What is great about India?

[Raven_Rayes]

5 minutes ago, Telugodura456 said:

you are not seeking any enlightenment. You re here on a grudge against me. You made language nationalism as popularity contest - what is the popularity for your ":anti nation state" ideology ? zero.

yes. I have a grudge against you. otherwise I don't give a fcuk about a loser like you.

you still haven't apologized to me for calling me anti Andhra because I said I love to live in Madanapalle..

that day I understood what you meant by 'Andhra'... and I am sure to me, Andhra means the whole of Andhra.. not just your fav region in that state. you are a dishonest hack trying to project your insecurity on to me. its natural that I will hate you.

[Telugodura456]

Just now, Raven_Rayes said:

Nah.. I'm disgusted with your hate for TG movement. your dishonest critique of it (even though several good critiques of it exist - like the one by ilaiah).

I'm disgusted by your overall attitude towards me, even after I cleared the air and even apologized to you for making some off the cuff remarks that may have been hurtful.

what do I have to do with TG movement? I have no love lost for it after TG supporters attacks on Kashmir and their attitude of similar  oppressive movements across the country. I still remember people celebrating police attacks on anti CAA rallies by muslims in Hyd. I find it all to be sick. 

 I'm simply curious about your so called love for a telugu naiton and your hate for a certain section of telugus.

Its like you chose who you want to abuse, and then try to find reasons to abuse them. dishonest fcuk. 

 

I hate TG movement but i dont hate TG people. I think something cognitive dissonance happens to you when you try to process that statement. You can take all your time to digest but you dont get to name call me as fascist etc. Not gonna stand for it.  what did you aplogize for when you again blindly insist on calling me faascist?

You are also a very judgemental and shallow person. you called kuffir as "hating" north indians - do you know how many north indians write in the website he curates - roudtableindia.in ? how many follow them ? you form opinions on a flippant basis and too cocky to change your views despite being shown the correction.

[Raven_Rayes]

7 minutes ago, Telugodura456 said:

you are not seeking any enlightenment

seeking enlightenment in this db? you must be an idiot. 

no wonder you can't keep an argument on point and spray your piss all over the place.

you still haven't shown me a single TG dalit organization that took part in United Andhra movement in 2010-14..

In a state where dalits have no political representation (both TG/AP), you are trying to make points on their behalf pretending like you care about them. what an asshole you are.

dalits will one day speak for themselves loud and clear, and they will keep both you and me out of the conversation.

To be honest, I don't really want in that conversation. The only thing I care about is mocking uppercastes for their perceived merit delusions. I know dalits can take care of themselves, and will not speak on their behalf. especially on issues they don't even care about.

[Raven_Rayes]

3 minutes ago, Telugodura456 said:

I hate TG movement but i dont hate TG people. I think something cognitive dissonance happens to you when you try to process that statement. You can take all your time to digest but you dont get to name call me as fascist etc. Not gonna stand for it.  what did you aplogize for when you again blindly insist on calling me faascist?

You are also a very judgemental and shallow person. you called kuffir as "hating" north indians - do you know how many north indians write in the website he curates - roudtableindia.in ? how many follow them ? you form opinions on a flippant basis and too cocky to change your views despite being shown the correction.

show me TG dalit organizations that stood with United Andhra movement then, fcukface. 

you are not making a complicated statement by stating that. you are just trying to wriggle out of being called an asshole by making that statement. Its neither profound, nor original.

you are a fascist, dude. you flirt with niranjangaaru, who is a fascist. 

I said I don't read Kuffir. You posted random rants, and what was I supposed to glean from that? I used to read him 10yrs ago, but found him very narrow minded. I don't remember why. It's been too long. Its up to you to make an argument, instead of posting random bits and pretend like you have your point made. I don't gvive a fcuk about kuffir.

[Telugodura456]

4 minutes ago, Raven_Rayes said:

seeking enlightenment in this db? you must be an idiot. 

no wonder you can't keep an argument on point and spray your piss all over the place.

you still haven't shown me a single TG dalit organization that took part in United Andhra movement in 2010-14..

In a state where dalits have no political representation (both TG/AP), you are trying to make points on their behalf pretending like you care about them. what an asshole you are.

dalits will one day speak for themselves loud and clear, and they will keep both you and me out of the conversation.

