Telugodura456 Posted May 9, 2021 Report Share Posted May 9, 2021 9 minutes ago, Raven_Rayes said: attempting to politicize things like religion, language, ethnicity from a position of strength is the idea of fascists. that's why you are a fascist Telugodura. Go type this bs anywhere else on the internet. You'll be called out as fascist. This db doesn't actually read the crap you post. so nobody actually bothers you. I won't read too, if you apologize to me, and stop tagging me needlessly. Nee bondhale - politics and nations are based on identity - otherwise how else will you form nations. The point is what is the most rational, benefecial identity (or the least harmful to put it in a cynical way). You dont know abcd of what you say. Just get out man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven_Rayes Posted May 9, 2021 Report Share Posted May 9, 2021 7 minutes ago, Telugodura456 said: @Raven_Rayes Rey disoriented moron - your posts show you dont know the difference between a nation, a state and a nation state. Not suprising because you are a mostly a gas bag with a andhra/ g axe to grind. thats the only emotion that guides you - no knowledge or facts. The nation of france is French which was always based on language. The "state" changed. When french were ruled by kings the state was "monarchy"- in middle ages the state was "feudal" - and in modern age it is a "republic" and this is also called a "nation state" as the state is exclusively derived from nation (not birth like in monarchy) and nation "owns" the state - it can elect them and throw them away. But in all this the nation is the same - French nation based on language. BTW you trolled me in this thread interfering about me to some other fellow. Being a generally disoriented guy who is probably high on drugs msot of the time - you may not have nmoticed it. ah, so this 'nation of France' before it became a republic was only ruling french speaking parts of the world, or did it impose French on the nation? lol. I trolled you here, because you keep tagging me elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven_Rayes Posted May 9, 2021 Report Share Posted May 9, 2021 12 minutes ago, Telugodura456 said: Nee bondhale - politics and nations are based on identity - otherwise how else will you form nations. The point is what is the most rational, benefecial identity (or the least harmful to put it in a cynical way). You dont know abcd of what you say. Just get out man. nations can be formed based on a multitude of factors. Language is just one of them, duh! that's why there are multiple latin nations, nations that have more than one official languages. l Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Telugodura456 Posted May 9, 2021 Report Share Posted May 9, 2021 15 minutes ago, Raven_Rayes said: nations can be formed based on a multitude of factors. Language is just one of them, duh! that's why there are multiple latin nations, nations that have more than one official languages. l Most common feature of succesful nation is they have one language. Other basis are generally failures apart from few examples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Telugodura456 Posted May 9, 2021 Report Share Posted May 9, 2021 27 minutes ago, Raven_Rayes said: ah, so this 'nation of France' before it became a republic was only ruling french speaking parts of the world, or did it impose French on the nation? lol. I trolled you here, because you keep tagging me elsewhere. "imposed" ante ? french imposed french on themselves ? burra vundha ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Telugodura456 Posted May 9, 2021 Report Share Posted May 9, 2021 3 hours ago, Raven_Rayes said: Stupid Telugodura, nuvvu India ni enthaina thittuko, aathcare naaku. Linguist nations ani sollu maatram oddu. French constitution of 1793, right after the French revolution, the gold stanadard for national constitutions (million times more inclusive than the US constitution that was created around the same time) 1. all males over the age of 25 who lived and worked in France for over an year, or married a french woman are considered citizens 2. citizens right is not some divine right bestowed by god (like in 3rd rate US constitution), but through right of being a French citizen that the govt of France is bound to protect at all times. They have right to live, and right to health, etc. 3. Govt is responsible for the health and well being of its citizens, and should use public money to make life easy for its citizens. This is the ideal of a nation. a govt that is created by the people to help the people. Not some stupid nation that was born out of cultural grievance, with no intention to address material needs of its citizens. They had to add amendments to this document after 2yrs under pressure from French conservatives who believed that people had been given too much power. Today's France is a shadow of the one that created the first document. ----------------- If all you want is to serve people in their own language, you don't need a separate nation for it. State govts can already do it. I suspect that your rants on linguistic states has an sinister reason behind it. To reverse the gains of TG movement, which is why you are fascist scum. French citizenship is based on French language - you simply cannot survive in france without knowing french. Citizenship definition already assumes that. thats obvious reality. State governments do what ? i asked you many times why cant people have their parliament in their own tongue, their PM in