Is this factual?

[RedThupaki]

22 minutes ago, RSUCHOU said:

Boss, he was suspended for his actions. How is that on the government? Did the government ask him to drink and create ruckus? Did the government ask him to do whatever he did? And, what has it got to do with him being an SC? Mokaliki bodi gundu ki mudettadam ante idhe sir

Arey avunaa? How come 33 dhsspsps are from one cassstte and how come amaravthii was kammmaraavathi...mokaaali ki muxxdii mudiveyatam itleynaa?

[RedThupaki]

15 minutes ago, RSUCHOU said:

They did bring in bill and passed it in the assembly, didn't they? I remember huge debates on the passing of the bill as well.

https://www.business-standard.com/article/economy-policy/andhra-pradesh-passes-law-to-reserve-75-jobs-for-locals-in-industries-119072401199_1.html

Abba...meeku idhi ok naa...then why local dairyy farmersss of APp can continue their dairyy co-operativesss or form their own dairies rather selling to guujjuuu amoooolll??

Meeku nachithey etla ayina twist cheyochaa...ok nice..

[RSUCHOU]

10 hours ago, Telugodura456 said:

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/vijayawada/pil-challenges-decision-to-transfer-dairy-corporations-assets-to-amul/articleshow/82640723.cms

The article clearly shows assets have been transferred to Amul. RRR also says outside Gujrat Amul acts like a company and not a co-operative outside of Gujrat. That makes sense - co-operatives by definition are local growers or producers coming together. 

You are arguing meaninglessly as if the fate of Telugu people is just to produce milk. Cant they make high end value adds like ice cream? cant they make UHT milk? yogutrs? cheese. dont you need dairy plants for this ? Thats where the money is. you are the same as many others - you want telugu people to live at at the lowest chain - either farmers or milkers. But all higher up money should leave state and go to gujrat or delhi.

You are neither patient nor sincere. you are playing a game and every one know what it is. Dont think people are so innocent.

All that you got was RRR's link. After the Stay on interim order MOU, this was stuck out by the court, right? RRR is rabble rouser with an axe to grind. If you want to take him seriously, it is upto you. But, for the common man on the ground, he is entertainment. Nothing more than that. 

Also, Amul was investing in excess of 4500 crores for cold storage and other infrastructure. How many telugu people manufactured ice cream before? Did I say that it was for Telugu people only to produce milk? There are in excess if a 1000 local milk cooperatives that were formed as a part of Palavelluva program. Check the official site of http://goapamulproject.ap.gov.in/. All it took me was an hour to go read about it and be informed. Did you try to read and find out what the truth is? 

And, leasing out of assets to the companies that come to establish their firms, is that anything new? Did Kia not get land worth of several thousand crores developed at a cost of 2500 crores spent by the Andhra Government to develop the land? Did Kia not get incentives equivalent to 20000 crores over 15 years from the state government? Do we need to ask why Government is not building a car factory and produce its own cars? Do you know that 

Amul operates as a corporate business outside Gujarat? Where did you get that from? Did you know that Amul helps build cooperatives wherever it goes? Well, it is not me meaninglessly arguing about the fate of telugu people. It is you, blinded by your hate for someone that is arguing mindlessly. I have no affiliations and I can call a spade a spade. Can you?

[RSUCHOU]

1 hour ago, RedThupaki said:

Abba...meeku idhi ok naa...then why local dairyy farmersss of APp can continue their dairyy co-operativesss or form their own dairies rather selling to guujjuuu amoooolll??

Meeku nachithey etla ayina twist cheyochaa...ok nice..

No one is stopping them to. Please read the GOAP Amul site. there are more than 1000 local cooperatives which are formed. Twist enti boss?

[RSUCHOU]

1 hour ago, RedThupaki said:

Arey avunaa? How come 33 dhsspsps are from one cassstte and how come amaravthii was kammmaraavathi...mokaaali ki muxxdii mudiveyatam itleynaa?

You are trying to jump from one issue to the other. And, I am not YSRCPs spokesperson. I dont find them as bad as TDP is trying to project him to be. I don't find TDPs vision for the state as viable and to my liking. You are entitled to your opinion and I to mine. Good luck!

