2022 many all EVs (elect. veh) are coming up. Hybrid or Plug-in Hybrid or EV. Any one seriously buying, if so which one and why ?

[neethy]

2022 many all EVs (elect. veh) are coming up. Hybrid or Plug-in Hybrid or EV. Any one seriously buying, if so which one and why ?

mee jnananni panchukondi .. Lucid over range lo undi, 2 of my friends booked Rivian already. I cannot decide on any ... better to wait or go for it ?

 

[tennisluvrredux]

Buy Nissan leaf, close your eyes and buy

[pandemkodi]

8 minutes ago, tennisluvrredux said:

Buy Nissan leaf, close your eyes and buy

Does this have any incentives ? Seems 30k

[Bondu_Babu]

53 minutes ago, neethy said:

2022 many all EVs (elect. veh) are coming up. Hybrid or Plug-in Hybrid or EV. Any one seriously buying, if so which one and why ?

mee jnananni panchukondi .. Lucid over range lo undi, 2 of my friends booked Rivian already. I cannot decide on any ... better to wait or go for it ?

 

Rivian kuda $70k vundi ga

[Swatkat]

1 hour ago, neethy said:

2022 many all EVs (elect. veh) are coming up. Hybrid or Plug-in Hybrid or EV. Any one seriously buying, if so which one and why ?

mee jnananni panchukondi .. Lucid over range lo undi, 2 of my friends booked Rivian already. I cannot decide on any ... better to wait or go for it ?

 

Prasthutaniki tesla best safety abd techwise 

[Ryzen_renoir]

1 hour ago, neethy said:

2022 many all EVs (elect. veh) are coming up. Hybrid or Plug-in Hybrid or EV. Any one seriously buying, if so which one and why ?

mee jnananni panchukondi .. Lucid over range lo undi, 2 of my friends booked Rivian already. I cannot decide on any ... better to wait or go for it ?

 

Depends on your needs and preferences . 

Biden has actually repealed 7500$ rebate on PHEV vehicles this budget , so they are not as attractive option as before 

As far as EV's are concerned Tesla is so far ahead in motor / battery design that it will take some time for others to catch-up , not to mention the software 

But Vehicles like rivian , mach E , VW id,etc qualify for federal rebate 

First get clarity on what you your needs are

[krishnaaa]

Mach E with the 12500 refundable credit

Tesla is overhyped...its a boring vehicle.

[Ryzen_renoir]

18 minutes ago, krishnaaa said:

Mach E with the 12500 refundable credit

Tesla is overhyped...its a boring vehicle.

All these conventional car company EV's are gen1 prototypes , they have a long way to go to catch up with the motor / battery tech of Tesla 

It's not a bad vehicle but the underlying tech is a complicated mess and will cost a bomb to fix and will age terribly

Hybrids make more sense than them right now 

[krishnaaa]

1 minute ago, Ryzen_renoir said:

All these conventional car company EV's are gen1 prototypes , they have a long way to go to catch up with the motor / battery tech of Tesla 

It's not a bad vehicle but the underlying tech is a complicated mess and will cost a bomb to fix and will age terribly

Hybrids make more sense than them right now 

Agree.

But you get 5000$ more and a better looking interior. Experience is important as well.

Tesla isn't good with quality control.

[hyperbole]

1 hour ago, krishnaaa said:

Mach E with the 12500 refundable credit

Tesla is overhyped...its a boring vehicle.

Mach e is not made by UAW or in USA, it is not applicable for $12500.

only gm chevy bolt/bolt euv is applicable as of now, may be in future f150 and other upcoming gm evs like Cadillac lyriq

[Raven_Rayes]

don't buy cars, duh!

use public transport, or move to a place with decent public transport and groceries within walking distance.

don't understand people who buy cars.

other than to kill people walking on roads, may be. majority of people who die by accidents are walkers, and cyclists. cars must be banned.

[hyperbole]

Best overall ev on the market - tesla

best price to performance ratio - chevy bolt, after tax credits you can get it for as less as $15k. But once the bill is announced there will be mad rush for this car

best phev - toyota rav4 prime and lexus r450h, pacfica hybrid

lucid, rivian - earliest deliveries might happen in 2024-2025

[AnandaVivek]

56 minutes ago, Raven_Rayes said:

don't buy cars, duh!

use public transport, or move to a place with decent public transport and groceries within walking distance.

don't understand people who buy cars.

other than to kill people walking on roads, may be. majority of people who die by accidents are walkers, and cyclists. cars must be banned.

