Jaaathakam nammuthaaara...?

[Peter123]

4 minutes ago, betapilli said:

It means they are struggling in their life, it doesn't mean their life is going to be like that all the time. There is always a time in your life, when you feel like your life is slipping away from your hands, you find that something or someone pushes you back into your life, moments like that happen in everyone's lives. Some people use those moments, while some people are too busy drowning in their misery to realize those moments are happening around them. Some people call those moments as miracles, some people call them opportunities. 

why do kids in africa die starving was my question to you ? after struggle to get some food, the eventually end up dying ?

what did they do ? a lot of them die before they turn 10, cos of whatever reasons africa has, 

it's not that they're struggling  in life, poor kids they dont even know what is struggle and what is not struggle, they're just kids right 

its cos of their parents actions in prev birth or this birth,  these kids are suffering now in this birth. 

so basically kid's future in this birth is tied to parents present or prev actions - so thats injustice ? why did god create this injustice ?

 

[betapilli]

2 minutes ago, Peter123 said:

why do kids in africa die starving was my question to you ? after struggle to get some food, the eventually end up dying ?

 

 

 

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what did they do ? a lot of them die before they turn 10, cos of whatever reasons africa has, 

 

 

 

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it's not that they're struggling  in life, poor kids they dont even know what is struggle and what is not struggle, they're just kids right 

its cos of their parents actions in prev birth or this birth,  these kids are suffering now in this birth. 

so basically kid's future in this birth is tied to parents present or prev actions - so thats injustice ? why did god create this injustice ?

 

Why would you think that it's God's fault that someone is rich and someone is poor? It's not like God specially wants to make someone poor and purposely makes him die of hunger? It is basically blaming God for hunan's faults. 

[Peter123]

dharma - even tho you do your job 100%, do not expect everything is going to be fine and just good. 

You're only following dharma for your own satisfaction, you did your dharma and thats all about it. 

People say do you thing of dharma and leave the rest to the good - result still is based upon your prev birth actions.

Hardwork leads to succes - ?? famous quote ? your hardwork may not show you any good, just cos its tied to your prev birth actions. 

All this is called Law of Karma, 

 

[Peter123]

7 minutes ago, betapilli said:

Why would you think that it's God's fault that someone is rich and someone is poor? It's not like God specially wants to make someone poor and purposely makes him die of hunger? It is basically blaming God for hunan's faults. 

yea really ? arent we all humans his creations ? what does brhama god do ? isnt he the one who decides the fate of each person ? in hinduism ?

 

[betapilli]

6 minutes ago, Peter123 said:

dharma - even tho you do your job 100%, do not expect everything is going to be fine and just good. 

You're only following dharma for your own satisfaction, you did your dharma and thats all about it. 

People say do you thing of dharma and leave the rest to the good - result still is based upon your prev birth actions.

Hardwork leads to succes - ?? famous quote ? your hardwork may not show you any good, just cos its tied to your prev birth actions. 

All this is called Law of Karma, 

 

The reason the idea of reincarnation is brought up in Hinduism is to create a fear and a motivation to do good things in life. Moksha is nothing but a person that will detach himself from material things, from attachments so that they don't suffer in life. In Hinduism, it is believed that to attain this state, you need to do good in life. It is to teach people to do good in life. It doesn't mean that you can do bad things in life and whatever deeds you did in your previous life will save you. You should understand the meaning behind why something is said rather than believing it to be true. 

[betapilli]

8 minutes ago, Peter123 said:

yea really ? arent we all humans his creations ? what does brhama god do ? isnt he the one who decides the fate of each person ? in hinduism ?

 

Unless God is a sperm, I don't see how that's possible. Fate is nothing but a question that God asks you, what you answer to God becomes your destiny. That's why it's said that your destiny is in your hands. It is, because it's your answer to God's question (your fate). 

[kidney]

2 minutes ago, betapilli said:

The reason the idea of reincarnation is brought up in Hinduism is to create a fear and a motivation to do good things in life. Moksha is nothing but a person that will detach himself from material things, from attachments so that they don't suffer in life. In Hinduism, it is believed that to attain this state, you need to do good in life. It is to teach people to do good in life. It doesn't mean that you can do bad things in life and whatever deeds you did in your previous life will save you. You should understand the meaning behind why something is said rather than believing it to be true. 

reincarnation only Hinduism lo ledhu.. infact believed in most religions 

[betapilli]

2 minutes ago, kidney said:

reincarnation only Hinduism lo ledhu.. infact believed in most religions 

I don't know about other religions, but I am telling about the intent behind why it is said in Hinduism. 

[kidney]

1 minute ago, betapilli said:

I don't know about other religions, but I am telling about the intent behind why it is said in Hinduism. 

 

[Peter123]

7 minutes ago, betapilli said:

The reason the idea of reincarnation is brought up in Hinduism is to create a fear and a motivation to do good things in life. Moksha is nothing but a person that will detach himself from material things, from attachments so that they don't suffer in life. In Hinduism, it is believed that to attain this state, you need to do good in life. It is to teach people to do good in life. It doesn't mean that you can do bad things in life and whatever deeds you did in your previous life will save you. You should understand the meaning behind why something is said rather than believing it to be true. 

doing good or bad is each individual thing, 

youre mixing up too many things at the same time

i did not ask you the meaning of moksha, 

there are people who did bad things and still leading a good life - its cos of their prev birth actions 

ever heard the saying , why do bad things happen to good people and why do good things happen to bad people -- that is called Law of Karma, 

 

Now coming to your point, its upto you if you want to do good or bad, no one is hear to teach nothing, its pure your thinking hw to lead life (good or bad). 

