected airforce

worst day was pakis capturing indian pilot n sayin they shot f16

and they had to release the pilot in 2 days, else they clearly know what was coming

MiG21 is still in usage due to 10 yrs of neglect by MMS/Antony, it was upgraded to extract more commissions during UPA regime

[futureofandhra]

7 minutes ago, pakeer_saab said:

this is the problem with low IQ Indians, they expect US to confirm F16 was indeed shot down by 1960's MIG21 which would destroy their Military sales

Dude

Is there any proof of f16 was shot

Nothing

Using aged jets n confronting pakis n china is disaster

Many pilots resigned

Facts matter not iq on this issue

[pakeer_saab]

On 9/2/2022 at 2:02 PM, futureofandhra said:

It will never become reality

they lost the race to pakis 

its shame on those authorities who neglected airforce

worst day was pakis capturing indian pilot n sayin they shot f16

India losing to pakis? this statement is enough to let you know you have no clue other than peshal

status nonsense

Pakis are like whores on the street, sold for the highest bidder for a fix

Indian cannot build a strategy for the daily hallucinations of pakis, pakis are available for highest bidder, be it army or govt, we shouldn't even waste our time on pakis but focus on china

BTW balakot strike ki proof adigavu kada nuvvu??

 

 

[futureofandhra]

Just now, pakeer_saab said:

India losing to pakis! this statement is enough to let you know you have no clue other than peshal status nonsense

 

Indian air force weak

You accepted it but denying it

[pakeer_saab]

On 9/2/2022 at 10:51 AM, kakatiya said:

We are still surviving on bisons brother.. 

Ofcourse mirage and jaguars too.. eppudo nenu chinappudu..prior to 1999 Kargil war they might been have effective..but Kargil war tharvatha aina we should have modernized them.. 

 

Lca tejas is yet to prove it's combat capabilities and needs equipped with better single engine.. so I am afraid how long these politics will continue in acquiring a better multi combat role fighter. 

 

Like 1971 china war ..if similar war repeats and if we have to use airfoce (we didn't use airfoce for 1971 war , otherwise only to transport ground troops and supplies).. we don't have fifth generation fighter .. only good news is India had claimed to have captured signatures of China j20s fighters by radar that too in a long range. 

 

Question is are those unknown flying object signature is truly of j20 ?

And since India has acquired sam s-400 system from Russia that delivers next year..there is no way india can purchase f-35 from USA and USA won't sell those fifth generation fighters for customers with s-400.

 

F-35 junks are not suitable for India, it will drain Indian defense budget big time and US is not reliable partners in times of war/conflicts

[pakeer_saab]

4 minutes ago, futureofandhra said:

Indian air force weak

You accepted it but denying it

weak antene kada we can strengthen it

what you need to know is it didnt become weak in 2014