The real anti-nationals by Ambedkar

[Telugodura456]

3 minutes ago, DummyVariable said:

Quite how you think that I am defending casteism is beyond me. You were talking about language based identities in your previous posts. Telugus don’t have an identity along language lines. There are two separate states now- maybe more in the future. Your op mentions jealousy because of differences in people and how someone can be called an anti national. Differences can be many imv and your argument for an antinational free country would fail if you look at it that way. 

Duuuuuuude people will always be organized around identities. Birth based ones are disgusting. skill based ones like Language have given us most succesful nations like japan to england to france to korea. 

How is to so hard to understand ? i dont know whether there is some other way to communicate or you are just that closed minded.

 You are basically trying to argue that since there will be identities like language and this may cause differences (despite the fact there is no systemic language based oppression like caste in india) so caste based identities are also OK. 

You talk about caste as some intellectual thing not an actual humiliation because you are a brahmin and caste never insulted you. You insulted others using it. So caste based discrimination for YOU is an abstract speculative thing like so called language based discriminations (which are much more difficult to exist as people speaking different languages live in different areas). I suggest you stop wading in to these things until you develop a heart like a human.

[veerigadu]

1 hour ago, Telugodura456 said:

yea anni "what about" le. But you never want to give up caste - you will come with thousand things.

If everyone gives up their tag name..Appudu Meeru reservations vadilesthara?? Ilane ooru meedha padhi bathukuthara?

[veerigadu]

6 minutes ago, Telugodura456 said:

Duuuuuuude people will always be organized around identities. Birth based ones are disgusting. skill based ones like Language have given us most succesful nations like japan to england to france to korea. 

 

 

How is to so hard to understand ? i dont know whether there is some other way to communicate or you are just that closed minded.

 

 

 You are basically trying to argue that since there will be identities like language and this may cause differences (despite the fact there is no systemic language based oppression like caste in india) so caste based identities are also OK. 

You talk about caste as some intellectual thing not an actual humiliation because you are a brahmin and caste never insulted you. You insulted others using it. So caste based discrimination for YOU is an abstract speculative thing like so called language based discriminations (which are much more difficult to exist as people speaking different languages live in different areas). I suggest you stop wading in to these things until you develop a heart like a human.

It's not discrimination. In reality we humans have hierarchy. It just manifests itself in different shapes and forms. 

Men are better than women. 

Whites are better than non whites.

Europe is better than Africa. 

Agravarns are better than other cassettes. 

These are just some random examples. 

[Tyler_durden]

2 hours ago, veerigadu said:

It's not discrimination. In reality we humans have hierarchy. It just manifests itself in different shapes and forms. 

Men are better than women. 

Whites are better than non whites.

Europe is better than Africa. 

Agravarns are better than other cassettes. 

These are just some random examples. 

Men are Different than women. 

Whites are Different than non whites.

Europe is Different than Africa. 

Agravarns are Different than other cassettes. 

There you go.

[Ayodhyaramayyaips]

7 hours ago, Telugodura456 said:

@Ayodhyaramayyaips @NiranjanGaaru digandi saar. Mee batch vacchindhi - india lo no caste anta. only rich and poor and language divisions anta (hahahah). @Ayodhyaramayyaips intermediate caste, proletarian antu edho annav ga.

This is a great oppurtunitu for you to come and educate and make real your so called anti-caste opposition. Why should i wage a lonely battle on this. Randarra.

