Modi ‘Super Spreader’ Of Covid-19: Indian Medical Association

[modi_bhakth]

4 minutes ago, Zindagi247 said:

Concerned because they are doing only criticism and that wont help solve the crisis...they aren't doing any productive work and helping people in need but rather just causing them more panic.

Praising works for crisis? Or stupidity like we win corona works for crisis? Election rallies works for crisis? Or kumbamela works for crisis? Teeka vutsav with out teeka works for crisis?

inni issues pettukoni criticize chesaarane edupeandi

Janaalu chastunte govt ki evadu criticize chestunnado important aindhaa

 

  

[Raven_Rayes]

1 minute ago, Iriswest said:

I am not a bhakth even in my wildest dreams. But I expected Modi to stand up to Vajpayee’s stature. He failed by many standards. I have no more hopes on him.

 

obviously you are not a bhakth.. but most Indians tend to bhakti (desh bhakti), and it requires a lot of self reflection and empathy to realise that everyone is being taken on a ride in the name of this bhakti.

for eg. your claim that you are okay with Congress if they leave family politics is what a regular apolitical person would claim. If you think about it, why should anyone care what the internal politics of a polical party is? Political parties should be judged on their policies. And on that front, Congress is galaxies ahead of BJP, which doesn't have a single redeeming thing about it, policywise.

anyway if you hate Congress so much, its better to support your regional party, and hope for a coalition in the center. Whether the coalition is trong or weak is immaterial. It is actually good if the union govt is constantly weak than strong like we have now. Surprisingly a lot of things get done when the union govt is weak. I know its counter intuitive, but if you want I can explain why.

Pls don't go back to supporting Modi because he was strong in responding to outside forces, or that he stopped terrorist attacks. He didn't stop sh1t. terrorist attacks themselves have come down all around the globe. Kashmir still had a few.

 

[Iriswest]

4 minutes ago, Raven_Rayes said:

obviously you are not a bhakth.. but most Indians tend to bhakti (desh bhakti), and it requires a lot of self reflection and empathy to realise that everyone is being taken on a ride in the name of this bhakti.

for eg. your claim that you are okay with Congress if they leave family politics is what a regular apolitical person would claim. If you think about it, why should anyone care what the internal politics of a polical party is? Political parties should be judged on their policies. And on that front, Congress is galaxies ahead of BJP, which doesn't have a single redeeming thing about it, policywise.

anyway if you hate Congress so much, its better to support your regional party, and hope for a coalition in the center. Whether the coalition is trong or weak is immaterial. It is actually good if the union govt is constantly weak than strong like we have now. Surprisingly a lot of things get done when the union govt is weak. I know its counter intuitive, but if you want I can explain why.

Pls don't go back to supporting Modi because he was strong in responding to outside forces, or that he stopped terrorist attacks. He didn't stop sh1t. terrorist attacks themselves have come down all around the globe. Kashmir still had a few.

 

I am not against family politics if they are efficient. With members like sharad pawar, robert vadra and rahul gandhi representing the party, there is no scope of gaining public trust. Corruption is the main antagonist in congress party’s success. That is why I say change the candidates that represent your party to gain trust. Bjp has to get rid of modi, shah and yogi. Ideology is the main antagonist of this party.

 

the problem is there are not enough regional parties that can form the gathbandhan. Eventually the third party front has to get the support of one or other monsters to remain in power. 
 

 

[Raven_Rayes]

India needs a weak union govt. a union govt that can be pulled from all sides, and be constantly afraid that they are gonna lose their majority.

It won't affect any regular executive actions like military, and infrastructure spending much. It'll only lead to overall better understanding of how to function as a union of different cultures, and lead to better policies that benefit all.

I don't understand why people have this fascination for a strongman. Strongmen are assholes, and should be discarded from society. This is not the age of empires. India is currently being ruled like its an empire. Not a modern functioning state.

French revolution actually murdered its emperor. lol.

[modi_bhakth]

4 minutes ago, Raven_Rayes said:

India needs a weak union govt. a union govt that can be pulled from all sides, and be constantly afraid that they are gonna lose their majority.

It won't affect any regular executive actions like military, and infrastructure spending much. It'll only lead to overall better understanding of how to function as a union of different cultures, and lead to better policies that benefit all.

I don't understand why people have this fascination for a strongman. Strongmen are assholes, and should be discarded from society. This is not the age of empires. India is currently being ruled like its an empire. Not a modern functioning state.

French revolution actually murdered its emperor. lol.

You are missing the difference between  strong man vs boosted strong man ( projected strong men)

boosted strong men shows their inability like modi when crisis like covid 

strong men shows their strength even in harder times like Aung San Suu Kyi

Your example of french revolution aptly suits for modi

[Raven_Rayes]

6 minutes ago, Iriswest said:

I am not against family politics if they are efficient. With members like sharad pawar, robert vadra and rahul gandhi representing the party, there is no scope of gaining public trust. Corruption is the main antagonist in congress party’s success. That is why I say change the candidates that represent your party to gain trust. Bjp has to get rid of modi, shah and yogi. Ideology is the main antagonist of this party.

 

the problem is there are not enough regional parties that can form the gathbandhan. Eventually the third party front has to get the support of one or other monsters to remain in power.

