can russia sustain ukraine war

[futureofandhra]

Its major income source is fossil fuels

europe is blocking 

asia n some other countries procuring at cheap rates

is it sustainable

how long more russia can afford

every war has price 

kargil lo kooda india lost a lot 

[hyperbole]

NO, already they are fighting with a contract army which is ceding the occupied territory.

They have already lost the war and it is a matter of time they swallow their pride and ego to accept it.

they are ceding away occupied territories and Ukraine is on the offensive mode partly due to new weapons acquired. Also their people are partaking in the war as it is a do or die for them.

 https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/08/we-have-already-lost-far-right-russian-bloggers-slam-kremlin-over-army-response

[hyperbole]

Blame game started

 

[pichhipullayya]

4 hours ago, futureofandhra said:

Its major income source is fossil fuels

europe is blocking 

asia n some other countries procuring at cheap rates

is it sustainable

how long more russia can afford

every war has price 

kargil lo kooda india lost a lot 

Em chesina winter varake bhayya... winter ragane evariki varu sardhukoni velli potaaru.. winter lo geopolitical scenario batti malli winter ayyaka next steps untaai..

Ee territory lo winter war is impossible.. Russia supply aagithe europe gadda katti chastundi... ..

Russia will take over donbas

ukrain reclaimed other terrotories..

Europe , US memu bhayapetti russia ni odincham..

so its win win for everyone

 

[Android_Halwa]

Winter warfare la experts Russian army…their infra and military hardware may be a bit outdated but their winter warfare are the best..atleast that was their situation.  
 

Six months is actually way too long and initially no one expected Russia to last this long. Winter modalu aithe asalu panduga shuru…2023 winter kalla Europe will find some other means but this winter matram Russia May it as their chip to bargain..
 

IMO, Peak winter la Ukraine and EU countries will blink first and will set the stage for talks.

[bharathicement]

1 hour ago, Android_Halwa said:

Winter warfare la experts Russian army…their infra and military hardware may be a bit outdated but their winter warfare are the best..atleast that was their situation.  
 

Six months is actually way too long and initially no one expected Russia to last this long. Winter modalu aithe asalu panduga shuru…2023 winter kalla Europe will find some other means but this winter matram Russia May it as their chip to bargain..
 

IMO, Peak winter la Ukraine and EU countries will blink first and will set the stage for talks.

This is a great myth baa.. obviously became popular because Russia was declared main winner of WW-2.

In fact what happened was, German Army really conquered Eastern Europe and reached the Stalingrad, the heart of Russian Army in summer 1942. German and Italian Armies captured a large portion of South Russia making Stalingrad as Base.

But instead of attacking huge German Army stationed in Stalingrad, Russia played smart by blocking all the supplies from Germany to Stalingrad -- German army got only machinery but running out of Ammo + food supplies.

Russian Army waited till Oct,1942 and waited till German Army gets weaker and weaker without food....and suddenly attacked in Dec,1942 and killed millions of German soldiers.

It was easy for Russia because its within their territory and they know the Geography of the region.

Otherwise no one can fight a war in such European winter !!!!

 

 

[Telugodura456]

6 minutes ago, bharathicement said:

This is a great myth baa.. obviously became popular because Russia was declared main winner of WW-2.

In fact what happened was, German Army really conquered Eastern Europe and reached the Stalingrad, the heart of Russian Army in summer 1942. German and Italian Armies captured a large portion of South Russia making Stalingrad as Base.

But instead of attacking huge German Army stationed in Stalingrad, Russia played smart by blocking all the supplies from Germany to Stalingrad -- German army got only machinery but running out of Ammo + food supplies.

Russian Army waited till Oct,1942 and waited till German Army gets weaker and weaker without food....and suddenly attacked in Dec,1942 and killed millions of German soldiers.

It was easy for Russia because its within their territory and they know the Geography of the region.

Otherwise no one can fight a war in such European winter !!!!

 

 

hahah ...what fake information. There was no complete occupation of stalingrad by germany. Soviets fought the nazis every inch of the way.

it was one of the greatest battles in human history. On one side were nazis proud of their racial superiority and genes. Other side were communists - gathered from some of the most humble farmers, peasants, workers.

Communists won and nazis ran with tail behind their legs. blood and breed ni kuse valla gathi adhe.

[hyperbole]

13 minutes ago, Telugodura456 said:

hahah ...what fake information. There was no complete occupation of stalingrad by germany. Soviets fought the nazis every inch of the way.

it was one of the greatest battles in human history. On one side were nazis proud of their racial superiority and genes. Other side were communists - gathered from some of the most humble farmers, peasants, workers.

Communists won and nazis ran with tail behind their legs. blood and breed ni kuse valla gathi adhe.

You just said what he said without contextual information like how and when, without that brutal winter we all would have been under a german occupied territory. No one had an anwser to German airforce Luftwaffe

russia and America suddenly didn’t become powerful, they distributed among themselves on what’s after the fallout of the war like weapons, technology and even parted scientists(heck even NASA and Russian space research are by German scientists who were split between them)

[bharathicement]

16 minutes ago, Telugodura456 said:

hahah ...what fake information. There was no complete occupation of stalingrad by germany. Soviets fought the nazis every inch of the way.

it was one of the greatest battles in human history. On one side were nazis proud of their racial superiority and genes. Other side were communists - gathered from some of the most humble farmers, peasants, workers.