Arey idhi na final post ra bhai...ne lanti ara gundu gadu isonti vaati joliki velloddu ra bhai...nuvvu only delhi.la caste gurinchi matladuthu conveniently overlooking the caste opression going on here...neeku entha cheppina artham kadhu ra bhai because if you are born into a dalit or under privileged caste neeku arthamaithadhi...neeku entha sepu telugu language identity aney agenda mundhu pettukoni neo conservative policy thesukuravalanukuntunnav...there is and will be only two identitues ra after abolition of caste ...proletariat and bourgeoisie...instead you want to bring another exploitative factor to replace caste, that is language...language is a modicum of communication that's it...try to realise that , it doesn't have any importance to work done by humans to bring the natural resources into a fruitful object and put into use...telugu identity is associated or infact hijacked by some particular feudal castes and those idiots try to bring this identity to the forefront whenever their percieved legitamacy for their participation in ruling class is being threatened...in a nut shell there should be complete abolition of caste or transfer the power to those castes which were deprived of powers since independence inorder to repatriate the damage done to them in the garb of electoral politics, ivi rendu jaragadam meeku ishtam undadhu endhukantey you have vested interests in this particular exploitation to continue albeit in another form or another vehichle, language based identity to become a core foundation of nation will be another vehichle of exploitation and supression...period! Inni rojulu telugu language lo tg and seema dialect ni etla barbaadh cheshnaro chudaledha...the dialect in godzillas was promoted as legitimate common language like a slow poison so much so that the present generation can't even reason out the exploitation done to their dialect..it is almost same as the opression done on bc and Dalits, sts since generations so much  so that they can't even realise the ghastly attack done on their lifestyles and culture...they start to think that it is a norm to get oppressed and this was etched into their minds so deeply that it is becoming an uphill task to remove that thing from their minds...ippudu slow ga , the downtrodden castes started to realise their potential and asserting their rights ...bam again the vested casteists like you want to bring another form of identity like language so that your position will be status quo and your stakes in ruling class will be protected...thammi ivanni neeku arthamaina kaani artham kaanattu act chesthu nee hypocrisy ni ethi chupey vallani patronise chesthu thidithu undatam valla laabham ledhu ...the oppressed have already realised your ploy and it will be scuttled successfully...

[Telugodura456]

6 hours ago, veerigadu said:

If everyone gives up their tag name..Appudu Meeru reservations vadilesthara?? Ilane ooru meedha padhi bathukuthara?

Reservations vacchindhi maybe 60 years. Caste unnadhi maybe 1000 years? what came first? what need to be first fixed?

Aina how did reservations in anyway put a dent in power of your reds or kams or brams or kaps? you still control political power and are the richest communities by far. Most private corporate jobs in andhra are occupied by your lot. why make a reservation an issue. Infact Nobody will mind even giving you reservations in small govt jobs if you start giving up CM posts , industrialists, political space and live like vast number of bahujans.

False equivalence, false arguments. Evasive arguments actually.

[Telugodura456]

 

53 minutes ago, Ayodhyaramayyaips said:

Arey idhi na final post ra bhai...ne lanti ara gundu gadu isonti vaati joliki velloddu ra bhai...nuvvu only delhi.la caste gurinchi matladuthu conveniently overlooking the caste opression going on here...neeku entha cheppina artham kadhu ra bhai because if you are born into a dalit or under privileged caste neeku arthamaithadhi...neeku entha sepu telugu language identity aney agenda mundhu pettukoni neo conservative policy thesukuravalanukuntunnav...there is and will be only two identitues ra after abolition of caste ...proletariat and bourgeoisie...instead you want to bring another exploitative factor to replace caste, that is language...language is a modicum of communication that's it...try to realise that , it doesn't have any importance to work done by humans to bring the natural resources into a fruitful object and put into use...telugu identity is associated or infact hijacked by some particular feudal castes and those idiots try to bring this identity to the forefront whenever their percieved legitamacy for their participation in ruling class is being threatened...in a nut shell there should be complete abolition of caste or transfer the power to those castes which were deprived of powers since independence inorder to repatriate the damage done to them in the garb of electoral politics, ivi rendu jaragadam meeku ishtam undadhu endhukantey you have vested interests in this particular exploitation to continue albeit in another form or another vehichle, language based identity to become a core foundation of nation will be another vehichle of exploitation and supression...period! Inni rojulu telugu language lo tg and seema dialect ni etla barbaadh cheshnaro chudaledha...the dialect in godzillas was promoted as legitimate common language like a slow poison so much so that the present generation can't even reason out the exploitation done to their dialect..it is almost same as the opression done on bc and Dalits, sts since generations so much  so that they can't even realise the ghastly attack done on their lifestyles and culture...they start to think that it is a norm to get oppressed and this was etched into their minds so deeply that it is becoming an uphill task to remove that thing from their minds...ippudu slow ga , the downtrodden castes started to realise their potential and asserting their rights ...bam again the vested casteists like you want to bring another form of identity like language so that your position will be status quo and your stakes in ruling class will be protected...thammi ivanni neeku arthamaina kaani artham kaanattu act chesthu nee hypocrisy ni ethi chupey vallani patronise chesthu thidithu undatam valla laabham ledhu ...the oppressed have already realised your ploy and it will be scuttled successfully...