Politics is not optimized for efficiency in a democracy. It is battlefield of competing interests, which are carefully negotiated by politicians. If anything, the more flexible a politician is, the better he/she is in a democracy.

The health crisis you see today is a result of decades of policy failure, and most upper class are reacting because it hit them this time.. Otherwise for someone in the lower class, this is their reality every day in India. If they fall sick, they are mostly fcuked. Upper classes would forget about this within the next 3 months, and stan for Modi again.

So when you talk about efficiency, you imagine one particular leader or a group of leaders driving improvement in infrastructure, but that is not how things happen. Social infrastructure like health, education improves if there's representation from the lowest section of the society or if there's a scientific analysis of how to govern.. Efficiency comes with political will, when the political class wants to get something done, it will create the right environment for things to happen.

and political will is determined by ideology. Parties like BJP has a toxic ideology. Congress has no ideology, but has its ears to the experts and is willing to take risks to implement them.

It doesn't matter who forms the coalition at the center or if they will have enough MPs to form the govt. You vote based on what you think is right, and let them figure out who to let rule. eventually they'll get it right after a few false starts.

Ultimately a strong union govt is death knell for states and the union itself. India is too diverse  for a strong union govt to work.

 

 

[Raven_Rayes]

1 hour ago, modi_bhakth said:

You are missing the difference between  strong man vs boosted strong man ( projected strong men)

boosted strong men shows their inability like modi when crisis like covid 

strong men shows their strength even in harder times like Aung San Suu Kyi

Your example of french revolution aptly suits for modi

I'm against real strong men too. especially at the union level.. even at the state level.

but if it does improve efficiency for a little while its okay. eventually its not gonna work in the long run.

leaders must stay in the background, if you want a decent funcitoning society. They should not be strong at all.

[bhaigan]

6 hours ago, Iriswest said:

Ekkadunnaru ayya. Akkadokallu akkadokallu kalisi mahagathbandhan antaru. Adi ivalo repo koolipoye type untadi. Politicians should know that they have ti chnage their stance and approach right now. INC lo family politics etteste, I am open to giving them a chance.

A family ae lekapothe INC ekkadidi cheppu, anduke last time they gave chance to MMS as PM

[bhaigan]

3 hours ago, Raven_Rayes said:

Politics is not optimized for efficiency in a democracy. It is battlefield of competing interests, which are carefully negotiated by politicians. If anything, the more flexible a politician is, the better he/she is in a democracy.

The health crisis you see today is a result of decades of policy failure, and most upper class are reacting because it hit them this time.. Otherwise for someone in the lower class, this is their reality every day in India. If they fall sick, they are mostly fcuked. Upper classes would forget about this within the next 3 months, and stan for Modi again.

So when you talk about efficiency, you imagine one particular leader or a group of leaders driving improvement in infrastructure, but that is not how things happen. Social infrastructure like health, education improves if there's representation from the lowest section of the society or if there's a scientific analysis of how to govern.. Efficiency comes with political will, when the political class wants to get something done, it will create the right environment for things to happen.

and political will is determined by ideology. Parties like BJP has a toxic ideology. Congress has no ideology, but has its ears to the experts and is willing to take risks to implement them.

It doesn't matter who forms the coalition at the center or if they will have enough MPs to form the govt. You vote based on what you think is right, and let them figure out who to let rule. eventually they'll get it right after a few false starts.

Ultimately a strong union govt is death knell for states and the union itself. India is too diverse  for a strong union govt to work.

 

 

Bruh you nailed it man

[Ellen]

6 hours ago, Amrita said:

Emergency ante usually president Rule aey kada . But there isn’t anything like health emergency . So not possible apparently. 

President's rule happens only for state emergency. Here president will assume executive power if a particular state emergency is declared

6 hours ago, Iriswest said:

How Indira Gandhi did it?

Indira declared national emergency. In case of national emergency central government will assume all the legislative and financial powers. They can legislate anything from state list. But this is suitable only in case where there is a grave danger from external forces. If you declare emergency now, the center will only become more authoritative -opposed to what you are expecting. What we need right now is more activism from states. They need to handle themselves better without relying on center which is only super worried about their PR image alone (look at stuff like social media cleansing etc.) than the actual public. 

[Ellen]

4 hours ago, Raven_Rayes said:

 

Ultimately a strong union govt is death knell for states and the union itself. India is too diverse  for a strong union govt to work.

 

 

ABSOLUTELY 1000/1000

[bhaigan]

5 hours ago, Raven_Rayes said:

 

Ultimately a strong union govt is death knell for states and the union itself. India is too diverse  for a strong union govt to work.

 

 

This is the reason UPA 1 in successful, In UPA 2 union govt became too too weak hence death blow for congress in 2014

Union govt. should neither be too strong nor too weak also

[dewarist]

6 hours ago, Zindagi247 said:

Next time kuda NDA is going to form the Govt. em ekkuntaro ekkondi.

Summarizes the attitude of BJP, sacche janalu ela aina chastaru, power mukhyam.

[futureofandhra]

2 minutes ago, dewarist said:

Summarizes the attitude of BJP, sacche janalu ela aina chastaru, power mukhyam.

useless opposition

 

[Ellen]

9 minutes ago, bhaigan said:

That is the reason UPA 1 in successful, In UPA 2 union govt. became too too weak hence death blow for congress in 2014

Union govt. should neither be too strong nor too weak also

Cooperative federalism