Is this factual?

[Telugodura456]

1 hour ago, RSUCHOU said:

Well the company I work for has its headquarters in one state, the CIO lives in other, the CEO and CFO live in other. Me, my boss, his boss and the super boss all live in different cities. We work for one of the fortune 100. Decentralization of development is a concept to avoid putting all your eggs in one basket. Have you ever seen the master plan of Amaravati? 9 mega cities including Justice mega city, Knowledge, health, media, sports, tourism etc. All in one place. Do you even have any idea on the scale of the project and time that would take for the development? A state with deficit spending on building a mega city for what? 

I am not at all embarrassing myself. It is you who is doing it by exposing your bias and unwillingness to hear/learn from the opinions on other side. When I said that Amaravathi was a corrupt dealing for some people you were saying judicially they were acquitted. Now, when I bring in an example where the judiciary has ruled out the case, you say they are still corrupt. Either side with the Judiciary or don't. Stick to your argument brother. When we used to play cricket as kids, if a person got to play on both sides, he was called a word that I am so tempted to use now. That's what you are behaving as.

Just do a simple google search with the key words, "States inviting Amul to invest" and see the results for yourself. There are quite a few states vying to get Amul to invest as well. You have to do better than cite your yellow Pamphlets if you want to stop fooling around.

As I said multiple times, neither of us is adding value to one another. It is better we call it truce and live in our own fairy worlds. I am sure they would never intersect. Good luck and peace!

I know you will try to take an exception and make it as a rule. .Yea ONE  of the fortune 500 companies anta. Do you have the guts to tell it by the way. It maybe true but i also think you are probably lying. Most fortune 500 companies dont work like that. Top management of ALL division stay in one place. Especially in governments.

You are the one playing both sides with judiciary - on one side accusing corruption even when courts did not find any and on other side denying corruption because court dismissed the case. .

It is absolutely clear you have no empathy or  sympathy with ordinary people working in hot sun , with no power and having per capita income less than many African countries. Thats why you can shamelessly come up with solution like "gourmet tourism". Obviously you made lot of money doing cushy jobs in air conditioned offices. Balisinodi salahaal isthav.

States inviting AMul anta - do you think it has something to do with one Gujju bai as PM somewhere ? why are they not inviting equally succesful TN diary co-operatives or even TG vijaya dairy.

Atleast for a minute have some actual heart and think about people.

 

[Telugodura456]

2 hours ago, RSUCHOU said:

Well, decentralization of capitals vs decentralization of development are different sir. I am opposed to the idea of pouring in all your resources into developing a mega city. For all practical purposes, whatever name you call it by, decentralization of capitals is to not spend in creating a white elephant in the name of a capital. If you want, you can go to several of the old threads in this DB where we discussed that. That was way before Jagan even became a CM.

I don't really care who benefits from what as long as they don't spend several lakh crores in creating a mega city. City building happens organically and not in a big bang. Well, if you really interested in the discussion, just go to any of the several threads from before the elections. This topic was dissected/discussed ad nauseam. 

Ideology is left to the parties and supporters. Voters not belonging to a camp vote based on issues. I voted against the ills of the past government. I will vote again if the current government is making mistakes. Well, I did live in AP until last quarter of 21. I don't live there anymore. That said, I don't see the administration as a huge disaster as it is being projected. 

That said, TDP and infrastructure development? It's been a while since I heard such a good joke. TDP at best sells dreams in the name of infrastructure. Can you name 10 of the top infrastructure developments of TDP in the last term? Atleast YSRCP is staying true to what it said. Well, that brings us back to one question, I have not answered. Why did I vote for CBN, if I thought they never built infrastrucutre. In my defense, I was of an opinion that Mr. CBN was a visionary, just like several others. Well, the best parallel I can think of is CBN is like the sales guys in companies like Infosys/Wipro/TCS. They sell without even knowing what they are selling. We the people of AP are like the clients that buy their services based on the sales pitch and wait eagerly to get out of the contract as soon as the time is up to be fooled by another of their ilk. Until there is a viable alternative to these two, the game goes on in the hope of a good service.