To be honest, I don't really want in that conversation. The only thing I care about is mocking uppercastes for their perceived merit delusions. I know dalits can take care of themselves, and will not speak on their behalf. especially on issues they don't even care about.

I never claimed to speak on dalits either. its my own opinion (which i fully own and not shoot from other shoulders) that if at all nation states be formed then they must be formed on language basis to get the best benefit out of them. i think it benefits dalits too thats not the samething as speaking on their behalf. You frame me as speaking on their behalf and then insist i show this or that - its confusing and infuriating.

[Raven_Rayes]

Just now, Telugodura456 said:

I never claimed to speak on dalits either. its my own opinion (which i fully own and not shoot from other shoulders) 

If its your own opinion, then stop hiding behind dalits to abuse TG uppercastes. Direct that ire at Andhra uppercastes of which you are part of.

You and I have no business talking about TG uppercastes in reference to TG movement. That's why I don't speak. you have no such shame. ofcourse TG uppercastes are fcuking assholes, like its a new thing to any region in India. Tamil landed castes are even worse. do you think they are made of milk and honey?

4 minutes ago, Telugodura456 said:

if at all nation states be formed then they must be formed on language basis to get the best benefit out of them. i think it benefits dalits too thats not the samething as speaking on their behalf. You frame me as speaking on their behalf and then insist i show this or that - its confusing and infuriating.

nation states were not formed based on language, but based on already established kingdoms, and then language was forced on the resultant population. its true of all european nations, some of which house multiple languages under one nation state and serve them all in their own languages.

India is a disgustingly unequal union, yes. I hope it fails, yes. I would be happy if Andhra/TG or any region breaks off from India, yes. But this is not gonna solve the problems that came from adopting the union in the first place.  mainly casteism? Absolutely no.  

so while I'm happy if AP can break off, I would be more happy if AP becomes the center of the world for commerce and culture and tech. 

again, the concept of nations forming based on languages is just in your own delusional mind. It doesn't correspond with reality. nations are formed because there's a compelling need for the people to do so. One day when AP finds that need, AP will be a new country. We don't have to poison this discourse by pouring scorn on TG. 

if you don't pour scorn against TG, I have absolutely no problem with your language centric activism.. only that little thing you do with TG makes what you claim fascist.. and your pointless rant against me as Anti Andhra because I love Madanapalle..

do you really think I would trust someone who only responds to insults about Andhra region, and considers other regions as at best extended territories?

[Telugodura456]

1 minute ago, Raven_Rayes said:

If its your own opinion, then stop hiding behind dalits to abuse TG uppercastes. Direct that ire at Andhra uppercastes of which you are part of.

You and I have no business talking about TG uppercastes in reference to TG movement. That's why I don't speak. you have no such shame. ofcourse TG uppercastes are fcuking assholes, like its a new thing to any region in India. Tamil landed castes are even worse. do you think they are made of milk and honey?

nation states were not formed based on language, but based on already established kingdoms, and then language was forced on the resultant population. its true of all european nations, some of which house multiple languages under one nation state and serve them all in their own languages.

India is a disgustingly unequal union, yes. I hope it fails, yes. I would be happy if Andhra/TG or any region breaks off from India, yes. But this is not gonna solve the problems that came from adopting the union in the first place.  mainly casteism? Absolutely no.  

so while I'm happy if AP can break off, I would be more happy if AP becomes the center of the world for commerce and culture and tech. 

again, the concept of nations forming based on languages is just in your own delusional mind. It doesn't correspond with reality. nations are formed because there's a compelling need for the people to do so. One day when AP finds that need, AP will be a new country. We don't have to poison this discourse by pouring scorn on TG. 

if you don't pour scorn against TG, I have absolutely no problem with your language centric activism.. only that little thing you do with TG makes what you claim fascist.. and your pointless rant against me as Anti Andhra because I love Madanapalle..

do you really think I would trust someone who only responds to insults about Andhra region, and considers other regions as at best extended territories?

