MSP, Middleman & Myths: What Has Changed With the New Farm Laws and Who Benefits

[narsy]

Just now, AvakaiBiriyani said:

dispute with the company should not be filed in court anta 😡

amazing kadha. long live modi saab. may he live while his insides rot.

[hyperbole]

[hyperbole]

Just now, hyperbole said:

Basically idi summary of the bill..

[hyperbole]

More than farmers general people will be impacted..they haven’t either thought though or just oversight like other bills

this lady puts a nice summary of some valid points, open the tweet in the browser as it didn’t embed fully.very informative 

 

 

[Picheshwar]

59 minutes ago, narsy said:

annayya.. malli back to square one aa?

issue is farmer incomes are already at record lows. will this bill help improve their incomes is the question.

for eg. did similar bill passsed in bihar 15yrs ago improve farm incomes? No.

competition, etrading platform ivantha thokkalo panchayati. 

People have poor memory or acting like that. Not sure.

 

this has been said I am earlier thread but still they can’t understand.

 

This bill will turn Punjab and Haryana into another supplier of daily labor to the country like Bihar.

poor farmers.

[Hydrockers]

5 minutes ago, Picheshwar said:

People have poor memory or acting like that. Not sure.

 

this has been said I am earlier thread but still they can’t understand.

 

This bill will turn Punjab and Haryana into another supplier of daily labor to the country like Bihar.

poor farmers.

Created lacs if jobs ani pracharam chesukobmvachu

[Sachin200]

9 minutes ago, Hydrockers said:

Created lacs if jobs ani pracharam chesukobmvachu

Mana jagana anna stand amiti ee bill meedha Ani @NiranjanGaaru questioning ? 

[Hydrockers]

5 minutes ago, Sachin200 said:

Mana jagana anna stand amiti ee bill meedha Ani @NiranjanGaaru questioning ? 

He is already bended to modi ani pulka lu already chepparu ga

[RSUCHOU]

2 hours ago, Sachin200 said:

Farmer in UP can go and sell in Gujarat anedhi entha varaku realistic ? Language barrier , local market tho compete avadam etc ?

Madhya pradesh cm already outsiders Ani allow cheyam anadu anta!

Monopoly avadhu andadaniki justification amiti ?

 

 

According to economics, open markets bring price parity. For example, if Onion is being purchased at say 20rs/Kg in Bangalore, and the current rate in AP is 15, people from Chittoor, Anantapur districts will try and sell it Bangalore. That automatically increases the demand in Anantapur and Chittoor districts because the supply is now less while the demand is constant. That way, the price parity is already achieved. In today's world, because of the restrictions the farmer is at a loss. That would slowly be eliminated. Also, when private players with deep pockets start the game, the supply chain, cold storage facilities and food processing units start getting established. Also, cooperative societies get established. For example a farmer with 1 acre cannot afford drip irrigation. But, if you look at cooperative societies like DWACRA groups get established, the farmers can pool in and get drip irrigation for crops. Also, most of the large landholders can start experimenting in cash crops when the processing units get established going away from excess paddy, wheat etc. These bills in my opinion are the nascent steps that would hopefully enable a better agricultural output down the line.

[Hydrockers]

4 minutes ago, RSUCHOU said:

According to economics, open markets bring price parity. For example, if Onion is being purchased at say 20rs/Kg in Bangalore, and the current rate in AP is 15, people from Chittoor, Anantapur districts will try and sell it Bangalore. That automatically increases the demand in Anantapur and Chittoor districts because the supply is now less while the demand is constant. That way, the price parity is already achieved. In today's world, because of the restrictions the farmer is at a loss. That would slowly be eliminated. Also, when private players with deep pockets start the game, the supply chain, cold storage facilities and food processing units start getting established. Also, cooperative societies get established. For example a farmer with 1 acre cannot afford drip irrigation. But, if you look at cooperative societies like DWACRA groups get established, the farmers can pool in and get drip irrigation for crops. Also, most of the large landholders can start experimenting in cash crops when the processing units get established going away from excess paddy, wheat etc. These bills in my opinion are the nascent steps that would hopefully enable a better agricultural output down the line.