Can you define "all your resources" - is entire state budget going to amaravati? how can you lie like that i dont understand.  Your problem  - atleast have the guts to be honest - is that money is going to VJW region and you dont like the caste of 9% of people ther. It is extremely irrational but someone with caste hatred will not be rational. Ila picchi kadhal "decentralization" antu prajal kadupu kottadam thappa emil ledhu Siggu undaali manishayi puttin nandhuku.

[Trump_is_a_moron9]

5 hours ago, RSUCHOU said:

That said, TDP and infrastructure development? It's been a while since I heard such a good joke. TDP at best sells dreams in the name of infrastructure. Can you name 10 of the top infrastructure developments of TDP in the last term? Atleast YSRCP is staying true to what it said. Well, that brings us back to one question, I have not answered. Why did I vote for CBN, if I thought they never built infrastrucutre. In my defense, I was of an opinion that Mr. CBN was a visionary, just like several others. Well, the best parallel I can think of is CBN is like the sales guys in companies like Infosys/Wipro/TCS. They sell without even knowing what they are selling. We the people of AP are like the clients that buy their services based on the sales pitch and wait eagerly to get out of the contract as soon as the time is up to be fooled by another of their ilk. Until there is a viable alternative to these two, the game goes on in the hope of a good service.

Since I'm a Vizagite and also lived near the industrial area, I'll stick to this city. Have you heard of AMTZ? There are literally dozens of pharmaceutical and medical related companies there from drug manufacturers to companies using AI for nanobots which can assist in surgeries. This AMTZ is in one corner of Vizag. On the other corner, he started health city which has dozens of new hospitals from Rainbow to Apollo with various specialisations from gynaecology to orthopedics. Some of these hospitals were extremely crucial during covid times. In APIIC area, some many textile units started up that. I've also seen a company specialising in cold chain logistics expand here with a huge branch. Rushikonda area lo you could see newly constructed huge buildings and towers filled with IT companies. 

There are train tracks (railway siding to supply goods to companies) near my residence in Vizag and crossing it when closed takes 2 min to 30 min depending on whether there is one train or two trains passing by which also causes a traffic jam meanwhile that again takes time to resolve. Around 2017, TDP govt started building a mini flyover so that we don't need but 20% of the work was left when YSRCP came to power. Literally 0 progress despite it being an inconvenience for thousands of people everyday. On top of that, we used to have a small detour where you can go under a bridge to cross the tracks but the way to it is now always flooded with water that God only knows from where. Imagine going in the direction of your city or coming taking you 5-40 min extra 50% of the time! This is only my experience in Vizag and it is even worse in rural areas. 

 

And this contrast is in a place that he didn't even call the capital. Meanwhile this current govt wants to develop 3 capitals but developed neither of them really which is also evident from real estate prices which crashed or remained stagnant showing the level of confidence people have in urban development. If someone even thinks both the CMs are on par development wise, I'd have to assume either that this person lacks exposure or that they don't stay in AP or that they're arguing in bad faith! 

[RedThupaki]

2 hours ago, Trump_is_a_moron9 said:

Since I'm a Vizagite and also lived near the industrial area, I'll stick to this city. Have you heard of AMTZ? There are literally dozens of pharmaceutical and medical related companies there from drug manufacturers to companies using AI for nanobots which can assist in surgeries. This AMTZ is in one corner of Vizag. On the other corner, he started health city which has dozens of new hospitals from Rainbow to Apollo with various specialisations from gynaecology to orthopedics. Some of these hospitals were extremely crucial during covid times. In APIIC area, some many textile units started up that. I've also seen a company specialising in cold chain logistics expand here with a huge branch. Rushikonda area lo you could see newly constructed huge buildings and towers filled with IT companies. 

