Economic situation today in India

[Raven_Rayes]

53 minutes ago, jawaani_jaaneman said:

vaccine is not too expensive kada..

oka 40% of the population can easily afford..of course for a family of 4, vaccinate cheyalante oka 3k avutundi..which is still a considerable amount. 
 

Give them tax rebate..for salaried class, give them tax rebate for the vaccination..and people who cannot afford, let the government pay. 
 

Who needs to pay for the vaccine ane debate la anavasaramaina delay avutadi, vaccinating everyone is important first...let that happen first and in the mean while, we can figure it out who gets to pay and who doesn’t ..

ye lokam lo unnav? just urban areas lo household income more than 20k/month unnollu just 25%. pretty sure they have other expenses, like rent, food, etc. Tax rebate kooda ivvaleru, because a lot of them do not make enough income to actually pay income taxes.

Also 600/- is the rate of procurement.. That's not the MRP that hostpitals will charge.. I would bet that depending on the demand the price will rise, but at minimum hospitals will charge 850 per shot..  I base this on the current practice where pvt hospitals are charging 250/- handling charge on a vaccine that is free for people over 45. The cost to vaccinate for a family of 4 will be upwards of 5k minimum. Not more than 10% will come forward to pay for it themselves.

Also there is oncoming shortage of vaccines by mid May. Already vaccines are allocated on priority basis only to states.. States with high case loads like Gujarat (inspite of there blatant fake numbers) has been alloted vaccines to cover 66% of their over 45 population, whereas TN was allotted 22%.

When there's a shortage of vaccines, allowing private hospitals to compete with states in procurement is another major policy blunder.

You are right though, there's no need for debate on who should pay for the vaccine. The union govt should. No questions asked. The consequence of not paying is gonna add up in the near future.

plus, vaccine supply is gonna be critical in the 2-3 months. I predict hell in India. and by the end of this year, less than 50% Indians to be even partially vaccinated.

now you come and post bs and give gyan about supporting the govt, but I think Modi should be dragged on streets and beaten by people.

 

[LordOfMud]

1 hour ago, NiranjanGaaru said:

Things Modi should do immediately

1.modi should provide free vaccine to all, it's ethically correct thing to do

2.provide stimulus or cash dole atleast 2000 to every person, many jobs were lost to this pandemic, this may not useful for anything but moral support is important, instead of hrs and hrs free speeches

.. People who don't know ground realities should understand unorganized sector suffered a lot, small businessmen, construction workers, even impact went upto top businessmen like jindal, l&t, NCC, etc and economy which should grow at 10% , shrinking from 2018 due to demonetisation,gst,bad NPA's,gst is partially failure reform,even before corona, Modi woke up very late last year by providing financial package 20 lakh cr (mostly loans to businesses and already existing programs nothing new) and this year budget was best budget in Modi entire career I would say as pm, slowly growth will start....... But needs some support from govt, no new investment is coming in or local players too not investing, corona time lo Vietnam 🇻🇳, indonesia 🇮🇩 pulled main china investors in dozens of numbers, India got only 2 FDI that moved from china

There is cash storage in hands of people, now, small and medium level entrepreneurs getting no attention from Modi government from past 6 years except from 2020-21 economic package

Dumbos and economics basics telinii people don't come into this thread

 

1 hour ago, jawaani_jaaneman said:

People who can afford, let them pay..

People who cannot afford, Let the Government pay..

Human demands are unlimited...vaccine kavalantaru..adi vachinaka free ga kavalantaru..free ga ichinaka inkokati kavalantaru..

 

 

1 hour ago, ring_master said:

What is this logic ? Virus kavali ani kuda janaalu adigaara? There’s no need for people to pay for vaccine and thats how west is doing now and india should do it . It’s not about people’s wants. This is necessary at this time 

 

What does the Indian Constitution say about the role of government in health care?

Health as a part of Fundamental Right under Article 21: The right to health creates an obligation upon the states to ensure that the right to health is respected, protected and fulfilled, and is duly entitled to all its citizens.

Article 38 of the Constitution lays down the responsibility of the state to secure social order for the in promotion of the welfare of public health. ...

Article 48A states the duty of the state towards providing of a good and healthy pollution free environment.