Ilantivi paper meda bane untai reality lo ne tough to implement due to corporate mafia

[RSUCHOU]

57 minutes ago, hyperbole said:

More than farmers general people will be impacted..they haven’t either thought though or just oversight like other bills

this lady puts a nice summary of some valid points, open the tweet in the browser as it didn’t embed fully.very informative 

 

 

This is a little skewed argument. Government procures only about 13 of the several crops that are currently grown. Primarily they procure rice and wheat. Also, 40% of the rice and wheat grown in India is left to rot. Indian rice and wheat farmers have not innovated in the last several decades rendering the rice that is procured not exportable. The net estimated loss in that area is 1.8 Lakh crore per year. Several vegetables like Capsicum, Potato etc which are not regulated stay at a constant price almost across the country. Similarly prices of the pulses like Jowar etc which are not regulated are standard. But, the price of the regulated items fluctuates and hits the roof very often. So, regulation might not after all be a solution at all. Also, because of the MSPs and government procurement, farmers are also not seeing beyond the select few crops which is also affecting the soil and yield quality. So, I don't see the points the author makes to be correct.

[RSUCHOU]

3 minutes ago, Hydrockers said:

Ilantivi paper meda bane untai reality lo ne tough to implement due to corporate mafia

Did you know that 80% of the Potatoes that are cultivated in India are procured by the so called corporate mafia? Same goes with Groundnuts, Barley, Jowar etc? Major procurer of Asparagus, broccoli etc are corporates? Corporates are not always bad. 

[hyperbole]

12 minutes ago, RSUCHOU said:

According to economics, open markets bring price parity. For example, if Onion is being purchased at say 20rs/Kg in Bangalore, and the current rate in AP is 15, people from Chittoor, Anantapur districts will try and sell it Bangalore. That automatically increases the demand in Anantapur and Chittoor districts because the supply is now less while the demand is constant. That way, the price parity is already achieved. In today's world, because of the restrictions the farmer is at a loss. That would slowly be eliminated. Also, when private players with deep pockets start the game, the supply chain, cold storage facilities and food processing units start getting established. Also, cooperative societies get established. For example a farmer with 1 acre cannot afford drip irrigation. But, if you look at cooperative societies like DWACRA groups get established, the farmers can pool in and get drip irrigation for crops. Also, most of the large landholders can start experimenting in cash crops when the processing units get established going away from excess paddy, wheat etc. These bills in my opinion are the nascent steps that would hopefully enable a better agricultural output down the line.

Currently even with out any new laws farmer can sell their product at any place they want. That’s how farmers from Bihar are able to sell in Punjab. The problem with law is that it weakens the APMC mandi system which is a fall back option for these farmers. 

80% of the farmers marginal who own less than 2 acres of land and it is impractical to transport to adajacent town let alone adjacent state.

[narsy]

7 minutes ago, RSUCHOU said:

According to economics, open markets bring price parity. For example, if Onion is being purchased at say 20rs/Kg in Bangalore, and the current rate in AP is 15, people from Chittoor, Anantapur districts will try and sell it Bangalore. That automatically increases the demand in Anantapur and Chittoor districts because the supply is now less while the demand is constant. That way, the price parity is already achieved. In today's world, because of the restrictions the farmer is at a loss. That would slowly be eliminated. Also, when private players with deep pockets start the game, the supply chain, cold storage facilities and food processing units start getting established. Also, cooperative societies get established. For example a farmer with 1 acre cannot afford drip irrigation. But, if you look at cooperative societies like DWACRA groups get established, the farmers can pool in and get drip irrigation for crops. Also, most of the large landholders can start experimenting in cash crops when the processing units get established going away from excess paddy, wheat etc. These bills in my opinion are the nascent steps that would hopefully enable a better agricultural output down the line.

what about the cost of transpoting to bangalore? In theory, markets are supposed to work like you described. but in practice, everything is cartelized. Farmer in madanapalle would rather throw his tomato in the roads, than sell it to 1rs/kg to the mandi guy. do you tihnk the people that control the madanapalle market cannot control the transportation out of that market?

yes, that this bill will bring long term benefits is a no brainer. but what are the protections for farmers who will definitely be affected if this law comes into effect. 

but what about short term costs of the bill.. who's gonna bear that burden?

[RSUCHOU]

To all people that consider corporates bad, please also note that the purchasing power of Indians is directly because of corporates. Quality of life is up a notch because India opened it's markets post 1991. Corporates are the key contributors to Indian economy. Not all of them are evil. Not every law that is passed is to benefit corporates. I come from a HUF that owns land in excess of a hundred acres and am very well aware of the ground realities in terms of farm laws. There was a time not in the distant past where my village used to export oranges and groundnut to Maharastra and other places. The farm laws and market yards slowly killed the setup and add to it the draught, there is no cultivation in the majority of the district. If corporates lease out our lands, that would actually trigger a cycle of good things.