It Is Maniratnam Sir Who Started Pan India Films -Trisha

[Raven_Rayes]

53 minutes ago, Starblazer said:

Mani Ratnam, Shankar, Kamal Hassan, etc. have popularity in other industries but Baahubali opened markets for others. Tamil directors or actors never created pan-India market for others.

pretty sure rajamouli didn't expect baahubali would be such a big hit. otherwise he would have spent 100cr more for the first part.

things just happen. bahubali is a trash movie, but it was well received.

Po.Se is taking advantage of that reception and trying to keep that excitement going. No one stopped telugu film makers to make films catering to Indian right wing sensibilities on kashmir when Roja was received well all over India.

[Raven_Rayes]

1 hour ago, Starblazer said:

Mani Ratnam, Shankar, Kamal Hassan, etc. have popularity in other industries but Baahubali opened markets for others. Tamil directors or actors never created pan-India market for others.

I think it was a telugu producer who benefited in a huge way with Roja's india release. Sravanti RaviKishore.

Maniratnam didn't make a dime off it outside of TN.

Ravikishore could've made such films in telugu to tap the market more no?

[Starblazer]

52 minutes ago, Raven_Rayes said:

pretty sure rajamouli didn't expect baahubali would be such a big hit. otherwise he would have spent 100cr more for the first part.

things just happen. bahubali is a trash movie, but it was well received.

Po.Se is taking advantage of that reception and trying to keep that excitement going. No one stopped telugu film makers to make films catering to Indian right wing sensibilities on kashmir when Roja was received well all over India.

you have no idea about vision of Rajamouli... you're just assuming that Baahubali unexpectedly worked very well.

first, Rajamouli wanted to release Magadheera as a pan-India film but the producer Allu Aravind didn't trust him. he released Eega in multiple languages but it didn't work as expected. he planned to release Baahubali in all languages before starting the project. that's the reason they've spent 1 year on pre-production alone. Prabhas considered it as an international project and pushed SSR whenever he felt low.

you should respect the hard work & vision of other people. success is not an accident.

[sarvayogi]

on tamil land if she tells some telugu or hindi guy made first pan india all lungis will come together and rafe her in turns that too in public..so she praising mani sir is expected...

[Katti_Ramdas]

She is correct. Maniratnam movies are India famous..Bombay movie is pretty good example.

[Raven_Rayes]

5 minutes ago, Starblazer said:

you have no idea about vision of Rajamouli... you're just assuming that Baahubali unexpectedly worked very well.

first, Rajamouli wanted to release Magadheera as a pan-India film but the producer Allu Aravind didn't trust him. he released Eega in multiple languages but it didn't work as expected. he planned to release Baahubali in all languages before starting the project. that's the reason they've spent 1 year on pre-production alone. Prabhas considered it as an international project and pushed SSR whenever he felt low.

you should respect the hard work & vision of other people. success is not an accident.

okay I agree with your overall point that Rajamouli probably did plan Bahubali as an Indian film, but still the movie achieving cult status has to do with something even Rajamouli can't control.

so why did RRR not create similar momentum on a much higher budget? It was promoted aggressively enough, and Rajamouli did plan well, didn't he?

this is a bit like how 'why this kolaveri' became a big hit.. and that baby dance or something of saipallavi. Is that something that can be planned? yes, to an extent. but to achieve cult status, it has to click in some way that marketing cannot recreate.

again, you are missing the point here. Po.Se. still would still be made for Tamil audience, and not for Indian audience, inspite of the pan-Indian market rajamouli created for others. Maniratnam is not Shankar who made an unwatchable 2.0. If you think it means the movie will bomb, may be you are right. But if it's made exclusively for Indian audience and even Tamil audience ends up hating it, that's even worse.

is there a balance? Yes. that balance is maniratnam. This is about how close to pan-Indianism a tamil historical can get. Any other director, and you'd probably be seeing sets like in Yuganiki Okkadu.