[Telugodura456]

2 hours ago, RSUCHOU said:

All that you got was RRR's link. After the Stay on interim order MOU, this was stuck out by the court, right? RRR is rabble rouser with an axe to grind. If you want to take him seriously, it is upto you. But, for the common man on the ground, he is entertainment. Nothing more than that. 

Also, Amul was investing in excess of 4500 crores for cold storage and other infrastructure. How many telugu people manufactured ice cream before? Did I say that it was for Telugu people only to produce milk? There are in excess if a 1000 local milk cooperatives that were formed as a part of Palavelluva program. Check the official site of http://goapamulproject.ap.gov.in/. All it took me was an hour to go read about it and be informed. Did you try to read and find out what the truth is? 

And, leasing out of assets to the companies that come to establish their firms, is that anything new? Did Kia not get land worth of several thousand crores developed at a cost of 2500 crores spent by the Andhra Government to develop the land? Did Kia not get incentives equivalent to 20000 crores over 15 years from the state government? Do we need to ask why Government is not building a car factory and produce its own cars? Do you know that 

Amul operates as a corporate business outside Gujarat? Where did you get that from? Did you know that Amul helps build cooperatives wherever it goes? Well, it is not me meaninglessly arguing about the fate of telugu people. It is you, blinded by your hate for someone that is arguing mindlessly. I have no affiliations and I can call a spade a spade. Can you?

So RRR - who is a minister and who is in public is a rabble rouser but you in an anonymous forum is the only unbiased guy here?. RRR ofcourse can be a rabble rouser but that needs to be proven showing where he is wrong. Courts will strike down as Govt has right to transfer its properties and make agreements on it but that does not mean it was done in a fair manner. Why was there no bidding before these contracts were made ?

You are making accusation against Amaravti land pooling which made local farmers wealthy and giving telugu people an oppurtunity for a city because your uncles cousins MLA got some money. Why was no court able to judge it ? You have one standard for your favorites and another for others. 

COmparing AMUL with Kia is such a pathetic joke. Kia is a cutting edge auto manufactures not in milk, dung, vegetable business. We need foreign investment in such cutting edge areas not hit on stomachs of our farmers who can easily form co-operatives to make milk, ice cream, butter milk gatra.

Amul operates a corporate business outside is claim of RRR> I just said what he said. It is a specific accusation and he is putting his credibility behind. Can you prove it is not ? how does repeating an accusation of a public person make it hate ?

[Telugodura456]

2 hours ago, RSUCHOU said:

You are trying to jump from one issue to the other. And, I am not YSRCPs spokesperson. I dont find them as bad as TDP is trying to project him to be. I don't find TDPs vision for the state as viable and to my liking. You are entitled to your opinion and I to mine. Good luck!

What vision do you have for andhra people ? tell me. All the vision you have is kill amravati, kill TDP, Kill Heritage. Andhra is a largely agricultural state with no city compared to its peers in other south indian states - is there any vision for it? the state has the lowest per capita income in southern states - is there any vision for it? there are barely any white collard jobs for educated youth in andhra - is there any vision for it?

All you have is cover drives - my cousins uncles teacher said they are OK with the andhra as it is. Farmers are saying Amul is Ok as it pays a rupee more (not substantiated btw thats jsut saakshi propoganda)

[RSUCHOU]

18 hours ago, Telugodura456 said:

What vision do you have for andhra people ? tell me. All the vision you have is kill amravati, kill TDP, Kill Heritage. Andhra is a largely agricultural state with no city compared to its peers in other south indian states - is there any vision for it? the state has the lowest per capita income in southern states - is there any vision for it? there are barely any white collard jobs for educated youth in andhra - is there any vision for it?

All you have is cover drives - my cousins uncles teacher said they are OK with the andhra as it is. Farmers are saying Amul is Ok as it pays a rupee more (not substantiated btw thats jsut saakshi propoganda)

Andhra is an agricultural state that is planning to build a concrete jungle in 40000 acres of its most fertile land. My vision for the state is not to do that. What will it do with the 40000 acres it collected. Put it into developing a super big agricultural College University trying to develop cutting edge farming policies. 