There are train tracks (railway siding to supply goods to companies) near my residence in Vizag and crossing it when closed takes 2 min to 30 min depending on whether there is one train or two trains passing by which also causes a traffic jam meanwhile that again takes time to resolve. Around 2017, TDP govt started building a mini flyover so that we don't need but 20% of the work was left when YSRCP came to power. Literally 0 progress despite it being an inconvenience for thousands of people everyday. On top of that, we used to have a small detour where you can go under a bridge to cross the tracks but the way to it is now always flooded with water that God only knows from where. Imagine going in the direction of your city or coming taking you 5-40 min extra 50% of the time! This is only my experience in Vizag and it is even worse in rural areas. 

 

And this contrast is in a place that he didn't even call the capital. Meanwhile this current govt wants to develop 3 capitals but developed neither of them really which is also evident from real estate prices which crashed or remained stagnant showing the level of confidence people have in urban development. If someone even thinks both the CMs are on par development wise, I'd have to assume either that this person lacks exposure or that they don't stay in AP or that they're arguing in bad faith! 

nice bro...thx for sharing your practical experiences on local issues and giving proper contrasstt....irrespective of affiliation to cassettess...partiess...regionnn religionnn etc...

 

[RSUCHOU]

8 hours ago, Telugodura456 said:

Can you define "all your resources" - is entire state budget going to amaravati? how can you lie like that i dont understand.  Your problem  - atleast have the guts to be honest - is that money is going to VJW region and you dont like the caste of 9% of people ther. It is extremely irrational but someone with caste hatred will not be rational. Ila picchi kadhal "decentralization" antu prajal kadupu kottadam thappa emil ledhu Siggu undaali manishayi puttin nandhuku.

Wow, you do have guts. I will give you that. You hold on to your tune irrespective of what the other person says. Where did I express my concern on VJA or 9% of caste. To develop the basic infrastructure for a city like it is on the master plan needs atleast 1 lakh crores. Is that putting your eggs in 1 basket or not? I am not even talking about iconic tower etc. I'll give you a contrast. The entire parliament complex rehaul in the country's capital is taking up 1200 crores.

The state government has built high court building, assembly where it is now and a few quarters at the cost of 11500 crores. There is nothing else there. I'm not sure if you have ever been to the place. When I went, it was a hugely undeveloped. This was roughly a month before the last elections. So, don't even tell it's because of the current government.

There is no proper approach to any of the three from one another. If getting to where it is now takes 11500 crores as told by the finance minister on the floor of the assembly, imagine what it would take for the entire master plan to be implemented. Is that not keeping all eggs in your basket?

 

[RSUCHOU]

5 hours ago, Trump_is_a_moron9 said:

Since I'm a Vizagite and also lived near the industrial area, I'll stick to this city. Have you heard of AMTZ? There are literally dozens of pharmaceutical and medical related companies there from drug manufacturers to companies using AI for nanobots which can assist in surgeries. This AMTZ is in one corner of Vizag. On the other corner, he started health city which has dozens of new hospitals from Rainbow to Apollo with various specialisations from gynaecology to orthopedics. Some of these hospitals were extremely crucial during covid times. In APIIC area, some many textile units started up that. I've also seen a company specialising in cold chain logistics expand here with a huge branch. Rushikonda area lo you could see newly constructed huge buildings and towers filled with IT companies. 

There are train tracks (railway siding to supply goods to companies) near my residence in Vizag and crossing it when closed takes 2 min to 30 min depending on whether there is one train or two trains passing by which also causes a traffic jam meanwhile that again takes time to resolve. Around 2017, TDP govt started building a mini flyover so that we don't need but 20% of the work was left when YSRCP came to power. Literally 0 progress despite it being an inconvenience for thousands of people everyday. On top of that, we used to have a small detour where you can go under a bridge to cross the tracks but the way to it is now always flooded with water that God only knows from where. Imagine going in the direction of your city or coming taking you 5-40 min extra 50% of the time! This is only my experience in Vizag and it is even worse in rural areas. 

