Andaruuu kalisiiii Ukraineeee ni muncharuuuu kadhaaaa raaaa

[Raven_Rayes]

Just now, Pashuvu said:

So future is Russia annamata...

Russia is a washed up useless nation. future is US vs China. Russia is the kid that sits in a corner sulking that he's not allowed to play.

[Android_Halwa]

5 minutes ago, Pashuvu said:

So future is Russia annamata...

Nah...I would not say future is Russia's but power balance avadam modalaindi....US vs China/Russia anukovachu..natural gas, oil and metals ni replace chese product inka raledu...blockade valla oil prices perigithe Russian odu munigipotadu anukunte, we are also ending up spending more at the pumps anedi marchippvadhu kada..in California it's already $5/Gallon. 

[Raven_Rayes]

3 minutes ago, Android_Halwa said:

Nah...I would not say future is Russia's but power balance avadam modalaindi....US vs China/Russia anukovachu..natural gas, oil and metals ni replace chese product inka raledu...blockade valla oil prices perigithe Russian odu munigipotadu anukunte, we are also ending up spending more at the pumps anedi marchippvadhu kada..in California it's already $5/Gallon. 

China won't be stupid enough to build up a rival right in their neighbourhood by allying with Russia.

Both US and China will ignore Russia and do their own wars.

[Raven_Rayes]

6 minutes ago, Android_Halwa said:

Nah...I would not say future is Russia's but power balance avadam modalaindi....US vs China/Russia anukovachu..natural gas, oil and metals ni replace chese product inka raledu...blockade valla oil prices perigithe Russian odu munigipotadu anukunte, we are also ending up spending more at the pumps anedi marchippvadhu kada..in California it's already $5/Gallon. 

the only option Russia has is to ally with US to counter China. In exchange US can drop NATO expansion forever.

Russia allying with China is unworkable.

[Android_Halwa]

3 minutes ago, Raven_Rayes said:

China won't be stupid enough to build up a rival right in their neighbourhood by allying with Russia.

Both US and China will ignore Russia and do their own wars.

When war happens, they need allies. Whom do you think Russia will support then? They won't be a superpower ever like they used to be, but you can't rule them siding with the most power country in Asia. Both the nations control 60% of the Land in Asia.

[Raven_Rayes]

1 minute ago, Android_Halwa said:

When war happens, they need allies. Whom do you think Russia will support then? They won't be a superpower ever like they used to be, but you can't rule them siding with the most power country in Asia. Both the nations control 60% of the Land in Asia.

that's exactly why they won't ally with Russia. They can't allow Russia to gather more power, and hope it remains an energy trader forever and never move up the value chain.

war is not happening. China already has backed off from where it was a week ago, by abstaining from UN security council vote demanding withdrawal of Russian troops. Is this how a country supports another one?

 

[Android_Halwa]

6 minutes ago, Raven_Rayes said:

the only option Russia has is to ally with US to counter China. In exchange US can drop NATO expansion forever.

Russia allying with China is unworkable.

Yeah, that might be a possibility. 

[Raven_Rayes]

8 minutes ago, Android_Halwa said:

When war happens, they need allies. Whom do you think Russia will support then? They won't be a superpower ever like they used to be, but you can't rule them siding with the most power country in Asia. Both the nations control 60% of the Land in Asia.

China doesn't want allies.. they want lapdogs. Will Russia be a lapdog for China?

they are better off making deals with US that sits many 1000s of kms away from them, than be China's newest poodle.

[Kakynada]

7 hours ago, Android_Halwa said:

Those nukes belonged to USSR and Ukraine inherited. If Ukraine did not surrender the nukes, the remaining 12-13 break up countries would also come up with same demand and each former Soviet republic would have inherited few hundred nukes for each of them.

Imagine Eastern Europe and Central Asia with 10,000 nukes. 
 

Ukraine surrendering nuclear arms has much bigger history and complications. 

“Ukraine is the only nation in the human history which gave up the nuclear arsenal, the third biggest in the world in 1994, with guarantees of the US, UK and Russian Federation. Where are these guarantees? Now we are bombed and killed,” Goncharenko said while talking to Fox News.

article from ny times

[Android_Halwa]

3 minutes ago, Kakynada said:

“Ukraine is the only nation in the human history which gave up the nuclear arsenal, the third biggest in the world in 1994, with guarantees of the US, UK and Russian Federation. Where are these guarantees? Now we are bombed and killed,” Goncharenko said while talking to Fox News.

article from ny times

Ukraine never developed their own nuclear weapons. They inherited from USSR when it broke up into CIS. If Ukraine did not give up its weapons, the other CIS states would also have asked for nuclear heads. Its a big topic to discuss in this DB but Ukraine would have never got a chance to keep the nukes. It also verbally agreed at a time that NATO will not be expanded but that turned out to be false promise. 

