My predictions for upcoming months/years

[chanchala]

1 minute ago, tom bhayya said:

lol capitalists communist country ney marchaaru , democratic countries ni kuda grip lo pettukunnaru u have no idea what they are capable of 

hmmm.. which communist country ni capitalists maarchaaru? Russia na? until Stalin went rogue in the mid 30s, USSR had a huge private sector.

people will lose trust on capitalism if it doesn't benefit them. simple. taravatha its a question if they wanna come on to streets or grumble about it in secret until a charismatic leader unites them.

I think that trust on capitalism is already lost in western countries.

[chanchala]

11 minutes ago, tom bhayya said:

lol capitalists communist country ney marchaaru , democratic countries ni kuda grip lo pettukunnaru u have no idea what they are capable of 

police state is what they are capable of.

capitalist structures are as inflexible as USSR type ones. except here the incentives give people the feeling that they can make it if they try hard.. but they actually cant make it.

USSR didn't bother with setting up a robust imaginary incentive structure, may be because they knew it was a lost cause anyway. or because Stalin was constantly scared of getting murdered, after murdering millions for silliest reasons.

USSR did have some brilliant politiicians and strategists that were lost to the megalomania of Stalin. 

[tom bhayya]

12 minutes ago, chanchala said:

hmmm.. which communist country ni capitalists maarchaaru? Russia na? until Stalin went rogue in the mid 30s, USSR had a huge private sector.

people will lose trust on capitalism if it doesn't benefit them. simple. taravatha its a question if they wanna come on to streets or grumble about it in secret until a charismatic leader unites them.

I think that trust on capitalism is already lost in western countries.

China

[chanchala]

10 minutes ago, tom bhayya said:

China

yeah

[dasari4kntr]

1 hour ago, dasari4kntr said:

my predictions ..for next 10-20 years...(just free assumptions..)

1. People will loose trust on capitalism, communism, democracy...

2. Corporate owned centralized social networks will disappear...

3. Decentralized Digital communism (different to regular communism...) will emerge...

 

37 minutes ago, chanchala said:

1. good one

2 and 3. wrong

communists/anarchists are still either philosophizing the world they live in, or engage in direct action on the streets. They are not in the process of creating tools to take advantage of the digital infra to move the needle towards their goals. They have their reasons. Mostly they don't want to restrict their movement to just geeks and nerds by making it completely about tech. So i guess digital communism is not something that is even on the menu. communists would want it, but they don't want to invest their time on it. so not happening.

corporate controlled social media is aata lo aratipandu. They are just useful tools for the govt to improve mass surveillance. ofcourse some of them may die, some may thrive, its just part of business cycle, but they are happy to play second fiddle to the govt. 

What i see is a partial police state in large parts of the world. With top 10-15% shielded from it, but only because they agree to play ball. 

 

 

27 minutes ago, chanchala said:

Its a long way away. for example, when alternate decentralized microblogs like mastodon came up, it wasn't the left that capitalized on it.

initially mastodon was crawling with leftists, trans activists, anarchists etc. Even the creator himself has mostly liberal or even leftist tendencies, but mastodon is now flush with right wing servers. some of them so hateful that twitter would have banned them a million times. Do you remember the site Gab? it existed way before mastodon, but changed its code to take advantage of mastodon's federated structure and soon mastodon users had to contend with a huge right wing network that constantly belittled them.

its the same story as of the internet. initial days of commercial internet was completely dominated by leftists.. little communities that shared ideas and show off fun products. But eventually it was fascists that mastered the medium.

now almost all discussion boards, discord servers etc are flush with racists talking sh1t and just being unpleasant for no good reason.

in short, right wingers are way more motivated to claim power and it has been proven time and again more successful and enduring than organizing people around an idea. I have seen half of my friends move from being ayn rand libertarians to full blown modi/trump fascist supporters.

 

7 minutes ago, tom bhayya said:

lol capitalists communist country ney marchaaru , democratic countries ni kuda grip lo pettukunnaru u have no idea what they are capable of 

i will try to elaborate my three points bit more... @chanchala @tom bhayya

 

1. People will loose trust on capitalism, communism, democracy...

all these three systems were exploited by rich man (1%)...it didnt help much rest of the people (99%)..in addition mental brainwash to common people...(like follow or fight for one of them..)