 

And this contrast is in a place that he didn't even call the capital. Meanwhile this current govt wants to develop 3 capitals but developed neither of them really which is also evident from real estate prices which crashed or remained stagnant showing the level of confidence people have in urban development. If someone even thinks both the CMs are on par development wise, I'd have to assume either that this person lacks exposure or that they don't stay in AP or that they're arguing in bad faith! 

Well, AMTZ, I did hear of. Good initiative. I thought we were talking about infrastructure. No problem. Apollo and the others are private hospitals and I am glad they did serve during Covid. I definitely applaud the last government for bringing that in. I hear there are companies coming there even now. 

The current government has completed refurbishing the PHCs with ultrasound machines and improving the operation theatres in roughly about 70% of the PHCs across the state. 

The current government recruited more than 2500 doctors in the PHC on a contract basis and atleast 10 of my classmates and juniors are now serving in the PHCs now. Did you know what that number was? Did you know that more than 40% of the PHCs have been upgraded to Surgical PHCs? Did you know that there is a recruitment process underway for more than 6K medical workers including more than 1000 doctors? That in my opinion is better vision for healthcare.

I am all for availability of super speciality healthcare for people who can afford. But, the real health infrastructure is in creating better equipped PHCs and strengthening of public health system. This government has done a fairly decent job on that. They opened 3 new super speciality hospitals and got approvals for 16 more colleges, if I am not wrong.

Coming to flyover that's not been completed, that's definitely not good.  Road development has not been a strong point of this government so far. But, during my last visit to India and hometown, i saw that they were making some corrections to that. Let's hope they do well.

Thank you for bringing in your views to the discussion.

[Trump_is_a_moron9]

2 hours ago, RSUCHOU said:

Well, AMTZ, I did hear of. Good initiative. I thought we were talking about infrastructure. No problem. Apollo and the others are private hospitals and I am glad they did serve during Covid. I definitely applaud the last government for bringing that in. I hear there are companies coming there even now. 

The current government has completed refurbishing the PHCs with ultrasound machines and improving the operation theatres in roughly about 70% of the PHCs across the state. 

The current government recruited more than 2500 doctors in the PHC on a contract basis and atleast 10 of my classmates and juniors are now serving in the PHCs now. Did you know what that number was? Did you know that more than 40% of the PHCs have been upgraded to Surgical PHCs? Did you know that there is a recruitment process underway for more than 6K medical workers including more than 1000 doctors? That in my opinion is better vision for healthcare.

I am all for availability of super speciality healthcare for people who can afford. But, the real health infrastructure is in creating better equipped PHCs and strengthening of public health system. This government has done a fairly decent job on that. They opened 3 new super speciality hospitals and got approvals for 16 more colleges, if I am not wrong.

Coming to flyover that's not been completed, that's definitely not good.  Road development has not been a strong point of this government so far. But, during my last visit to India and hometown, i saw that they were making some corrections to that. Let's hope they do well.

Thank you for bringing in your views to the discussion.

I asked my aunt who is a gynaecologist and she said that our PHC doesn't have an ultrasound machine. Her husband was a head surgeon/professor in a private hospital so I'll ask him tomo but I don't have any confidence in the claims of this govt. I can't talk about PHCs until then and I'd be wary of their quality looking at their other departments.

A relative of mine who isn't into medical profession but tied up with a dentist started the latter's second clinic and this clinic would also be tied up with AP Govt for patients availing EHS which apparently is also contributed by the central govt. Until last year, AP govt didn't compensate a single penny and then they paid like 40% of what is owed. Meanwhile this person took loans from financiers at high interest rates and now it's not enough to even pay back his interests so he restructured it by getting loans at a smaller rate from family or friends and apparently he stopped taking calls and switched his phone off lately. 