Andhra has migrant labour problem. Give fillip to MSME. Not huge projects. MSMEs. Develop a skill development corporation that does not focus just on IT or Manufacturing labour. Essential life skills.

Tie up with cooperatives else where and see how to implement something similar in our state.

Concentrate on irrigation projects. Become self sufficient in power generation. 

Don't spend on building a massive capital. Focus on letting it grow organically.

Concentrate on developing gourmet tourism experience. Like coffee growing in Araku/horseley hills. Boost local economies.

Provide good education in government schools and colleges. I am from a government aided school and government college. The problems need to be addressed.

Provide accessibility to health care. Strengthen your PHCs. I will give you an example. In Kuppam, the most famous private hospital is run by an RMP who is not qualified to perform surgeries. He performs all operations right from Appendicitis to deliveries. There are atleast 10 cases in a year when the patient passes away on the table. There is a government PHC that has a qualified surgeon who is a DMO. How many ever times he seizes the private hospital, it gets opened up again because of political interference. Build a health system free of political interference. This can happen when primary medical infrastructure of the state is developed and doctors are available. 

I paid 120 rs pa for school and -500 rs for intermediate in a government aided school and government college. Well i graduated before fees reimbursement started. So paid handsomely for an engineering degree. I was able to as my family had means. No body ever should stay away from education because of affordability. So, any government that works towards strengthening the government education system will have my support.

What's your vision? 

Well Kill TDP? Last of my concerns. You need to understand that, there are people that are apolitical and are not driven by affiliations. I would like to see someone like a JP in power. But, unfortunately we don't let people like them thrive. So, you vote for the lesser evil. Last time, for me CBN was pure evil and I voted for the better option then. The next time, I shall assess my options, if he presents a better plan for the state, i don't mind voting him back to power. Till date, he is not offering any solutions. He is going about with an empty rhetoric. So, if he can change the game before the election date, I am game. If not, assess who is a lesser evil and vote. I don't believe in NOTA. Not until others are also as politically aware and apolitical.

[RSUCHOU]

19 hours ago, Telugodura456 said:

So RRR - who is a minister and who is in public is a rabble rouser but you in an anonymous forum is the only unbiased guy here?. RRR ofcourse can be a rabble rouser but that needs to be proven showing where he is wrong. Courts will strike down as Govt has right to transfer its properties and make agreements on it but that does not mean it was done in a fair manner. Why was there no bidding before these contracts were made ?

You are making accusation against Amaravti land pooling which made local farmers wealthy and giving telugu people an oppurtunity for a city because your uncles cousins MLA got some money. Why was no court able to judge it ? You have one standard for your favorites and another for others. 

COmparing AMUL with Kia is such a pathetic joke. Kia is a cutting edge auto manufactures not in milk, dung, vegetable business. We need foreign investment in such cutting edge areas not hit on stomachs of our farmers who can easily form co-operatives to make milk, ice cream, butter milk gatra.

Amul operates a corporate business outside is claim of RRR> I just said what he said. It is a specific accusation and he is putting his credibility behind. Can you prove it is not ? how does repeating an accusation of a public person make it hate ?

You bring in a court stay to make your point. I pointed out that, the court ruled in Government's favour. Now you want to backtrack with just because court said, it's not right. 

I am not making any accusations against Amaravati. I am opposed to the idea of centralisation of development. In one of the points about possible corruption in the exercise, I pointed out that my MLA, not a cousin's uncle's friend that benefitted from it. I have first hand information.

Making icecream doesn't need infrastructure? Do you know that the cost of infrastructure that Amul has far outnumbers Kia? Kia has a turnover of 1.5 billion USD in India. Amul's turnover in India is 55000 crores, which is close to 8 billion USD. Every penny that Amul earns will be in India. Kia's revenue moves out of India. Gujarat is a villian, but Korea is a hero?

RRR's accusation and his credibility on line? I gave you links to the official government site and Amul site itself. What other proof do you need? You are blinded by your politics seemingly. 

Bidding? Bidding from whom? Did Kia bid?

