Where soviets failed economically

[Raven_Rayes]

1 minute ago, Ryzen_renoir said:

No chance for india , Chinese leadership had a long-term goal and they are removing towards it 

They foresaw how big tech wraps around the nation and produced domestic alternatives 

 

you are just overestimating Chinese leadership. They are as clueless as leaderships in most countries.

they just closed their market to foreign goods, and services, and encouraged locals to provide that themselves. I don't see any great long-term goal in these. They acted in the same exact way every big power acted before they were successful.

India should have banned Microsoft windows, Google etc. I still remember when Jayalalitha announced 2011, there were announcements for upgrading all systems of the state govt into linux, and then Hillary Clinton paid JJ a visit. the state distributed all laptops with Windows in it. That's the extent of policy Indian politicians have. They have no idea of how to protect the domestic market.

 

[Ryzen_renoir]

20 minutes ago, Raven_Rayes said:

nothing special. and nothing to crow about on 'capitalism'. coz what China is indulging in is not capitalism too..

Its not easy to open a business or get stuff done with govt too in China. The economy is powered 50%+ by state owned enterprises that are as incompetent as ones in India. It has currency controls, heavy tariffs on imports. I don't understand why China is being labeled communist or capitalist.

China is successful because of its huge population. The amount of FDI into China is marginal - if you discount FDI from Japan, Korea, Taiwan and the rest of Asia. US investment in China is marginal.

FDI , foreign reserves   etc are all yesterday's story after recent SWIFT sanctions 

Chinese are in the process of getting tech parity with the west in the next 30-40 years. 

While population is a big reason , effectively channeling that population takes some vision , look at india the biggest achievement for a individual is escaping to a foreign nation

[Raven_Rayes]

11 minutes ago, Ryzen_renoir said:

Huawei owned nearly all the 5G patents

They were also designing own SOC that was actually within reaching distance of apple and ahead of Qualcomm/samsung before getting sanctioned to hell

 

5G is just fancy term for a mix of various already existing tech.

Sanctions cannot stop some govt from making their own soc designs. Some vendors may not be allowed to ship their firmware solutions or components to China, but its only a temporary hiccup.

Apple designing that SoC is being way overblown, since its not a general purpose chip, but specific to its environment.

If the Chinese are actually innovative, they wouldn't need component makers to give them ready made solutions to build their chip.

[Raven_Rayes]

16 minutes ago, Ryzen_renoir said:

FDI , foreign reserves   etc are all yesterday's story after recent SWIFT sanctions 

Chinese are in the process of getting tech parity with the west in the next 30-40 years. 

While population is a big reason , effectively channeling that population takes some vision , look at india the biggest achievement for a individual is escaping to a foreign nation

so China is not capitalist. or communist. It just works as a federation of Chinese provinces, with a larger Chinese govt providing the guiding force.

no one is effectively channeling anything in China. They are using brute force, throwing 10000 solutions at a problem and running with one that works. Population gives them leeway to do this. Also initiative. Not just ability to profit from the solution, but also imagining a powerful China in the future. Its chinese nationalism that is a large driving force for economic miracle of China more than anything.

India's problems is not its economic system. But its fiscal conservatism, plus lack of scientific governance. extreme centralization. China is not centralized.

Japan has become innovative, yes. several path breaking discoveries were made in Japan. China has a long way to go. again all these have nothing to do with capitalism. India is capitalist enough compared to these countries. It just needs a few strong and flexible financial institutions and union govt with an appetite for risk.

[Raven_Rayes]

4 minutes ago, Raven_Rayes said:

Chinese are in the process of getting tech parity with the west in the next 30-40 years. 

sure. coz innovation in consumer tech in the west has slowed down considerably.

 

[Telugodura456]

2 hours ago, Raven_Rayes said:

so China is not capitalist. or communist. It just works as a federation of Chinese provinces, with a larger Chinese govt providing the guiding force.

no one is effectively channeling anything in China. They are using brute force, throwing 10000 solutions at a problem and running with one that works. Population gives them leeway to do this. Also initiative. Not just ability to profit from the solution, but also imagining a powerful China in the future. Its chinese nationalism that is a large driving force for economic miracle of China more than anything.

India's problems is not its economic system. But its fiscal conservatism, plus lack of scientific governance. extreme centralization. China is not centralized.

Japan has become innovative, yes. several path breaking discoveries were made in Japan. China has a long way to go. again all these have nothing to do with capitalism. India is capitalist enough compared to these countries. It just needs a few strong and flexible financial institutions and union govt with an appetite for risk.

so many words and they hardly mean anything. Fiscal conservatism is not part of economic system? governance is not part of economic system?

labalabablaba sollu at the rotten core is andhra hate.