Assuming the govt really has funds to improve their PHCs, then why are they not paying their bills to providers? Why are they looking to sell govt properties in Amaravati and raise liquor bonds to fund their freebie schemes? Aren't these all one time solutions to a recurring annual cost? Nothing adds up about this govt. Its like a bankrupt man promising a lot of things that actually cost money. 

[kingcasanova]

On 7/5/2022 at 12:07 PM, Telugodura456 said:

I am sure TDP figures are factual but is jagga also ?

commodes actual % overall state entha? managala giri became managalavaram why? jalagan puttina place adhi, and naturally dense with teddy's, kula pichchi gurchi TDP maatlaaadithe pichcha comedy ga vuntundi

[RSUCHOU]

1 hour ago, Trump_is_a_moron9 said:

I asked my aunt who is a gynaecologist and she said that our PHC doesn't have an ultrasound machine. Her husband was a head surgeon/professor in a private hospital so I'll ask him tomo but I don't have any confidence in the claims of this govt. I can't talk about PHCs until then and I'd be wary of their quality looking at their other departments.

A relative of mine who isn't into medical profession but tied up with a dentist started the latter's second clinic and this clinic would also be tied up with AP Govt for patients availing EHS which apparently is also contributed by the central govt. Until last year, AP govt didn't compensate a single penny and then they paid like 40% of what is owed. Meanwhile this person took loans from financiers at high interest rates and now it's not enough to even pay back his interests so he restructured it by getting loans at a smaller rate from family or friends and apparently he stopped taking calls and switched his phone off lately. 

Assuming the govt really has funds to improve their PHCs, then why are they not paying their bills to providers? Why are they looking to sell govt properties in Amaravati and raise liquor bonds to fund their freebie schemes? Aren't these all one time solutions to a recurring annual cost? Nothing adds up about this govt. Its like a bankrupt man promising a lot of things that actually cost money. 

Well, my sources are also government doctors. My uncle is a Gynecologist and my cousin as well joined as a contract gynecologist in a PHC. One of my closest friends is a Asst. Civil surgeon in a government hospital. The information about the focus on health is from them. Well they might be biased as well.

[Telugodura456]

7 hours ago, RSUCHOU said:

Wow, you do have guts. I will give you that. You hold on to your tune irrespective of what the other person says. Where did I express my concern on VJA or 9% of caste. To develop the basic infrastructure for a city like it is on the master plan needs atleast 1 lakh crores. Is that putting your eggs in 1 basket or not? I am not even talking about iconic tower etc. I'll give you a contrast. The entire parliament complex rehaul in the country's capital is taking up 1200 crores.

The state government has built high court building, assembly where it is now and a few quarters at the cost of 11500 crores. There is nothing else there. I'm not sure if you have ever been to the place. When I went, it was a hugely undeveloped. This was roughly a month before the last elections. So, don't even tell it's because of the current government.

There is no proper approach to any of the three from one another. If getting to where it is now takes 11500 crores as told by the finance minister on the floor of the assembly, imagine what it would take for the entire master plan to be implemented. Is that not keeping all eggs in your basket?

 

 

Is i lakh crores a lot of amount ? AP state budget every year is 2 lak crores plus . If you budget amaravati for 10 years it not even 10 percent of budget - not even GDP. Especially given the fact that FARMERS DONATED THE LAND. The land value itself will be multiples - the govt of AP and its people got RICHER due to amaravati and not the other way. Even a kid can know these facts but who can wake up a guy pretending to sleep.

Yes state govt has to build everything because capital is gone to hyderabad. WAs sendraal building all this in united AP with hyderabad ? You make some of the DUMBEST arguments and then act suprised when people get annoyed.

Look at your solutions - gourmet tourism, three capitals, health care. Do you know how expensive health care is ? how will you afford it without industirialization ? how will industrialization come without urbanization ? can you wait for poorley planned cities like vizag or vjw to grow ? if you are saying you can wait basically you are saying you can wait for people to be hungry while you yourself stuff yourself on meats in foreign countries. PATHETIC.

