Sometimes luck doesn't come your way

[sunnam]

10 minutes ago, zarathustra said:

Actual situation is a bit different, I didn't elaborate on it. Here it goes: 

1) Ever since I joined the company, I had asked for a KT even a basic knowledge transfer of how their architecture is designed, how their build and release process works and none of it was given. I report to only one director, and I have no colleagues to approach. 

In the first week, I was assigned an issue where I had to migrate applications on a server to another, the time line of this was April which was more than a month away. But the task itself was simple enough, although again I had no documentation/no explanation of how they have done it before etc. This was accomplished in a week, which seemed to surprise the Infrastructure admin but then again it wasn't a task that needs to take a month. 

I ran into an issue which was identified to be an application specific issue and had approached one of the developers, working with him I was able to mitigate it and the director is aware of it. He had himself told me then that the time lines are very flexible and they usually go over the deadlines so not to worry about the deadlines specified for a task too much. 

2) They had an issue with a portal where certain reports they try to run are generated. They kept getting a 404 error, now the location the webserver tries to look for those reports is different from what's mentioned in the application where they are getting generated to. I noticed this in the logs and asked the director if I could approach the developer who built this application, as I wanted to know where this piece of logic is specified in the code. He again told me that that developer doesn't work there anymore and it's upto me to figure it out. I ended up writing a python script which copies the reports over to the correct location and the issue was fixed. What I asked him was if this reports location was changed let's say due to a change in the application code etc and he had no clue, he said it never worked in the past. 

So I basically fixed something they never had access to in the past, the report in this case. 

3) I had a lot of issues with their Identity access management system(Okta in this case) getting my credentials validated to access their bitbucket spaces. It took 3 weeks of going back and forth with Atlassian to finally get this issue fixed, again nothing I could do anything about as I don't control that part of the process. I was finally able to get this issue addressed last Wednesday, i.e., 4 business days ago. 

4) I was able to finally look at their Build and release process last Thursday and generate a build. They use a very manual and antiquated process of doing it, the ask for me is to try to automate it as much as possible. I conducted only one trial run of their build process, and this was directly on the Prod server. My director was away Friday and Monday yesterday and I had documented some issues I wanted to get some clarify from him on, what I wanted access to was a development environment so I could try to run some gradle scripts and automate the process piece by piece. I was not given access to any such dev environment or told about any such environment which is pretty basic thing to expect. 

Today he asked me if I was able to figure out how to automate the process in 2 days, last Friday and yesterday when he wasn't here. I told him that I would first need access to a DEV environment and was going to ask him about it, because I have no other colleagues to ask these questions. Not sure if he is expecting someone to complete all these in a week, which is impossible. We even had a meeting every Tuesday where we go over this process in detail with the Development director(again there's no DEV Architect available) and I had documented some of these issues to ask in the meeting. 

However, the director seemed to have made up his mind to move on, and conveyed the same to me. I am not going to beg him to keep me. I asked him if he could give me some more time to prove myself with whatever expectations he had, and to set some expectations to begin with instead of being very vague. That never happened, so I had no choice but to put in my 2 weeks and move on. 

i'm swarry brother. what i understand from your post is that the director intentionally put you under bus by askig you to figure out automation. you got trapped. i believe expectation is that you will be one stop source for all problems and requirements. but you were asking kt, access, process questions and he changed his mind. 

[Sarvapindi]

17 minutes ago, zarathustra said:

YOu are right. 

But I am going to ask them in the interviews itself going ahead what their expectations are 

1 month from the time I join

6 months from the time i join

1 year into my job

If they don't know the answer to any of those, it's better to not waste time with such places. 

Adi fte job or contract nuv quit sesindi?

[zarathustra]

6 minutes ago, Sarvapindi said:

Adi fte job or contract nuv quit sesindi?

Full time

[zarathustra]

15 minutes ago, sunnam said:

i'm swarry brother. what i understand from your post is that the director intentionally put you under bus by askig you to figure out automation. you got trapped. i believe expectation is that you will be one stop source for all problems and requirements. but you were asking kt, access, process questions and he changed his mind. 

Yes bro, the funny thing is until last week I didn't even have access to all their bitbucket spaces due to integration issues between their Okta and Atlassian portals. It took Atlassian itself 3 weeks to fix it, and they own that product. As mentioned earlier, I got access last Wednesday and I ran my first build on Thursday. 

The director was asking me if I was able to figure out a way to re-vamp it in 2 days i.e., last Friday and yesterday when he was away from work. So he expects someone to figure out how to change what they do in 2 days and provide a solution, a one stop shop less than 2 months from the time you join. 

I hope not all FT jobs are going to be this way, this was my first FT in a long time. I had only mostly done contracting before, and even they weren't this dis-organized. Btw this is a manufacturing company as well. And whatever I asked him for was pretty much the bare minimum any company has to do for a new employee isn't it. Like KT, finding out the process, etc 

[Thokkalee]

27 minutes ago, zarathustra said:

Thanks, I had the same feeling. They have a process that they know is broken and has been that way for more than a decade. They want me to help re-design that process into a more streamlined one. But how can that be done unless and until you understand the current process they have thoroughly, I don't understand. 