[Android_Halwa]

33 minutes ago, Raven_Rayes said:

that's exactly why they won't ally with Russia. They can't allow Russia to gather more power, and hope it remains an energy trader forever and never move up the value chain.

war is not happening. China already has backed off from where it was a week ago, by abstaining from UN security council vote demanding withdrawal of Russian troops. Is this how a country supports another one?

 

Isit it one way of supporting? This is how likeminded countries support each other, whereas allies vote for each other.

[Kakynada]

1 minute ago, Android_Halwa said:

Ukraine never developed their own nuclear weapons. They inherited from USSR when it broke up into CIS. If Ukraine did not give up its weapons, the other CIS states would also have asked for nuclear heads. Its a big topic to discuss in this DB but Ukraine would have never got a chance to keep the nukes. It also verbally agreed at a time that NATO will not be expanded but that turned out to be false promise. 

bro they did inherit, but thats not the point here, just cos they inherit doesnt mean they have to de nuclear,, they just did only on world peace deal, but US rusisia cheated them, they didnt care to keep their promise, the damage has had already begun... ukraine did de nuclear just cos of world safety but nothing else. 

 

 

[Android_Halwa]

Just now, Kakynada said:

bro they did inherit, but thats not the point here, just cos they inherit doesnt mean they have to de nuclear,, they just did only on world peace deal, but US rusisia cheated them, they didnt care to keep their promise, the damage has had already begun... ukraine did de nuclear just cos of world safety but nothing else. 

Like I said, de-nuclear happened because of thousand reasons. Ukraine like all other CIS states were very unstable both politically and economically. Ukraine became de-nuclear because the world felt it was dangerous to have nukes with them. Its a huge topic bro, 1980-1995 varaku a lot of things have happened in USSR. Regional wars, supremacy kosam rebellions, economic downfall, oka government ki hundred rebel groups, guereilla wars. Itlanti situation lo nukes safeguard kosame Ukrain nundi nukes wapas teesukunaru and Ukraine did not had enough capability to safeguard the nukes. 

Ipatiki it is believed countries like North Korea, Iran, Pakistan etc have acquired nuke blueprint from soviet breakup countries, black market la nuke trade jarigindi ani...no one knows the reality but nippu lenidi poga radu.

[Raven_Rayes]

13 minutes ago, Android_Halwa said:

Isit it one way of supporting? This is how likeminded countries support each other, whereas allies vote for each other.

Russia is simply irrelevant outside of its backyard. I doubt they can carry on with this for even a month. lite.

[Kakynada]

3 minutes ago, Android_Halwa said:

Like I said, de-nuclear happened because of thousand reasons. Ukraine like all other CIS states were very unstable both politically and economically. Ukraine became de-nuclear because the world felt it was dangerous to have nukes with them. Its a huge topic bro, 1980-1995 varaku a lot of things have happened in USSR. Regional wars, supremacy kosam rebellions, economic downfall, oka government ki hundred rebel groups, guereilla wars. Itlanti situation lo nukes safeguard kosame Ukrain nundi nukes wapas teesukunaru and Ukraine did not had enough capability to safeguard the nukes. 

Ipatiki it is believed countries like North Korea, Iran, Pakistan etc have acquired nuke blueprint from soviet breakup countries, black market la nuke trade jarigindi ani...no one knows the reality but nippu lenidi poga radu.

naku telisnantha varaku ithey 2 reasons for de nuclear 1 - world peace 2. 2 great countries promised Ujkraine to protect its borders, meaning they should help protect their country when daangers, like the way its happening now, russsia ne promise cheesi they are the one attacking now, putin plate marchesadu... as his story now is diff, 

also 3rd reason  - Russia had a doubt whether US starting its nuclear fuel base in Ukraine, although US denied these rumours and said we dont have any plans putting the fuel as base in Ukraine, asalu e fight war anta enduku ? cos Russia has its doubt on Ukraine and US, nuclear plants deal, ala jarigithey Russia ki pedda bokka, hence Putin started this drama.