I am not hiding behind dalits but you are a retard and you dont understand simple things. Morover you lack the qualities of humility and introspection. Nations ki nation states ke theda vundhira yerri pappa. And no languages were not forced - if anything it happened other way - royals were forced to change their language to masses. british royalty was french from 10th century and till 15th or century they spoke only french. You are sooooooo ignorant in every way and irritatingly cocky. Just shut up and go away.

[Raven_Rayes]

23 minutes ago, Telugodura456 said:

I never claimed to speak on dalits either. its my own opinion (which i fully own and not shoot from other shoulders) that if at all nation states be formed then they must be formed on language basis to get the best benefit out of them. i think it benefits dalits too thats not the samething as speaking on their behalf. You frame me as speaking on their behalf and then insist i show this or that - its confusing and infuriating.

 

I don't think you are a linguist fascist, but you make wrong claims about language being the basis for forming nations. Its not true even in India. Bengal for one was divided purely on the basis of religion because both UC and LC Hindus were unhappy at democracy in a muslim dominted Bengal. 

you flirt with niranjangaru, who is an agmark fascist. and you have a problem with me, who is doggedly anti fascist (against all groups). which is why you are a fascist.

I told you multiple times, I'm not even close to a scholar. I'm a troll who just reads bits and pieces here and there. I'm busy with my own stuff otherwise. You are in fact less informed than I'm. In fact everyone in this db is less informed than I am, which is a shame, because I'm extremely low information poster in the wider internet world.

so stop fcuking with me. and mind your business. you post all day against India, I won't challenge you one bit. Even if you are wrong on a lot of details. It is my agenda too. 

[Raven_Rayes]

6 minutes ago, Telugodura456 said:

I am not hiding behind dalits but you are a retard and you dont understand simple things. Morover you lack the qualities of humility and introspection. Nations ki nation states ke theda vundhira yerri pappa. And no languages were not forced - if anything it happened other way - royals were forced to change their language to masses. british royalty was french from 10th century and till 15th or century they spoke only french. You are sooooooo ignorant in every way and irritatingly cocky. Just shut up and go away.

that british kings spoke french is supposed to prove what? lol. The UK was formed on the basis of the kingdom and not on the language, dumbfcuk. That's why Scotts and Irish are fighting to get out of that union. did you forget you linked to a referendum just a couple pages back? lol

Similarly france came out of French kingdom.. Germany came out of second reich, other smaller nations came out of austria hungary empire (of which half was German speaking). all of these empires collapsed in the first world war (other than France which was a nation by 18th century itself).

Other than the Austria-Hungary empire, which was fractured on the basis of language, it was their imperial borders that decided their modern boundaries of most of these big nations. 

[Raven_Rayes]

36 minutes ago, Telugodura456 said:

Nations ki nation states ke theda vundhira yerri pappa. And no languages were not forced - if anything it happened other way - royals were forced to change their language to masses. british royalty was french from 10th century and till 15th or century they spoke only french.

Royals were forced to change because people forced them? lol. 

reality: Royality spoke whatever language that benefited them. 

UK was created out of the british kingdom is the point. that's why scotts want out, even if scotts contribution to the culture  and the maintenance of the british kingdom is second to none.

off the top of my head, David Hume the philosopher is from Edinburgh.

[kingcasanova]

for that matter what is great about any nation? every nation lo evadi saaaavu vaaadu sastunnaaadu , mogga lo discussion

[Thokkalee]

33 minutes ago, kingcasanova said:

for that matter what is great about any nation? every nation lo evadi saaaavu vaaadu sastunnaaadu , mogga lo discussion

don’t get in between them...

[kingcasanova]

1 hour ago, Thokkalee said:

don’t get in between them...

thanks raja  

[dasara_bullodu1]

19 hours ago, veerigadu said:

Family, friends and village attachment concept ni pakkana petti realistically what is great about India?

Im willing to hear both positives and negatives and no offense intended at anyone

 

Natural diversity 

well if you think India is just AP and few hindi states then you’ve never been to Kerala Rajasthan JnK Sikkim North east etc... 

[Raven_Rayes]

4 minutes ago, dasara_bullodu1 said:

Natural diversity 

well if you think India is just AP and few hindi states then you’ve never been to Kerala Rajasthan JnK Sikkim North east etc... 

what a pathetic response.

what is the single unifying idea for India beyond religion, and sharing of colonial history?