 

2. Corporate owned centralized social networks will disappear...

this is very simple...if capitalism fails...all these social networks fails..

why would any one give you free platform to use ...if your not a product...

if there is no capitalism....whats the use of products...?

 

3. Decentralized Digital communism (different to regular communism...) will emerge...

we all saw ..decentralized digital currency...(bit coin...)

some capitalistic morons...treat it as commodity and trading...but its original intention is currency...

so in similar way i guessed..there will be centralized digital governance which could be communal (treat every one same)...no single person worship like modi or trump..etc

and no leadership from specific caste or religion or race...

 

 

all these are just assumptions...

@chanchala ... anarchists  will be there ...was there also... before our current systems (capitalist , communism, democracy, feudal)...thats why wars are happening...the world which we are living in is product of many wars...

[chanchala]

1 hour ago, dasari4kntr said:

1. People will loose trust on capitalism, communism, democracy...

all these three systems were exploited by rich man (1%)...it didnt help much rest of the people (99%)..in addition mental brainwash to common people...(like follow or fight for one of them..)

losing trust on the system is already happening on a large scale. 

but not for the reasons you mention. most people don't really care if the rich man benefits the most from a system. they care if they benefit, even a little.

capitalism especially (because communism is a joke at this point, and democracy is not even a thing) will not just wither way and die in a couple decades. Like all systems, it gets old, rots from the inside until it stinks. and even then it won't die.

The only way it's gonna die is if people find an alternative to it. and that's not an easy thing to do. what capitalism will do, is have a beneficial agreement with the state and expand the scope of the state because markets aren't working for them. This arrangement is what leads to fascism. Most of the world is on that path again. but the difference most govt leaders are dumbfcuks now, and the smart sociopaths are in the corporate sector. so it will play differently from how 1930s did. but mostly people can forget about free markets and 'merit' in the next couple decades.

free markets are no longer useful for capitalists. govt power is. 

1 hour ago, dasari4kntr said:

2. Corporate owned centralized social networks will disappear...

this is very simple...if capitalism fails...all these social networks fails..

why would any one give you free platform to use ...if your not a product...

if there is no capitalism....whats the use of products...?

companies may fall and rise. capitalism will not fall without a push.

capitalism has nothing to do with products or innovation or any such sh1t. Its simple. capitalism is an economic and political system that favours the accumulation of capital over labour. nothing more. 

do you think this is going to fall? do you think business owners will give up control of their business to workers without being threatened with death if they dont. or being provided a value for giving up control of their business?

1 hour ago, dasari4kntr said:

3. Decentralized Digital communism (different to regular communism...) will emerge...

we all saw ..decentralized digital currency...(bit coin...)

some capitalistic morons...treat it as commodity and trading...but its original intention is currency...

so in similar way i guessed..there will be centralized digital governance which could be communal (treat every one same)...no single person worship like modi or trump..etc

and no leadership from specific caste or religion or race...

bitcoin will not usher in digital communism, but digital feudalism. 

the reason why bitcoin is being used as a security to be traded with, than a currency is because bitcoin is worthless as a currency.

bitcoin should be modified in a way to create credit (which is what the modern world runs on) at the cheapest possible rates (close to zero) if bitcoin has any chance at mass adoption. 

the last time bitcoin like system was used (gold backed currencies), interest rates touched 40-50%. its simply not feasible.

1 hour ago, dasari4kntr said:

anarchists  will be there ...was there also... before our current systems (capitalist , communism, democracy, feudal)...thats why wars are happening...the world which we are living in is product of many wars...

 

see, most fascists - or even regular people (who are mostly fascists in the making under the right circumstance) have no idea what they are doing. They have no grand plan for communal living even among people of their own race/religion. most of them fight hard for their share of the pie.

they create institutions to justify taking a larger share with silly claims on 'merit' or some such bullshit. if you think this is gonna go away, you are wrong.

 

[chanchala]

2 hours ago, dasari4kntr said:

1. People will loose trust on capitalism, communism, democracy...

all these three systems were exploited by rich man (1%)...it didnt help much rest of the people (99%)..in addition mental brainwash to common people...(like follow or fight for one of them..)