[Telugodura456]

2 hours ago, Raven_Rayes said:

5G is just fancy term for a mix of various already existing tech.

Sanctions cannot stop some govt from making their own soc designs. Some vendors may not be allowed to ship their firmware solutions or components to China, but its only a temporary hiccup.

Apple designing that SoC is being way overblown, since its not a general purpose chip, but specific to its environment.

If the Chinese are actually innovative, they wouldn't need component makers to give them ready made solutions to build their chip.

"Asians are not innovative they only copy" - the racism that forms the basis of narsi confused worldview.

Yendho aa innovation magic.

[Telugodura456]

as per narsi - confident ga bokku thaadu china state owned enterprises are as inefficient as india ani. Where he gets that fake confidence no one knows.

China railways operates largest bullet train network in the world. China space sent almost 50 trips to space to last year - beating spacex and nasa and blueorigin combined. They operate a space station al on their own.

But eedi sodhi eeedidhi.

[Raven_Rayes]

1 hour ago, Telugodura456 said:

"Asians are not innovative they only copy" - the racism that forms the basis of narsi confused worldview.

Yendho aa innovation magic.

I said Japanese have innovated, dumbfuck. They are asians, right?

Koreans are coming off in flying colors in innovation rankings by gaming the ranking systems, just like Sandrabob gamed the 'doing business' rankings when he was CM. lol.

[Raven_Rayes]

57 minutes ago, Telugodura456 said:

as per narsi - confident ga bokku thaadu china state owned enterprises are as inefficient as india ani. Where he gets that fake confidence no one knows.

China railways operates largest bullet train network in the world. China space sent almost 50 trips to space to last year - beating spacex and nasa and blueorigin combined. They operate a space station al on their own.

But eedi sodhi eeedidhi.

how does operating bullet trains, and making trips to space count as innovation? It just means that China is investing a lot in potential technologies of the future. nothing more than that. Some day they will cross over to become more innovative. That's not now.

most path breaking innovations that power the economy have been done in the US in the last century, and before that UK and Europe. I see applied tech journals, and a lot of pathbreaking work is done either in the west or Japan.

China excels at design innovation perhaps. Not there yet.

[Raven_Rayes]

1 hour ago, Telugodura456 said:

so many words and they hardly mean anything. Fiscal conservatism is not part of economic system? governance is not part of economic system?

labalabablaba sollu at the rotten core is andhra hate.

are you going to simply imitate the way I give counters to you? haha..

you can have free markets the way India does (India actually does have free markets in most areas), and still not grow because govt refuses to make targeted spending on infrastructure or to improve demand.

same reason why Andhra underperformed under Sandrabob. because the bugger was busy mouthing off bs about development, but hardly did anything to improve accesss to markets for goods that are produced, beyond his initial rythu bazaar.

neither did he improve industrial infrastructure in Andhra. just empty sollu about building bridges to nowhere in the middle of nowhere.

[Raven_Rayes]

1 hour ago, Telugodura456 said:

china state owned enterprises are as inefficient as india ani.

this is common knowledge. look for articles on it. Chinese state enterprises are dens of corruption and inefficiency.

China ki shill cheyyalsina avasaram neeku enduko paapam. baaga kastapaduthunnav.

[Telugodura456]

18 minutes ago, Raven_Rayes said:

I said Japanese have innovated, dumbfuck. They are asians, right?

Koreans are coming off in flying colors in innovation rankings by gaming the ranking systems, just like Sandrabob gamed the 'doing business' rankings when he was CM. lol.

yea right - japanese. I can easily guess where you get your "information" from.

[Telugodura456]

10 minutes ago, Raven_Rayes said:

are you going to simply copy everything I say? haha..

you can have free markets the way India does (India actually does have free markets in most areas), and still not grow because govt refuses to make targeted spending on infrastructure or to improve demand.

same reason why Andhra underperformed under Sandrabob. because the bugger was busy mouthing off bs about development, but hardly did anything to improve accesss to markets for goods that are produced, beyond his initial rythu bazaar.

neither did he improve industrial infrastructure in Andhra. just empty sollu about building bridges to nowhere in the middle of nowhere.

hahahaha - comparing an indian cm sandrababu with japan and korea... rey narsi ga that mindless hate of caste/region is what screwed up your mind. Now you get your daily humiliations from me. I dont even bother insulting you - i just put a mirror in front of you. And you seethe in rage.

[Raven_Rayes]

Just now, Telugodura456 said:

yea right - japanese. I can easily guess where you get your "information" from.

not from my ass, like you seem to get your 'info' from.