you say caste must be abolished. Your freinds here are arguing there are no castes its already abolished. Only rich and poor atta. One is saying agravarna superior to bcs ata. 

Yea thats what i am also saying language is modicum of communication. IN fact BC/SC/ST generally lack any english skills. So if you want them developed you must govern them and teach them in their mother tongue right ? if parliament discussions happen in telugu then bahujan participation in those discussions will be much higher. THey will actually understand what is happening.

But indian govt deliberately communicates only in hindi/English. In state level agravarnams have taken english as main differentiator.

[Ayodhyaramayyaips]

36 minutes ago, Telugodura456 said:

 

you say caste must be abolished. Your freinds here are arguing there are no castes its already abolished. Only rich and poor atta. One is saying agravarna superior to bcs ata. 

Yea thats what i am also saying language is modicum of communication. IN fact BC/SC/ST generally lack any english skills. So if you want them developed you must govern them and teach them in their mother tongue right ? if parliament discussions happen in telugu then bahujan participation in those discussions will be much higher. THey will actually understand what is happening.

But indian govt deliberately communicates only in hindi/English. In state level agravarnams have taken english as main differentiator.

Arey babu idhoka online platform and vallu Naku friends kadhu atla ani enemies kuda kadhu...aquaintances anthey...only mother tongue ney etla pedthav like in parliment...bc sc st encompasses all languages ....this point itself shows the flaw in argument of language as an identity...preserve and enrich their language and at the same time make them fluent in English...dhesham gurinchi tarvatha at least if the English language is given to them they can effectively fight against opression in delhi and at international level...english language acts as an emancipation tool for them by giving them plethora of opportunities to develop as well as effectively communicate...idhi etla undhantey ancient period la sanskrit was a language which was made exclusive to agravarnas either by hook or crook( aberrations are there but they are rare )...if that language was accessible to lower varnas like athi shudras and Dalits situation would have been different...now same is the case with English language...it is the principle language of capitalistic class and it should be made available to all the lower and downtrodden castes...period! This was cunningly and effectively kept at a distance by the feudal upper castes for a long period after independence under the garb of teaching only through mother tongue in govt schools and saying that teaching through mother tongue will make them understand efficiently and what not which was an utter false thing as English language was made mandatory in all sectors either directly or indirectly...ippudu you can't undo all the things they've done...you can only get your legitimate share by getting on to their vehichles of dominance and exploitation thereby removing their utility, in effect making a level playing field for all...then the game starts....

P.S- I vehemently oppose the forcible imposition of hindi language as an official language...actually the casteists used this tool to establish their supremacy over our country which was successfully scuttled and I vehemently oppose this Hindi imposition.

[Telugodura456]

4 minutes ago, Ayodhyaramayyaips said:

Arey babu idhoka online platform and vallu Naku friends kadhu atla ani enemies kuda kadhu...aquaintances anthey...only mother tongue ney etla pedthav like in parliment...bc sc st encompasses all languages ....this point itself shows the flaw in argument of language as an identity...preserve and enrich their language and at the same time make them fluent in English...dhesham gurinchi tarvatha at least if the English language is given to them they can effectively fight against opression in delhi and at international level...english language acts as an emancipation tool for them by giving them plethora of opportunities to develop as well as effectively communicate...idhi etla undhantey ancient period la sanskrit was a language which was made exclusive to agravarnas either by hook or crook( aberrations are there but they are rare )...if that language was accessible to lower varnas like athi shudras and Dalits situation would have been different...now same is the case with English language...it is the principle language of capitalistic class and it should be made available to all the lower and downtrodden castes...period! This was cunningly and effectively kept at a distance by the feudal upper castes for a long period after independence under the garb of teaching only through mother tongue in govt schools and saying that teaching through mother tongue will make them understand efficiently and what not which was an utter false thing as English language was made mandatory in all sectors either directly or indirectly...ippudu you can't undo all the things they've done...you can only get your legitimate share by getting on to their vehichles of dominance and exploitation thereby removing their utility, in effect making a level playing field for all...then the game starts....