The more good you do now, will be carried over to your next birth 

The more bad you do now, your moksham time to attaint it will only get increased or go further away and away. meaning you may have to go thru unlimited rebirth, and face suffering, in each birth. 

Its all calculated, you can even think in % wise, the more good you do now, will always be carried over and the same thing to bad or evil. You got to be 100% good in your re birth life cycle to attain your moksham, 

You still did not answer why do small kids die out of starvation in africa ? your answer human fault is funny. Humans are none other than gods creations, those kids are helpless here, they do not have a choice, its all tied up to their prev borths and hence they're suffering now, Also the more you suffer the more closer you're getting to moksham, as after suffering comes to 100%, you're even now, and can get liberation. 

 

[betapilli]

4 minutes ago, kidney said:

 

This is what I said in this thread. 

3 hours ago, betapilli said:

I see Bhagavadgeeta as a scripture, a scripture that tells you a way of life, the way of life of Santana Dharma. The scripture itself is a proof in itself. The point of Geeta is not whether Krishna actually told Arjuna about Geeta on warfront or not, the point of Geeta is teaching you a way of life. You do not read scriptures based on the story, but based on what they teach you from the stories. So, proving whether Rama really went to Lanka to kill Ravana or not is not really what Hindhuthva is about. The point of Ramayana is understanding the the thatvam of Rama, Seetha and Ravana. 

The modern day Hinduism is clouded by misinformation and the need to prove the existence of God, but that's not what Santhana Dharma is about. Believing in this misinformation campaign is what leads to superstitions. Hinduism is based on scientific inquisitiveness, based on your quest to find the truth. I do not see any difference between the quest of find God in Hinduism and the quest to find the truth in science. Santhana Dharma is supposed to increase your scientific inquisitiveness by making you question practises, not cloud your judgement by believing in superstitions.

Coming to your question about Karma yoga, yes, I do not work to get paid, I work because doing my work is my karthavyam. That's what I believe in as a way of life. 

 

 

[Peter123]

13 minutes ago, kidney said:

reincarnation only Hinduism lo ledhu.. infact believed in most religions 

ofcourse. true Christians belive it to the core. 

 

[kidney]

1 minute ago, Peter123 said:

ofcourse. true Christians belive it to the core. 

 

many religions Xtiand, jews, islam.. believe in reincarnation kaka

[betapilli]

8 minutes ago, Peter123 said:

doing good or bad is each individual thing, 

youre mixing up too many things at the same time

i did not ask you the meaning of moksha, 

there are people who did bad things and still leading a good life - its cos of their prev birth actions 

ever heard the saying , why do bad things happen to good people and why do good things happen to bad people -- that is called Law of Karma, 

 

Now coming to your point, its upto you if you want to do good or bad, no one is hear to teach nothing, its pure your thinking hw to lead life (good or bad). 

The more good you do now, will be carried over to your next birth 

The more bad you do now, your moksham time to attaint it will only get increased or go further away and away. meaning you may have to go thru unlimited rebirth, and face suffering, in each birth. 

Its all calculated, you can even think in % wise, the more good you do now, will always be carried over and the same thing to bad or evil. You got to be 100% good in your re birth life cycle to attain your moksham, 

You still did not answer why do small kids die out of starvation in africa ? your answer human fault is funny. Humans are none other than gods creations, those kids are helpless here, they do not have a choice, its all tied up to their prev borths and hence they're suffering now, Also the more you suffer the more closer you're getting to moksham, as after suffering comes to 100%, you're even now, and can get liberation. 

 

See you're basically saying things that are written and taking it word to word. What I said is that, the reason scriptures are written, religion is preached is to teach us good values, good morals to lead this life. You should not take what is written in scriptures based on the wording but based on the intent behind the wording. 

You're saying it's God's mistake that some people are poor and some people are rich. What I am saying is humans mistake, not God's mistake. The reason kids in Africa starve is because of the failure of the Government, failure of the country, failure of fellow humans to provide food for kids in Africa. It is not God's fault. When it is written that God created humans, the intent is that God is the creator of life, for example siva lingam which resembles a penis is a God that people worship in Hinduism. The intent behind worshipping a Lingam is not worshipping a stone, but a human body part that is the creator of life. In other words, the intent is not to assume that something outside mankind is cause of life, but rather a body part of man is the creator of life. So yes, the reason there is suffering is because we as humans failed to save fellow humans from dieing of hunger, it's not God's fault. 

[Peter123]

20 minutes ago, betapilli said:

Unless God is a sperm, I don't see how that's possible. Fate is nothing but a question that God asks you, what you answer to God becomes your destiny. That's why it's said that your destiny is in your hands. It is, because it's your answer to God's question (your fate). 

lol 

god created this earth, and later he created mankind male and female and also gave us the opportunity to develop mankind like a big human family, along with other creatures, hence we are all here on this lovely planet earth a creation of god.