Communists won and nazis ran with tail behind their legs. blood and breed ni kuse valla gathi adhe.

baa, when did I say Germany occupied Stalingrad?

Read once again ....

[Telugodura456]

8 minutes ago, bharathicement said:

baa, when did I say Germany occupied Stalingrad?

Read once again ....

Maybe you dont know how to write clearly or whatever. this is what you wrote :

" instead of attacking huge German Army stationed in Stalingrad, Russia played smart by blocking all the supplies from Germany to Stalingrad -- German army got only machinery but running out of Ammo + food supplies.

Russian Army waited till Oct,1942 and waited till German Army gets weaker and weaker without food....and suddenly attacked in Dec,1942 and killed millions of German soldiers."

The simple fact is Soviet (not russian btw) army attacked Nazis immediately as the reached stalingrad. They did not wait.

[bharathicement]

6 minutes ago, Telugodura456 said:

Maybe you dont know how to write clearly or whatever. this is what you wrote :

" instead of attacking huge German Army stationed in Stalingrad, Russia played smart by blocking all the supplies from Germany to Stalingrad -- German army got only machinery but running out of Ammo + food supplies.

Russian Army waited till Oct,1942 and waited till German Army gets weaker and weaker without food....and suddenly attacked in Dec,1942 and killed millions of German soldiers."

The simple fact is Soviet (not russian btw) army attacked Nazis immediately as the reached stalingrad. They did not wait.

No, you are totally mistaken. Germany Army did occupy Southern part of Stalingrad. Of course they did not conquer whole city. And they wanted to make this as base and attack rest of Russia. 

Read the History once again. This move of Germans was not immediately attacked by Russia. They waited till winter comes in and supplies from Germany are blocked !!!

Just for the sake of argument, yedho raayaali choodamaaku.

Aina, ikkada topic yeentante, winter lo war kuduruthundha leedha ani. 

Nuvvu cheppindhi nizam aina, its not proof that Russians are good at winter warfare... because Stalingrad is well within Russian Geography which was well digested by Russian Army well in advance. So it would have been easy anyway even in deepest winter.

And to put the things in context, Russia cannot repeat the same now as Ukraine is a far away territory

[hyperbole]

3 minutes ago, Telugodura456 said:

Maybe you dont know how to write clearly or whatever. this is what you wrote :

" instead of attacking huge German Army stationed in Stalingrad, Russia played smart by blocking all the supplies from Germany to Stalingrad -- German army got only machinery but running out of Ammo + food supplies.

Russian Army waited till Oct,1942 and waited till German Army gets weaker and weaker without food....and suddenly attacked in Dec,1942 and killed millions of German soldiers."

The simple fact is Soviet (not russian btw) army attacked Nazis immediately as the reached stalingrad. They did not wait.

Soviets encircled as they captured some territory which cut of supplies to Germans, they even tried air lifting but failed.

The expansion of objectives was another significant factor in Germany's failure at Stalingrad, as they tried to go after another city/region to secure oil reserves for Germany.

They survived the winter but depleted and if I am not wrong the conclusion to the war happened in Feb and not December 

[Telugodura456]

15 minutes ago, hyperbole said:

You just said what he said without contextual information like how and when, without that brutal winter we all would have been under a german occupied territory. No one had an anwser to German airforce Luftwaffe

russia and America suddenly didn’t become powerful, they distributed among themselves on what’s after the fallout of the war like weapons, technology and even parted scientists(heck even NASA and Russian space research are by German scientists who were split between them)

his entire premise is false. he said Nazis made Stalingrad as a "base" - that is not true.

Also he claims Soviets "waited" - again not true. They had no time to wait. If they wait they will be occupied.

Also this "brutal" winter thing is hyped up.  Of the four years of war - only one winter was brutal i think.

The war was won through bravery  and skills of soviets thats all.

[Telugodura456]

16 minutes ago, bharathicement said:

No, you are totally mistaken. Germany Army did occupy Southern part of Stalingrad. Of course they did not conquer whole city. And they wanted to make this as base and attack rest of Russia. 

Read the History once again. This move of Germans was not immediately attacked by Russia. They waited till winter comes in and supplies from Germany are blocked !!!

Just for the sake of argument, yedho raayaali choodamaaku.

Aina, ikkada topic yeentante, winter lo war kuduruthundha leedha ani. 

Nuvvu cheppindhi nizam aina, its not proof that Russians are good at winter warfare... because Stalingrad is well within Russian Geography which was well digested by Russian Army well in advance. So it would have been easy anyway even in deepest winter.

And to put the things in context, Russia cannot repeat the same now as Ukraine is a far away territory

ok now you are saying they "wanted" to make it a base.

But you are again completely wrong when you say the move was not immedeately attacked - if they did not - then nazis would have occupied the entire territory.

But i agree the current russian army is not the same as red army of before. Red army was soviet army andi t was an ideological army.

Russian army is more of a nationalist army. lets see.

 

[Yuvasamudram]

3 hours ago, Android_Halwa said:

Winter warfare la experts Russian army…their infra and military hardware may be a bit outdated but their winter warfare are the best..atleast that was their situation.  
 

Six months is actually way too long and initially no one expected Russia to last this long. Winter modalu aithe asalu panduga shuru…2023 winter kalla Europe will find some other means but this winter matram Russia May it as their chip to bargain..
 

IMO, Peak winter la Ukraine and EU countries will blink first and will set the stage for talks.

Baa nuvve kada 1 week lo finish chestharu ani cheppindi back when war started...