[Telugodura456]

5 hours ago, RSUCHOU said:

You bring in a court stay to make your point. I pointed out that, the court ruled in Government's favour. Now you want to backtrack with just because court said, it's not right. 

I am not making any accusations against Amaravati. I am opposed to the idea of centralisation of development. In one of the points about possible corruption in the exercise, I pointed out that my MLA, not a cousin's uncle's friend that benefitted from it. I have first hand information.

Making icecream doesn't need infrastructure? Do you know that the cost of infrastructure that Amul has far outnumbers Kia? Kia has a turnover of 1.5 billion USD in India. Amul's turnover in India is 55000 crores, which is close to 8 billion USD. Every penny that Amul earns will be in India. Kia's revenue moves out of India. Gujarat is a villian, but Korea is a hero?

RRR's accusation and his credibility on line? I gave you links to the official government site and Amul site itself. What other proof do you need? You are blinded by your politics seemingly. 

Bidding? Bidding from whom? Did Kia bid?

All this arguments about "centralization" are mental patient arguments. How can any large entity run without centralization? it is not only govt. will Apple have CEO in california, CFO in Dallas, COO in NYC ? will president of usa have an office in washington and VP work from chicago ? Does Modi work from delhi and President works from chennai? You know the reality but you blindly say stupid mental patient arguements.

If you dont want governance at state level not to be centralized basically you dont want state to survive as an entity. All these are  arguments with caste calculation and political vendetta with absolute carelessness about people and their future.

Stop embarassing yourself with "Amul" assets. The value of agricultural lands even in assam will be multiple times more than hi tech city or KIA. will you send your son to work in assam or in KIA if you had a chance ?

You - an anonymously poster - talking about your MLA is worthless arguement. Show that the court proved he benefited illegally. You don't have proof but you claim there is corruption. Now court said no to PIL on AMul - you suddenly declare nothing wrong with Amul because of just court not addressing a PIL. You can be judicially correct but still corrupt.

KIA ki bidding endhi? THey have states vying with each other to get the investment. Every post shows how crazy your thoughts are.

[Telugodura456]

5 hours ago, RSUCHOU said:

Andhra is an agricultural state that is planning to build a concrete jungle in 40000 acres of its most fertile land. My vision for the state is not to do that. What will it do with the 40000 acres it collected. Put it into developing a super big agricultural College University trying to develop cutting edge farming policies. 

Andhra has migrant labour problem. Give fillip to MSME. Not huge projects. MSMEs. Develop a skill development corporation that does not focus just on IT or Manufacturing labour. Essential life skills.

Tie up with cooperatives else where and see how to implement something similar in our state.

Concentrate on irrigation projects. Become self sufficient in power generation. 

Don't spend on building a massive capital. Focus on letting it grow organically.

Concentrate on developing gourmet tourism experience. Like coffee growing in Araku/horseley hills. Boost local economies.

Provide good education in government schools and colleges. I am from a government aided school and government college. The problems need to be addressed.

Provide accessibility to health care. Strengthen your PHCs. I will give you an example. In Kuppam, the most famous private hospital is run by an RMP who is not qualified to perform surgeries. He performs all operations right from Appendicitis to deliveries. There are atleast 10 cases in a year when the patient passes away on the table. There is a government PHC that has a qualified surgeon who is a DMO. How many ever times he seizes the private hospital, it gets opened up again because of political interference. Build a health system free of political interference. This can happen when primary medical infrastructure of the state is developed and doctors are available. 

I paid 120 rs pa for school and -500 rs for intermediate in a government aided school and government college. Well i graduated before fees reimbursement started. So paid handsomely for an engineering degree. I was able to as my family had means. No body ever should stay away from education because of affordability. So, any government that works towards strengthening the government education system will have my support.

What's your vision? 

Well Kill TDP? Last of my concerns. You need to understand that, there are people that are apolitical and are not driven by affiliations. I would like to see someone like a JP in power. But, unfortunately we don't let people like them thrive. So, you vote for the lesser evil. Last time, for me CBN was pure evil and I voted for the better option then. The next time, I shall assess my options, if he presents a better plan for the state, i don't mind voting him back to power. Till date, he is not offering any solutions. He is going about with an empty rhetoric. So, if he can change the game before the election date, I am game. If not, assess who is a lesser evil and vote. I don't believe in NOTA. Not until others are also as politically aware and apolitical.