 

[Ragisankati]

1 hour ago, NiranjanGaaru said:

Things Modi should do immediately

1.modi should provide free vaccine to all, it's ethically correct thing to do

2.provide stimulus or cash dole atleast 2000 to every person, many jobs were lost to this pandemic, this may not useful for anything but moral support is important, instead of hrs and hrs free speeches

.. People who don't know ground realities should understand unorganized sector suffered a lot, small businessmen, construction workers, even impact went upto top businessmen like jindal, l&t, NCC, etc and economy which should grow at 10% , shrinking from 2018 due to demonetisation,gst,bad NPA's,gst is partially failure reform,even before corona, Modi woke up very late last year by providing financial package 20 lakh cr (mostly loans to businesses and already existing programs nothing new) and this year budget was best budget in Modi entire career I would say as pm, slowly growth will start....... But needs some support from govt, no new investment is coming in or local players too not investing, corona time lo Vietnam 🇻🇳, indonesia 🇮🇩 pulled main china investors in dozens of numbers, India got only 2 FDI that moved from china

There is cash storage in hands of people, now, small and medium level entrepreneurs getting no attention from Modi government from past 6 years except from 2020-21 economic package

Dumbos and economics basics telinii people don't come into this thread

People deggara cash ledhu antunnaru emaina prices change ayyaya? Infact all prices skyrocketed after pandemic hit

[NiranjanGaaru]

1 hour ago, jawaani_jaaneman said:

vaccine is not too expensive kada..

oka 40% of the population can easily afford..of course for a family of 4, vaccinate cheyalante oka 3k avutundi..which is still a considerable amount. 
 

Give them tax rebate..for salaried class, give them tax rebate for the vaccination..and people who cannot afford, let the government pay. 
 

Who needs to pay for the vaccine ane debate la anavasaramaina delay avutadi, vaccinating everyone is important first...let that happen first and in the mean while, we can figure it out who gets to pay and who doesn’t ..

Hmm adhi kuda nijame bro, but thing is Modi or even state governments have no proper plan, I saw one state health minister saying 2nd wave vastundi ani modi maaku chepaledu anta lol.. Ala undi position, before many countries bought vaccines companies in jan, Modi waited too long, so ila chesthe konchamiana people satisfy avtharu ani naa feeling @ZoomNaidu @karthik25 @Mirage @soodhilodaaram @odhu_le_macha etc nationalists

[NiranjanGaaru]

34 minutes ago, Ragisankati said:

People deggara cash ledhu antunnaru emaina prices change ayyaya? Infact all prices skyrocketed after pandemic hit

Yeah inflation rooftoped in India, for sure all charges gone up

[NiranjanGaaru]

39 minutes ago, LordOfMud said:

 

 

 

What does the Indian Constitution say about the role of government in health care?

Health as a part of Fundamental Right under Article 21: The right to health creates an obligation upon the states to ensure that the right to health is respected, protected and fulfilled, and is duly entitled to all its citizens.

Article 38 of the Constitution lays down the responsibility of the state to secure social order for the in promotion of the welfare of public health. ...

Article 48A states the duty of the state towards providing of a good and healthy pollution free environment.

 

Health is a state subject man, I know that, but vaccine Modi centralising which is a bad thing to do, instead he left options to state to buy from manufacturers, so at least he cannot be blamed, second thing centre govt companies and Pvt companies oxygen ni kuda centre holding and not moving required o2 to nearest problematic places.. Created big havoc, even there is no shortage

[ZoomNaidu]

2 minutes ago, NiranjanGaaru said:

Hmm adhi kuda nijame bro, but thing is Modi or even state governments have no proper plan, I saw one state health minister saying 2nd wave vastundi ani modi maaku chepaledu anta lol.. Ala undi position, before many countries bought vaccines companies in jan, Modi waited too long, so ila chesthe konchamiana people satisfy avtharu ani naa feeling @ZoomNaidu @karthik25 @Mirage @soodhilodaaram @odhu_le_macha etc nationalists

Modi waited too long - Modi alone cannot do everything. States & public kuda responsibility theesukovaali, last 2-3 months lo picha lit theesukunnaaru India lo. Vaccines theesukuney side effect fears kuda vunnaayi, janam lo maarpu raavali bro. 

[NiranjanGaaru]

1 hour ago, AndhraPickles said:

Yes bro...one month internet, mobile recharge, current bill ki saripothaayi.

Ok  

[NiranjanGaaru]

3 minutes ago, ZoomNaidu said:

Modi waited too long - Modi alone cannot do everything. States & public kuda responsibility theesukovaali, last 2-3 months lo picha lit theesukunnaaru India lo. Vaccines theesukuney side effect fears kuda vunnaayi, janam lo maarpu raavali bro. 