 

[Starblazer]

25 minutes ago, Raven_Rayes said:

okay I agree with your overall point that Rajamouli probably did plan Bahubali as an Indian film, but still the movie achieving cult status has to do with something even Rajamouli can't control.

so why did RRR not create similar momentum on a much higher budget? It was promoted aggressively enough, and Rajamouli did plan well, didn't he?

this is a bit like how 'why this kolaveri' became a big hit.. and that baby dance or something of saipallavi. Is that something that can be planned? yes, to an extent. but to achieve cult status, it has to click in some way that marketing cannot recreate.

again, you are missing the point here. Po.Se. still would still be made for Tamil audience, and not for Indian audience, inspite of the pan-Indian market rajamouli created for others. Maniratnam is not Shankar who made an unwatchable 2.0. If you think it means the movie will bomb, may be you are right. But if it's made exclusively for Indian audience and even Tamil audience ends up hating it, that's even worse.

is there a balance? Yes. that balance is maniratnam. This is about how close to pan-Indianism a tamil historical can get. Any other director, and you'd probably be seeing sets like in Yuganiki Okkadu.

 

you can't compare RRR with Baahubali... the sequels work better on larger markets due to established fandom and popularity. this is the reason KGF-2 and Baahubali-2 had great success at box office. RRR has too many problems for release, reopening theaters after pandemic, competition from other films, etc. it's still a blockbuster and maintained the image of SSR.

[Raven_Rayes]

27 minutes ago, Starblazer said:

you can't compare RRR with Baahubali... the sequels work better on larger markets due to established fandom and popularity. this is the reason KGF-2 and Baahubali-2 had great success at box office. RRR has too many problems for release, reopening theaters after pandemic, competition from other films, etc. it's still a blockbuster and maintained the image of SSR.

okay. so Rajamouli knew that RRR wouldn't work as well as bahubali 2 and still spent twice the money he spent on Baahubali.. hmm..

Its already agreed that Rajamouli works at a different level when it comes to marketing his films and with the partners he choses to release his film in different markets.

but it has nothing to do with the quality of his films, which are basically super cringe. Literally every Tamil reviewer was either paid or too scared to call out what baahubali was. artistically it was trash. I think only one writer called it out. Its probably sour grapes, but he was not wrong.

trash films work at the BO a lot of times. rajamouli knows how to make them work.

lets not use him as some kind of standard and pretend everyone should make sh1t films like he does, so they'll make a lot of money. Everyone is not rajamouli. some even want to make movies they want to proud of.

 

[Raven_Rayes]

41 minutes ago, Starblazer said:

you can't compare RRR with Baahubali... the sequels work better on larger markets due to established fandom and popularity. this is the reason KGF-2 and Baahubali-2 had great success at box office. RRR has too many problems for release, reopening theaters after pandemic, competition from other films, etc. it's still a blockbuster and maintained the image of SSR.

pan-India == sh1t bro.

how shitty does a film have to be for such a wide audience to like it?

you can call out tamil's strategy as much as you want, but they will make movies for themselves and hope it clicks across India. If it doesn't work, they'll try again and again.

and fail. I don't see why that's a bad thing.

do you want to see everyone making movies like Rajamouli catering to a particular 'pan-Indian' market? don't the people want to see different kinds of films too?

In fact PoSe reminded me a lot of the malayalam film Marakkar, more than Bahubali, which for me is a good thing.

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1 minute ago, Raven_Rayes said:

pan-India == sh1t bro.

how shitty does a film have to be for such a wide audience to like it?

you can call out tamil's strategy as much as you want, but they will make movies for themselves. If it doesn't work, they'll try again and again.

and fail. I don't see why that's a bad thing.

do you want to see everyone making movies like Rajamouli catering to a particular 'pan-Indian' market? don't the people want to see different kinds of films too?

In fact PoSe reminded me a lot of the malayalam film Marakkar, more than Bahubali, which for me is a good thing.