  Your argument is Andhra is an agricutlural state so it must remain an agircultural state ? that is an arugement? will you make your children do farming if you lvoe agricutlure so much ? No you wont. But you want telugu people to work in hot sun, milk cows and give money to AMul and to work outside state. Talk about hypocrisy - it is there in every nerve of yours.

All of the sweet things you are saying about "gourmet tourism" wont exist without huge amount of capital and industrialization. That requires urbanization at massive scale. This are cloud cuckoo mental arguements.

[Trump_is_a_moron9]

6 hours ago, RSUCHOU said:

I am not making any accusations against Amaravati. I am opposed to the idea of centralisation of development. In one of the points about possible corruption in the exercise, I pointed out that my MLA, not a cousin's uncle's friend that benefitted from it. I have first hand information.

How come since this CM proposed a three capital solution, suddenly some people are latching onto the decentralisation idea despite it never being implemented anywhere outside some random country? Just because some place is a capital doesn't mean other places stop developing nor does it mean it would automatically grow without any effort. If that were the case, maybe we could have 20+ capitals I'm every district! It doesn't stop corruption either because instead of one place where insider trading could be done, now you have three places. Jagan has lots of bemami land near the Rushikonda area in Vizag and he probably has some in Kurnool as well which is close to his homebase. 

 

I honestly can't believe this discussion where you are assessing which party to vote for. The two parties are not remotely similar even ideologically. One is for infrastructure development and the other is for social upliftment of the poor. And if you, someone who was inclined towards CBN in the past, really believe the YSRCP may be a viable alternative in that direction, I have to question if you even live in AP right now because at ground level apart from freebies, the administration is a huge disaster without even bare minimums like proper power supply. 

 

 

[RSUCHOU]

3 hours ago, Trump_is_a_moron9 said:

How come since this CM proposed a three capital solution, suddenly some people are latching onto the decentralisation idea despite it never being implemented anywhere outside some random country? Just because some place is a capital doesn't mean other places stop developing nor does it mean it would automatically grow without any effort. If that were the case, maybe we could have 20+ capitals I'm every district! It doesn't stop corruption either because instead of one place where insider trading could be done, now you have three places. Jagan has lots of bemami land near the Rushikonda area in Vizag and he probably has some in Kurnool as well which is close to his homebase. 

 

I honestly can't believe this discussion where you are assessing which party to vote for. The two parties are not remotely similar even ideologically. One is for infrastructure development and the other is for social upliftment of the poor. And if you, someone who was inclined towards CBN in the past, really believe the YSRCP may be a viable alternative in that direction, I have to question if you even live in AP right now because at ground level apart from freebies, the administration is a huge disaster without even bare minimums like proper power supply. 

 

 

Well, decentralization of capitals vs decentralization of development are different sir. I am opposed to the idea of pouring in all your resources into developing a mega city. For all practical purposes, whatever name you call it by, decentralization of capitals is to not spend in creating a white elephant in the name of a capital. If you want, you can go to several of the old threads in this DB where we discussed that. That was way before Jagan even became a CM.

I don't really care who benefits from what as long as they don't spend several lakh crores in creating a mega city. City building happens organically and not in a big bang. Well, if you really interested in the discussion, just go to any of the several threads from before the elections. This topic was dissected/discussed ad nauseam. 

Ideology is left to the parties and supporters. Voters not belonging to a camp vote based on issues. I voted against the ills of the past government. I will vote again if the current government is making mistakes. Well, I did live in AP until last quarter of 21. I don't live there anymore. That said, I don't see the administration as a huge disaster as it is being projected. 