Yeah bro, he should have given permission states to buy vaccine, instead he waited that too on hoping bharat biotech(covaxin) will make all vaccines for 145 cr people

Now US blocked raw materials to serum. Institute and bharat biotech, so e year ending varaku 100% vaccination complete avadhu

[jawaani_jaaneman]

1 hour ago, Somedude said:

Thats wrong strategy when it comes to health care. Nuvvu cheppinattu chesthe, afford chestollu lo, aa 600 Rs bokka mankendhukule ani light theesukune people unna country manadhi. And these vaccines don't gaurantee 100%. People who haven't got the vaccination will be virus carriers to the people who have been vaccinated. It can mutate into new form. Entha thwaraga vaccination complete chesthe antha manchindhi. Inka nuvve cheppe demands are unlimited sollu doesn't apply here. Its just vaccination. Nothing else.

Vaccinating 100% population is not a state policy. You cannot vaccinate everyone by force.

Society lo demographics chudu okasari, its very important to vaccinate 40% of the socally weaker section at war footing. You need to provide vaccines to them at war footing for free. This has to be priority of the government.

For people who can afford, give them the option to pay and get the vaccination. Kavalante if anyone pays more, put them ahead of the list like h1b premium processing. 

We can think of reimbursing the costs later, tax rebate ivadamo or ekado oka degara concession iavadamo..edo oka rakanga compensate cheyochu as the amount is not huge amount.

Do you understand this logic here ? 

In this ugly debate of who gets to pay for the vaccine, the bottom 40% of the population on social index will fall prey. Idi evadu gurinchinrendi..this is crucial. This section is least empowered and do not have enpugh exposure to media or virus imlications. You should make it a priority to vaccinate them first and make vaccine available for all who are willing to pay.

 

 

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[jawaani_jaaneman]

50,000 crores- 80,000 crores is not a small amount for government like India, which has taken a hit already last year due to low economic output. 

paisal edikelli telvali ani alochinche badulu, edo okati, ekado oka degara nundi patukochi vaccine availability pedithe chalu and let the states distribute the vaccine..

Make vaccine available and let people pay who can afford to...ledu ledu anna government burden mida nundi oka 10% taggipotundi, kavalante pay chesinodiki edo oka benefit ivandi to recover the cost..

[Somedude]

19 minutes ago, jawaani_jaaneman said:

Vaccinating 100% population is not a state policy. You cannot vaccinate everyone by force.

Society lo demographics chudu okasari, its very important to vaccinate 40% of the socally weaker section at war footing. You need to provide vaccines to them at war footing for free. This has to be priority of the government.

For people who can afford, give them the option to pay and get the vaccination. Kavalante if anyone pays more, put them ahead of the list like h1b premium processing. 

We can think of reimbursing the costs later, tax rebate ivadamo or ekado oka degara concession iavadamo..edo oka rakanga compensate cheyochu as the amount is not huge amount.

Do you understand this logic here ? 

In this ugly debate of who gets to pay for the vaccine, the bottom 40% of the population on social index will fall prey. Idi evadu gurinchinrendi..this is crucial. This section is least empowered and do not have enpugh exposure to media or virus imlications. You should make it a priority to vaccinate them first and make vaccine available for all who are willing to pay.

 

 

Arey babu, by force evadu veyyamannadu? Ekkuva mandhi vesukunetandhuku kavalasina steps Govt theesukovali, even if its free vaccination. India lo freebies perutho lakshla kotlalo spend chesthunnaru. Vaccination ki spend chese money jujubi. Its not about who can't afford or who can't afford and how much Govt can save. Its just about providing vaccination to as many people as possible and as soon as possible. Ikkada chillara decisions theesukunte, free vaccination ki icche loss kante ekkuva bear cheyyalasi vasthundhi future lo. Dhimak unnodu, isunti critical situations lo vaccination ki lekkalu kattukuntu koorchodu.

[Raven_Rayes]

2 minutes ago, Somedude said:

Arey babu, by force evadu veyyamannadu? Ekkuva mandhi vesukunetandhuku kavalasina steps Govt theesukovali, even if its free vaccination. India lo freebies perutho lakshla kotlalo spend chesthunnaru. Vaccination ki spend chese money jujubi. Its not about who can't afford or who can't afford and how much Govt can save. Its just about providing vaccination to as many people as possible and as soon as possible. Ikkada chillara decisions theesukunte, free vaccination ki icche loss kante ekkuva bear cheyyalasi vasthundhi future lo. Dhimak unnodu, isuntu critical situations lo vaccination ki lekkalu kattukuntu koorchodu.

He has no idea what he's even saying. lite teesko.

vignana pradarshana ekkuvaindhi.. malli pakkanollani mocking ..

[nijamena]

He gave paper money 20lakh crore to people of India and real money to business(adani, ambani etc). Expect price increases in petrol etc.

 

He did everything he can.