P.S- I vehemently oppose the forcible imposition of hindi language as an official language...actually the casteists used this tool to establish their supremacy over our country which was successfully scuttled and I vehemently oppose this Hindi imposition.

your posts are getting better!

BC/SC/ST are majority in all indian languages. If you give them power in any Telugu or Tamil or Gujarati then you  are autmaticaly giving power to BC/SC/ST.

Power to bahujans cannot be conditional to learn them English. thats a cruel demand. Bahujans can learn English for their own benefit. But that cannot be made a condition to deny them power and governance in their own language NOW.

There is no magic in english language. Japanese, germans, koreans all achieved social justice for their own in their own languages.

[yskokila]

12 hours ago, DummyVariable said:

What about regionalism and language identity? 

When you exactly know where the problem is in the Society and do not want to admit even in Private, you can create many things like this. 

[Ayodhyaramayyaips]

2 hours ago, Telugodura456 said:

your posts are getting better!

BC/SC/ST are majority in all indian languages. If you give them power in any Telugu or Tamil or Gujarati then you  are autmaticaly giving power to BC/SC/ST.

Power to bahujans cannot be conditional to learn them English. thats a cruel demand. Bahujans can learn English for their own benefit. But that cannot be made a condition to deny them power and governance in their own language NOW.

There is no magic in english language. Japanese, germans, koreans all achieved social justice for their own in their own languages.

Oddhu bhai thaariff oddhu...unnadhi unnattu matlaadithey saalu...japs, germs, Koreans devolopment ki historical and cultural reasons unnayi annadhi na feeling but did they achieve social justice in their context I mean in the context of their society???

[DummyVariable]

2 hours ago, yskokila said:

When you exactly know where the problem is in the Society and do not want to admit even in Private, you can create many things like this. 

When you are creating multiple fake ids posting dishonest views then you come up with posts like this.

[DummyVariable]

12 hours ago, Telugodura456 said:

Duuuuuuude people will always be organized around identities. Birth based ones are disgusting. skill based ones like Language have given us most succesful nations like japan to england to france to korea. 

 

 

How is to so hard to understand ? i dont know whether there is some other way to communicate or you are just that closed minded.

 

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 You are basically trying to argue that since there will be identities like language and this may cause differences (despite the fact there is no systemic language based oppression like caste in india) so caste based identities are also OK. 

You talk about caste as some intellectual thing not an actual humiliation because you are a brahmin and caste never insulted you. You insulted others using it. So caste based discrimination for YOU is an abstract speculative thing like so called language based discriminations (which are much more difficult to exist as people speaking different languages live in different areas). I suggest you stop wading in to these things until you develop a heart like a human.

I am not saying that caste based discrimination is ok. It is time for you to stop putting words in my mouth. Stoking regionalism and creating language based identities will eventually lead to discrimination or may already have done so. Please stop the drama about “human heart” etc - it makes your arguments sound fake.

[yskokila]

23 minutes ago, DummyVariable said:

When you are creating multiple fake ids posting dishonest views then you come up with posts like this.

I have only one id any single time in this DB. Can you show me other id of mine? Also having multiple ids does not harm the society in any way. But surely having a caste oriented approach does.

[Lonelyloner]

14 hours ago, Telugodura456 said:

Dude - caste based divisions are daily reality in india for centuries. how many language based discriminations happened in india? and how can they happen as languages are spread out geogoraphically. here is how caste happened.

aunty  emitlu, ee cassette?