That said, TDP and infrastructure development? It's been a while since I heard such a good joke. TDP at best sells dreams in the name of infrastructure. Can you name 10 of the top infrastructure developments of TDP in the last term? Atleast YSRCP is staying true to what it said. Well, that brings us back to one question, I have not answered. Why did I vote for CBN, if I thought they never built infrastrucutre. In my defense, I was of an opinion that Mr. CBN was a visionary, just like several others. Well, the best parallel I can think of is CBN is like the sales guys in companies like Infosys/Wipro/TCS. They sell without even knowing what they are selling. We the people of AP are like the clients that buy their services based on the sales pitch and wait eagerly to get out of the contract as soon as the time is up to be fooled by another of their ilk. Until there is a viable alternative to these two, the game goes on in the hope of a good service.

[RSUCHOU]

4 hours ago, Telugodura456 said:

  Your argument is Andhra is an agricutlural state so it must remain an agircultural state ? that is an arugement? will you make your children do farming if you lvoe agricutlure so much ? No you wont. But you want telugu people to work in hot sun, milk cows and give money to AMul and to work outside state. Talk about hypocrisy - it is there in every nerve of yours.

All of the sweet things you are saying about "gourmet tourism" wont exist without huge amount of capital and industrialization. That requires urbanization at massive scale. This are cloud cuckoo mental arguements.

Well, all rant no substance. Is that where we are headed to? Agricultural point was what you brought in. As I said, I am for MSMEs and urbanization. I said, telugu people should work in hot sun. Sure. What is your idea on how to make them work in ACs and not hot sun? If you don't read on the topic of Amul and just want to blabber, be my guest. The infrastructure Amul is establishing is in Andhra Pradesh, not outside it. 

What has urbanization got to do with Gourmet Tourism? Is Grand Canyon the most urbanized place in the US? Can you see urbanization in Yosemite?  Cuckoo mental arguments? Well, it is clear to see who is doing that here. 

[RSUCHOU]

5 hours ago, Telugodura456 said:

All this arguments about "centralization" are mental patient arguments. How can any large entity run without centralization? it is not only govt. will Apple have CEO in california, CFO in Dallas, COO in NYC ? will president of usa have an office in washington and VP work from chicago ? Does Modi work from delhi and President works from chennai? You know the reality but you blindly say stupid mental patient arguements.

If you dont want governance at state level not to be centralized basically you dont want state to survive as an entity. All these are  arguments with caste calculation and political vendetta with absolute carelessness about people and their future.

Stop embarassing yourself with "Amul" assets. The value of agricultural lands even in assam will be multiple times more than hi tech city or KIA. will you send your son to work in assam or in KIA if you had a chance ?

You - an anonymously poster - talking about your MLA is worthless arguement. Show that the court proved he benefited illegally. You don't have proof but you claim there is corruption. Now court said no to PIL on AMul - you suddenly declare nothing wrong with Amul because of just court not addressing a PIL. You can be judicially correct but still corrupt.

KIA ki bidding endhi? THey have states vying with each other to get the investment. Every post shows how crazy your thoughts are.

Well the company I work for has its headquarters in one state, the CIO lives in other, the CEO and CFO live in other. Me, my boss, his boss and the super boss all live in different cities. We work for one of the fortune 100. Decentralization of development is a concept to avoid putting all your eggs in one basket. Have you ever seen the master plan of Amaravati? 9 mega cities including Justice mega city, Knowledge, health, media, sports, tourism etc. All in one place. Do you even have any idea on the scale of the project and time that would take for the development? A state with deficit spending on building a mega city for what? 

I am not at all embarrassing myself. It is you who is doing it by exposing your bias and unwillingness to hear/learn from the opinions on other side. When I said that Amaravathi was a corrupt dealing for some people you were saying judicially they were acquitted. Now, when I bring in an example where the judiciary has ruled out the case, you say they are still corrupt. Either side with the Judiciary or don't. Stick to your argument brother. When we used to play cricket as kids, if a person got to play on both sides, he was called a word that I am so tempted to use now. That's what you are behaving as.

Just do a simple google search with the key words, "States inviting Amul to invest" and see the results for yourself. There are quite a few states vying to get Amul to invest as well. You have to do better than cite your yellow Pamphlets if you want to stop fooling around.

As I said multiple times, neither of us is adding value to one another. It is better we call it truce and live in our own fairy worlds. I am sure they would never intersect. Good luck and peace!