their own tongue your answer is just like what you write "hhahahaha fck face state govts are there" ,you are a half formed human who lives like a reptile to troll decent people who actually love other peopel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven_Rayes Posted May 9, 2021 Report Share Posted May 9, 2021 10 minutes ago, Telugodura456 said: French citizenship is based on French language - you simply cannot survive in france without knowing french. Citizenship definition already assumes that. thats obvious reality. Its immaterial to this discussion. The ideal of a nation is not an identity, but a common program to take care of the needs of its citizens. French state has digressed a lot from the initial 1793 constitution. In its original constitution it openly invited persecuted people from other regions to find refuge in France, and take French citizenship. Its the pinnacle for what is the idea of a nation. an organization that is created to serve its people beyond ethnic, linguist, race barriers. 13 minutes ago, Telugodura456 said: State governments do what ? i asked you many times why cant people have their parliament in their own tongue, their PM in their own tongue your answer is just like what you write "hhahahaha fck face state govts are there" ,you are a half formed human who lives like a reptile to troll decent people who actually love other peopel. don't flatter yourself by calling yourself decent. you are not decent. Most of those who post here are not decent. I've been ranting against India long before you came into this db. I don't need lectures about state-center relationships. In fact, I can point to solid injustice meted out to TN by India, way beyond silly stuff like using your language in parliament (Tamil mps have repeatedly raised this issue and have used Tamil in parliament). India has interfered into affairs of the state in much more insidious ways, beyond just language. so stop coo cooing about language to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven_Rayes Posted May 9, 2021 Report Share Posted May 9, 2021 28 minutes ago, Telugodura456 said: Most common feature of succesful nation is they have one language. Other basis are generally failures apart from few examples. again blanket claim based on bs. Success of states don't depend on how many languages they are governed under, duh! do you have even a single decent point to make? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven_Rayes Posted May 9, 2021 Report Share Posted May 9, 2021 28 minutes ago, Telugodura456 said: "imposed" ante ? french imposed french on themselves ? burra vundha ? lol idiot. That french nation you are referring to is the imperial state that did impose French on its colonies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Telugodura456 Posted May 10, 2021 Report Share Posted May 10, 2021 10 hours ago, Raven_Rayes said: lol idiot. That french nation you are referring to is the imperial state that did impose French on its colonies. colonies? who talked about colonies. 10gera piccha badakov. Neethi leni crook, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven_Rayes Posted May 10, 2021 Report Share Posted May 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Telugodura456 said: colonies? who talked about colonies. 10gera piccha badakov. Neethi leni crook, lol. dumbfcuk. it was you who referred to Imperial state. I was happy to discuss just the French Republic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Telugodura456 Posted May 10, 2021 Report Share Posted May 10, 2021 10 hours ago, Raven_Rayes said: Its immaterial to this discussion. The ideal of a nation is not an identity, but a common program to take care of the needs of its citizens. French state has digressed a lot from the initial 1793 constitution. In its original constitution it openly invited persecuted people from other regions to find refuge in France, and take French citizenship. Its the pinnacle for what is the idea of a nation. an organization that is created to serve its people beyond ethnic, linguist, race barriers. don't flatter yourself by calling yourself decent. you are not decent. Most of those who post here are not decent. I've been ranting against India long before you came into this db. I don't need lectures about state-center relationships. In fact, I can point to solid injustice meted out to TN by India, way beyond silly stuff like using your language in parliament (Tamil mps have repeatedly raised this issue and have used Tamil in parliament). India has interfered into affairs of the state in much more insidious ways, beyond just language. so stop coo cooing about language to me. Pice of like you can only lie. That a linguistic nation like France can even have ideal shows language based counties need not be fascist - this contradicts you are own posting here that lingusitic nations are facist- they actually fought aganst it. Ideal can be whatever the reality is the succesful nations were only based on language. Theoretically even better basis maybe possible but there is no evidence for it. You oppose a decent thing to justify india you piece of . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Telugodura456 Posted May 10, 2021 Report Share Posted May 10, 2021 Just now, Raven_Rayes said: lol. dumbfcuk. it was you who referred to Imperial state. I was happy to discuss just the French Republic. Where did i refer that ? half the time you are on DRUGS i think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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