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[Raven_Rayes]

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[Starblazer]

2 minutes ago, Raven_Rayes said:

pan-India == sh1t bro.

how shitty does a film have to be for such a wide audience to like it?

you can call out tamil's strategy as much as you want, but they will make movies for themselves. If it doesn't work, they'll try again and again.

and fail. I don't see why that's a bad thing.

do you want to see everyone making movies like Rajamouli catering to a particular 'pan-Indian' market? don't the people want to see different kinds of films too?

In fact PoSe reminded me a lot of the malayalam film Marakkar, more than Bahubali, which for me is a good thing.

the problem is that they won't tolerate if anyone calls their films as regional films. KGF tarvatha ade jarigindi. Kannada industry lo low-budget films teese vaallu ippudu market perigindi ante chokkalu chinchukuntunnaru. Malayalam vaallu south lo andaru chethha teestharu, memu matrame goppa movies teestham ani promote chesukuntunnaru.

I don't think if there is any star in any film industry who doesn't want to make pan-India films. this is a race for upgrade. may be youngsters kontha mandi pan-India kosam unna market kooda pogottukuntaremo. but vaalla industry kosame movies teesukunte regional industry aipotundi. so, open ga cheppakapoina prathi industry lo prestigious projects chestunnaru. vaalla movies kooda andaru chudalanukuntunnaru. everyone is trying to stay relevant to the trend.

[Raven_Rayes]

2 minutes ago, Starblazer said:

the problem is that they won't tolerate if anyone calls their films as regional films. KGF tarvatha ade jarigindi. Kannada industry lo low-budget films teese vaallu ippudu market perigindi ante chokkalu chinchukuntunnaru. Malayalam vaallu south lo andaru chethha teestharu, memu matrame goppa movies teestham ani promote chesukuntunnaru.

I don't think if there is any star in any film industry who doesn't want to make pan-India films. this is a race for upgrade. may be youngsters kontha mandi pan-India kosam unna market kooda pogottukuntaremo. but vaalla industry kosame movies teesukunte regional industry aipotundi. so, open ga cheppakapoina prathi industry lo prestigious projects chestunnaru. vaalla movies kooda andaru chudalanukuntunnaru. everyone is trying to stay relevant to the trend.

they are delusional as fcuk. there's no need to engage with that kind of idiots.

there are other kind of tamils who'll openly accept that telugu industry makes more cheerful, more generic, more palatable films that can penetrate a wider market, while tamils make movies that are hyperlocal.

pan-India is not a thing. Even with Rajamouli. RRR was purely a telugu movie that he marketed well outside through his brand.

wanting to make pan-India film is different from completely bastardizing your source to cater to some imaginary pan-India market. primarily you make films for your core audience. Its either the fans of that particular hero, or youth, or something specific. like you say, film is a business. some make good decisions, some make bad decisions..

but the pretense that there is a pan-India market is the mother of all bad decisions.

 

[Raven_Rayes]

12 minutes ago, Starblazer said:

the problem is that they won't tolerate if anyone calls their films as regional films. KGF tarvatha ade jarigindi. Kannada industry lo low-budget films teese vaallu ippudu market perigindi ante chokkalu chinchukuntunnaru. Malayalam vaallu south lo andaru chethha teestharu, memu matrame goppa movies teestham ani promote chesukuntunnaru.

I don't think if there is any star in any film industry who doesn't want to make pan-India films. this is a race for upgrade. may be youngsters kontha mandi pan-India kosam unna market kooda pogottukuntaremo. but vaalla industry kosame movies teesukunte regional industry aipotundi. so, open ga cheppakapoina prathi industry lo prestigious projects chestunnaru. vaalla movies kooda andaru chudalanukuntunnaru. everyone is trying to stay relevant to the trend.

a truly pan india movie will be made one day. Its not baahubali or RRR..

but a vision that spans the breadth of India, and includes stories from all corners of India coming together to create a great visual and narrative spectacle.

may be it'll be a web series. or I think such a series has already been made. I don't remember the name, but I remember thinking that this particular series is truly pan India. Its not family man. I havent watched it.