Freedom of Speech vs Fake News vs Hate speech

[dasari4kntr]

looks like very difficult to define the characteristics of them..

based on my understanding...i made this matrix below...

good discussion is always welcome..happy to change my opinions...

	Is it your Original Thought?	Is it influenced by some one  or  Copied from somewhere?	Is it promoting hatred towards other people?
Freedom of Speech	YES	NO	NO
Fake News	NO	YES	YES / NO
Hate Speech	YES / NO	YES / NO	YES

[chanchala]

I don't understand this matrix at all.

Hindutva fcuks, white nationalist cucks all should have freedom of speech to spout their bile and hatred. What they speak is also freedom of speech.

it should be countered with equal bile and social sanction like extreme mockery. Not ban.

but I doubt society is developed enough to do it. but it is still a goal.

[chanchala]

Everything should be allowed.

and no one should be allowed to form a majority  to control other groups.

its not fake news, or freedom of speech that's a problem.

its social inertia. society is no longer very flexible and dynamic. Every1 is comfortable in their own place and aggressively defends it.

 

[chanchala]

like hoping Kangana Ranaut gets hit by a truck is freedom of speech.

do you think wishing it is wrong, or hate speech?

because when you characterize what Hindutva scum say about muslims in public as 'hate speech', then these 3rd  rate low lives will try to hold you to that standard on your every utterence.

you become a prisoner of your own making, while they keep going on with their hate with no one to stop them.

 

[chanchala]

like I said, you can't fight Hindutva scum or white nationalists with rational arguments.

you think people will be moved to do the right thing out of the goodness of their hearts or because its the rational thing to do.

but you are wrong. people do it because they have incentives to do what they want to do. 

you have to build that incentive structure first if you hope to get them to do what you wish to.

leftists who are poor have that structure... but upper class people who are disgusted with right wing don't. and they don't even want to join the left.

you try to talk about decency, respect and stuff like that while poor muslims are killed, and arrested for no reason.

I don't mean you.. but generally people who want politics of truth and respect. its politics, not a chemistry lab. The idea is to create chaos and benefit from it. both on the right and the left.

[dasari4kntr]

6 minutes ago, chanchala said:

like hoping Kangana Ranaut gets hit by a truck is freedom of speech.

do you think wishing it is wrong, or hate speech?

because when you characterize what Hindutva scum say about muslims in public as 'hate speech', then these 3rd  rate low lives will try to hold you to that standard on your every utterence.

you become a prisoner of your own making, while they keep going on with their hate with no one to stop them.

 

i think its hate speech...

you got played by Fake news...

according to me..kangana issue suppose to be under the bottom of pile of other issues... fake news gave fake importance ..eventually..made you to deliver the hate speech...

[Ryzen_renoir]

I switched to indian twitter feed out of curiosity , man what a utter cesspool .   

I noticed most of the congress accounts have botted trends , understanble because most of the congress /YCP voters are poor / uneducated voters and hence they need to rely on bots to compete with BJP .

But most of BJP supporters are real  , even consisting of several prominent IAS,IPS , retired judges .

According to Twitter Telangana is taken over muslims and AIMIM is controlling whole state and in Andhra Pradesh Jagan is conducting a hindu genocide by using state machinery to destroy native culture and replace them with evangelicals .

What's even worse is most of the people believe this stuff even if they have absolutely no clue about the topic 

[chanchala]

If you don't want chaos.. pls don't indulge in politics.

help the wounded instead. its a very honorable thing to do.

again those who you tend to, will try to stir up chaos. try not to judge them for it.

[chanchala]

3 minutes ago, dasari4kntr said:

i think its hate speech...

you got played by Fake news...

according to me..kangana issue suppose to be under the bottom of pile of other issues... fake news gave fake importance ..eventually..made you to deliver the hate speech...

that's why people troll you here. you don't understand the nature of social groups.

[chanchala]

3 minutes ago, Ryzen_renoir said:

I switched to indian twitter feed out of curiosity , man what a utter cesspool .   

I noticed most of the congress accounts have botted trends , understanble because most of the congress /YCP voters are poor / uneducated voters and hence they need to rely on bots to compete with BJP .

But most of BJP supporters are real  , even consisting of several prominent IAS,IPS , retired judges .

According to Twitter Telangana is taken over muslims and AIMIM is controlling whole state and in Andhra Pradesh Jagan is conducting a hindu genocide by using state machinery to destroy native culture and replace them with evangelicals .

What's even worse is most of the people believe this stuff even if they have absolutely no clue about the topic 

absolutely. BJP supporters are openly bigoted. even professionals, they mention where they work and put up their pic and have no issues saying downright bigoted stuff.

 

[timmy]

"i am a troll" by swati chaturvedi book baguntundhi about social media fake news, abuse, hate speech etc 

[chanchala]

freedom of speech is freedom of speech, dasari boi.

what's this fake news, and hate speech? 

it is just a random thing made up by elites to control free speech.

[dasari4kntr]

9 minutes ago, Ryzen_renoir said:

I switched to indian twitter feed out of curiosity , man what a utter cesspool .   

I noticed most of the congress accounts have botted trends , understanble because most of the congress /YCP voters are poor / uneducated voters and hence they need to rely on bots to compete with BJP .

But most of BJP supporters are real  , even consisting of several prominent IAS,IPS , retired judges .

According to Twitter Telangana is taken over muslims and AIMIM is controlling whole state and in Andhra Pradesh Jagan is conducting a hindu genocide by using state machinery to destroy native culture and replace them with evangelicals .

What's even worse is most of the people believe this stuff even if they have absolutely no clue about the topic 

it remindes me this... (original tweet got deleted)

[dasari4kntr]

4 minutes ago, chanchala said:

freedom of speech is freedom of speech, dasari boi.

what's this fake news, and hate speech? 

it is just a random thing made up by elites to control free speech.

for the first time...you are sounding like Tucker Carlson...

[chanchala]

The only way to escape this madness is to find yourself a safe space.

easy if you are extremely intelligent or gifted artist. you can settle into some research groups or some art projects

otherwise you still need to cultivate a social circle that provides you with the following skill. its not impossible.

but politics... no. I think politics is always chaos. 

to try to rationalize it via compartmentalized categories like fake news is a fools errand. whatever you do, motivated right wingers can do it 100000 times better. never forget that.