I am glad to know I am not the only one who ended up in a situation like this. It's like they want me to dig a 50 feet ditch holding a plastic fork, lol

Sometimes we get a raw deal.. just forget it and move on... reach out to the other companies that offered you and see if the positions are still available.. 

never seen a Director level guy with only one person reporting.. may be he is also in a bad position in that group.. and wanted some Rambo to fight for him against all odds.. 

[zarathustra]

4 minutes ago, Thokkalee said:

Sometimes we get a raw deal.. just forget it and move on... reach out to the other companies that offered you and see if the positions are still available.. 

never seen a Director level guy with only one person reporting.. may be he is also in a bad position in that group.. and wanted some Rambo to fight for him against all odds.. 

Yeah vaadini meetings lo aata lo aratipandu la consider cheyadam choosa, the very first meeting I joined in this company more than a month ago 2 directors at Senior level argued with each other saying neeku ardam kaatle ante neeku kaatle ani about a process. 

Also he told he was going to retire in a few months when he first interviewed me, but then after I joined he told me he reconsidered it and he's not retiring anymore. Not that it has anything to do with me, but not sure if that changed things for him or whatever. 

[zarathustra]

Anyway thanks for all the posts brothers, makes me a feel a little better. 

I will take a break from DB, and figure out what I have to do next. 

[Sarvapindi]

24 minutes ago, zarathustra said:

Full time

Gc unda ba..or h1 meeda already found another job aa

[zarathustra]

2 minutes ago, Sarvapindi said:

Gc unda ba..or h1 meeda already found another job aa

I am a US citizen bro so aa issue ledu le

[andhrabullet]

Bro by chance is this company is in Florida?

[Sarvapindi]

3 minutes ago, zarathustra said:

I am a US citizen bro so aa issue ledu le

Ok 

[zarathustra]

9 minutes ago, andhrabullet said:

Bro by chance is this company is in Florida?

California

[Sucker]

Yem kaadu vuncle. Poyina job la gurinchi Badha padithe depression thappithe nothing. Picha light. New job New day. Delete it from mind. 

[ShruteSastry]

9 minutes ago, zarathustra said:

Actual situation is a bit different, I didn't elaborate on it. Here it goes: 

1) Ever since I joined the company, I had asked for a KT even a basic knowledge transfer of how their architecture is designed, how their build and release process works and none of it was given. I report to only one director, and I have no colleagues to approach. 

In the first week, I was assigned an issue where I had to migrate applications on a server to another, the time line of this was April which was more than a month away. But the task itself was simple enough, although again I had no documentation/no explanation of how they have done it before etc. This was accomplished in a week, which seemed to surprise the Infrastructure admin but then again it wasn't a task that needs to take a month. 

I ran into an issue which was identified to be an application specific issue and had approached one of the developers, working with him I was able to mitigate it and the director is aware of it. He had himself told me then that the time lines are very flexible and they usually go over the deadlines so not to worry about the deadlines specified for a task too much. 

2) They had an issue with a portal where certain reports they try to run are generated. They kept getting a 404 error, now the location the webserver tries to look for those reports is different from what's mentioned in the application where they are getting generated to. I noticed this in the logs and asked the director if I could approach the developer who built this application, as I wanted to know where this piece of logic is specified in the code. He again told me that that developer doesn't work there anymore and it's upto me to figure it out. I ended up writing a python script which copies the reports over to the correct location and the issue was fixed. What I asked him was if this reports location was changed let's say due to a change in the application code etc and he had no clue, he said it never worked in the past. 

So I basically fixed something they never had access to in the past, the report in this case. 

3) I had a lot of issues with their Identity access management system(Okta in this case) getting my credentials validated to access their bitbucket spaces. It took 3 weeks of going back and forth with Atlassian to finally get this issue fixed, again nothing I could do anything about as I don't control that part of the process. I was finally able to get this issue addressed last Wednesday, i.e., 4 business days ago. 

4) I was able to finally look at their Build and release process last Thursday and generate a build. They use a very manual and antiquated process of doing it, the ask for me is to try to automate it as much as possible. I conducted only one trial run of their build process, and this was directly on the Prod server. My director was away Friday and Monday yesterday and I had documented some issues I wanted to get some clarify from him on, what I wanted access to was a development environment so I could try to run some gradle scripts and automate the process piece by piece. I was not given access to any such dev environment or told about any such environment which is pretty basic thing to expect. 

Today he asked me if I was able to figure out how to automate the process in 2 days, last Friday and yesterday when he wasn't here. I told him that I would first need access to a DEV environment and was going to ask him about it, because I have no other colleagues to ask these questions. Not sure if he is expecting someone to complete all these in a week, which is impossible. We even had a meeting every Tuesday where we go over this process in detail with the Development director(again there's no DEV Architect available) and I had documented some of these issues to ask in the meeting. 

However, the director seemed to have made up his mind to move on, and conveyed the same to me. I am not going to beg him to keep me. I asked him if he could give me some more time to prove myself with whatever expectations he had, and to set some expectations to begin with instead of being very vague. That never happened, so I had no choice but to put in my 2 weeks and move on. 

Wow, makes me wonder how they are able to sustain as a company with this kind of attitude.

You went above and beyond but, i think you made the right move. No Regrets

 

[Sputnik]

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