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[Raven_Rayes]

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[andhra_jp]

Inside Tesla as Elon Musk Pushed an Unflinching Vision for Self-Driving Cars

The automaker may have undermined safety in designing its Autopilot driver-assistance system to fit its chief executive’s vision, former employees say.

Mr. Musk insisted that autonomy could be achieved solely with cameras tracking their surroundings. 
But many Tesla engineers questioned whether it was safe enough to rely on cameras without the benefit of other sensing devices — and whether Mr. Musk was promising drivers too much about Autopilot’s capabilities.

Now those questions are at the heart of an investigation by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration after at least 12 accidents in which Teslas using Autopilot drove into parked fire trucks, police cars and other emergency vehicles, killing one person and injuring 17 others.

Families are suing Tesla over fatal crashes, and Tesla customers are suing the company for misrepresenting Autopilot and a set of sister services called Full Self Driving, or F.S.D.

Mr. Musk repeatedly misled buyers about the services’ abilities, many of those people say. 

Regulators have warned that Tesla and Mr. Musk have exaggerated the sophistication of Autopilot, encouraging some people to misuse it.

At the beginning, Autopilot used cameras, radar and sound-wave sensors. 
But Mr. Musk told engineers that the system should eventually be able to drive autonomously from door to door — and it should do so solely with cameras, according to three people who worked on the project.

Other companies developing driver-assistance systems and fully autonomous cars thought cameras were not enough. 
Google, for example, outfitted its self-driving test cars with expensive lidar devices as big as buckets mounted on the roof.

Cameras, by contrast, were cheap and small, which made them appealing to Tesla for its sleek cars. 
Radar, which uses radio waves and has been around for decades, was cheaper than lidar, a less common technology. 
But according to three people who worked on the project, some engineers backed Mr. Musk’s cameras-only approach, arguing that radar was not always accurate and that it was difficult to reconcile radar data with information from cameras.

In late 2014, Tesla began installing radar on its Model S sedans as it prepared to roll out the first version of Autopilot. 
But Mr. Musk did not like the way the radar looked inside an open hole in the front of the cars and told his engineers to install a rubber seal, according to two people who worked on the project at the time, even though some employees warned that the seal could trap snow and ice and prevent the system from working properly.

In mid-2015, Mr. Musk met with a group of Tesla engineering managers to discuss their plans for the second version of Autopilot. 
One manager, an auto industry veteran named Hal Ockerse, told Mr. Musk he wanted to include a computer chip and other hardware that could monitor the physical components of Autopilot and provide backup if parts of the system suddenly stopped working, according to two people with knowledge of the meeting.

But Mr. Musk slapped down the idea, they said, arguing it would slow the progress of the project as Tesla worked to build a system that could drive cars by themselves. Already angry after Autopilot malfunctioned on his morning drive that day, Mr. Musk berated Mr. Ockerse for even suggesting the idea. Mr. Ockerse soon left the company.

By the end of 2015, Mr. Musk was publicly saying that Teslas would drive themselves within about two years.

In May 2016, about six months after Mr. Musk’s remarks appeared in Fortune, a Model S owner, Joshua Brown, was killed in Florida when Autopilot failed to recognize a tractor-trailer crossing in front of him. 
His car had radar and a camera.

Tesla later said that during the crash, Autopilot’s camera could not distinguish between the white truck and the bright sky.

When Mr. Musk unveiled Autopilot 2.0 in October 2016, he said at the news conference that all new Tesla cars now included the cameras, computing power and all other hardware they would need for “full self driving” — not a technical term, but one that suggested truly autonomous operation.

His statements took the engineering team by surprise, and some felt that Mr. Musk was promising something that was not possible, according to two people who worked on the project.

In early November, Tesla recalled nearly 12,000 vehicles that were part of the beta test of new F.S.D. features, after deploying a software update that the company said might cause crashes because of unexpected activation of the cars’ emergency braking system.

Schuyler Cullen, who oversaw a team that explored autonomous-driving possibilities at the South Korean tech giant Samsung, said in an interview that Mr. Musk’s cameras-only approach was fundamentally flawed. “Cameras are not eyes! Pixels are not retinal ganglia! The F.S.D. computer is nothing like the visual cortex!” said Mr. Cullen, a computer vision specialist who now runs a start-up that is building a new kind of camera-based senso

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/06/technology/tesla-autopilot-elon-musk.html