Losing trust on the system. yes. but who will benefit?

communists/anarchists still haven't taken tech adoption as seriously as the racist right has. 

smartest people in tech may be anarchist, but a lot of mediocre right can silence the lone warrior. 

world is on the path to fascism. only the fascists have the network and the motivation to take power from the elite if the system fails. everyone else is just still debating on identity and such bullshit.

see in this db itself, how much pleasure a lot of people get in praising Trump. And after posting a lot in this db, no one in this db actually agrees with me or engage with me on the details of what I post. except may be Siru. because what I post is not attractive or engaging. Its useless to them.

racism is attractive. being cruel is attractive. its also useful.

tell me who's gonna win a civil war? 100% leftists won't win. they think twice about killing a person. people on the right don't.

btw, I don't mind killing a person. may be I'm not leftist. hehe.. after all I was born into wealth, and am naturally violent.

[chanchala]

@dasari4kntr you are terribly optimistic about the future.

may be because you are from the atheist community emo...

you think if atheists can mount a successful cultural assault on religion, there must be a way to defeat fascists. It required large scale organizing, setting up of ilberal institutions that overrode people's will in the name of rationalisty etc, that's how religion was silenced. Not through debate or persuasion or through science. 

but look around, I bet a majority of atheists are themselves fascists. lol.

some of them liberal fascists.. like the dem party. hehe..

some of them racists. a lot of atheists are racists.

[Democraticcompulsion]

8 hours ago, tom bhayya said:

desi realtors antha 1 day chadivi exam batch their knowledge on real estate is as good as software coolies 

Wrong assumption. Latino, Caucasian Realtors. That Latino friend/colleague helped me with my home. Gave me 2% back from 3% commission he received.

But, does that make their opinion more valid than a desi realtor? 

We need to stop typecasting people.

[chanchala]

14 minutes ago, Democraticcompulsion said:

Wrong assumption. Latino, Caucasian Realtors. That Latino friend/colleague helped me with my home. Gave me 2% back from 3% commission he received.

But, does that make their opinion more valid than a desi realtor? 

We need to stop typecasting people.

first we need to make some sense.

realtors 'opinion' is based on whether you are looking to buy or sell in the market. lite

[Democraticcompulsion]

4 minutes ago, chanchala said:

first we need to make some sense.

realtors 'opinion' is based on whether you are looking to buy or sell in the market. lite

Lol. Illu ippudu konaledu. 2013 lo. Ippudu conversation about housing market matrame. You can't make sense because you made up your mind about your argument. Peace out.

[chanchala]

2 minutes ago, Democraticcompulsion said:

Lol. Illu ippudu konaledu. 2013 lo. Ippudu conversation about housing market matrame. You can't make sense because you made up your mind about your argument. Peace out.

dude don't joke. why do you think a realtor would tell you the truth about anything when his sustenance depends on it? because you are thicker than thick friends?

I have made no argument about an impending recession one way or another. I think recession is immaterial. the key question now is, what happens after a recession. I bet that it won't be a repeat of 2008.

[Democraticcompulsion]

5 minutes ago, chanchala said:

why do you think a realtor would tell you the truth about anything when his sustenance depends on it?

I did mention that it is up to Q3, Q4. Of course that doesn't catch your attention. And I was responding to Tom's assumption that my realtor friends were desis. Also, missed point by you.

Another thing lost on you... He was my colleague. Meaning being a realtor is his second job. His sustenance doesnt depend on housing market.

 

9 minutes ago, chanchala said:

thicker than thick friends?

You are an asshole. Period.

 

 

 

[r2d2]

Ha ha months/years????

कलकी ना करो बात .. बात करो आजकी.. 
forget the past.. don’t worry about future.. enjoy the present.. have fun ..😜

[chanchala]

33 minutes ago, Democraticcompulsion said:

I did mention that it is up to Q3, Q4. Of course that doesn't catch your attention. And I was responding to Tom's assumption that my realtor friends were desis. Also, missed point by you.

Another thing lost on you... He was my colleague. Meaning being a realtor is his second job. His sustenance doesnt depend on housing market.

I don't care about tom's assumptions. I just care about your stupidity arguing based on a realtor's opinion. doesn't matter if its his second, 20th job. 

 

35 minutes ago, Democraticcompulsion said:

You are an asshole. Period.

and you are? look into a mirror my friend.