[RSUCHOU]

5 hours ago, Telugodura456 said:

Is i lakh crores a lot of amount ? AP state budget every year is 2 lak crores plus . If you budget amaravati for 10 years it not even 10 percent of budget - not even GDP. Especially given the fact that FARMERS DONATED THE LAND. The land value itself will be multiples - the govt of AP and its people got RICHER due to amaravati and not the other way. Even a kid can know these facts but who can wake up a guy pretending to sleep.

Yes state govt has to build everything because capital is gone to hyderabad. WAs sendraal building all this in united AP with hyderabad ? You make some of the DUMBEST arguments and then act suprised when people get annoyed.

Look at your solutions - gourmet tourism, three capitals, health care. Do you know how expensive health care is ? how will you afford it without industirialization ? how will industrialization come without urbanization ? can you wait for poorley planned cities like vizag or vjw to grow ? if you are saying you can wait basically you are saying you can wait for people to be hungry while you yourself stuff yourself on meats in foreign countries. PATHETIC.

And, your solution is bring back babu. Wow. I haven't heard a single constructive suggestion from you. Single point agenda. Bring back babu. 

[RSUCHOU]

5 hours ago, Telugodura456 said:

Is i lakh crores a lot of amount ? AP state budget every year is 2 lak crores plus . If you budget amaravati for 10 years it not even 10 percent of budget - not even GDP. Especially given the fact that FARMERS DONATED THE LAND. The land value itself will be multiples - the govt of AP and its people got RICHER due to amaravati and not the other way. Even a kid can know these facts but who can wake up a guy pretending to sleep.

Yes state govt has to build everything because capital is gone to hyderabad. WAs sendraal building all this in united AP with hyderabad ? You make some of the DUMBEST arguments and then act suprised when people get annoyed.

Look at your solutions - gourmet tourism, three capitals, health care. Do you know how expensive health care is ? how will you afford it without industirialization ? how will industrialization come without urbanization ? can you wait for poorley planned cities like vizag or vjw to grow ? if you are saying you can wait basically you are saying you can wait for people to be hungry while you yourself stuff yourself on meats in foreign countries. PATHETIC.

1 lakh crore - 50 percent of your budget on building basic necessities of 1 place? Why? Instead, spend a 1000 crores, build everything in a single place with approachability and spend the rest 99000 crores on something worthwhile. 

People donated in exchange of developed commercial land. Problem with the dream seller. I sympathize with the people, but, not with the idea.

You are the one who is sleeping.

[Raven_Rayes]

1 hour ago, RSUCHOU said:

And, your solution is bring back babu. Wow. I haven't heard a single constructive suggestion from you. Single point agenda. Bring back babu. 

you are wasting your time with this fool.

this fool thinks 'industrialization comes with urbanization'. he has the cause and effect reversed. Nothing you can say will ever cut through the bs universe he built for himself.

the further down the rabbit hole you go with this idiot, the more insanely contradictory things he would say and then whine at you for not keeping up with his bs.

[Telugodura456]

2 hours ago, RSUCHOU said:

And, your solution is bring back babu. Wow. I haven't heard a single constructive suggestion from you. Single point agenda. Bring back babu. 

No Babu is not necessary. Just build amaravati - YSR did not demolish hi-tech city because babu started it.  Finish polavaram. Increase ubranization. Maintain roads - make it easy for goods and people to flow through.

[Telugodura456]

1 hour ago, Raven_Rayes said:

you are wasting your time with this fool.

this fool thinks 'industrialization comes with urbanization'. he has the cause and effect reversed. Nothing you can say will ever cut through the bs universe he built for himself.

the further down the rabbit hole you go with this idiot, the more insanely contradictory things he would say and then whine at you for not keeping up with his bs.

direct ga natho mtalaadi they matlaadu lekapothe 10ge.

Industrialization and urbanization feed each other. 

Is there another guy more contradictory in this forum. contradiction and lies flow freely from you.