India's greatest epic movie director??

[Raven_Rayes]

16 minutes ago, Scurvy said:

Nuvvu cheppina directors rajamouli daggarall kuda leru in terms of popularity wise. Movie girnchi nakh nuvvu sollu cheppaku ra item raja…

rajamouli oka boku director. lite teesko.

spielberg epic director anna gaani, thopu anale.. EPIC ani descriptive term ga vaaduthunna ra yedhava about the kind of movies spielberg used to make.

selvaraghavan made a serious epic movie. rajamouli teesina ye cinema daani pakkana kooda raadhu. ofcourse adhi flop ayyindhi.. so what.. go watch and tell me if its a crap movie. lot of people think its a masterpiece now, but didnt watch it while it released.

baahubali lo emundhi.. cringe scenes.. minimum dressing sense kooda ledhu aa movie lo. anushka aunty laaga dress... chasss. malli oka 4-5 slo mo action scenes pedithey daaniki build up.

[Raven_Rayes]

20 minutes ago, Scurvy said:

Ah sare cheppu ra yedava ne facts ento . 
public mundu vundi . Nvvu edo pedda maverick laga criticize chestavu. Evadu spielberg toh compare cheyaldu compare with indians ra yedava topic divert chestavu. Nuvvu cheppina directors rajamouli daggarall kuda leru in terms of popularity wise. Movie girnchi nakh nuvvu sollu cheppaku ra item raja…

mogali rekulu choosey aunties laaga rajamouli teesey lavda cinema lu choosi chinchukuney 'educated' youth.

oka taste ledhu paadu ledhu. adigithey maverick anta.

topic ki stick kooda avvalevu, nee bathukki cinema lu enduku ra babu. rajamouli fans ki antha brain undadha?

[Scurvy]

1 hour ago, Raven_Rayes said:

nuvvu emotionally connect ayyav movie ki saduvu raaani daddamma type lo.

naaku antha kharma pattaley. anthey.

Haha nuvvu idi antavy ani expect chesa ra avnu ra connect ayya emotionally saduvu endku occhindi ra ayya madhyalo. Are nuvvu em brad vaadutavu koddiha cheppu ra . Childish laga act chestunnav disco lo. Naaku okati ardham ayyndi ra nuvvu oka chinnapillodi laga argue cheyadanki ready avtavu..

[Raven_Rayes]

1 minute ago, Scurvy said:

Haha nuvvu idi antavy ani expect chesa ra avnu ra connect ayya emotionally saduvu endku occhindi ra ayya madhyalo. Are nuvvu em brad vaadutavu koddiha cheppu ra . Childish laga act chestunnav disco lo. Naaku okati ardham ayyndi ra nuvvu oka chinnapillodi laga argue cheyadanki ready avtavu..

saduvu raani daddammaley nee laa maatladtharu.

nenu ps1 ni pogada kundaney, neeku nuvvey oohinchukoni vaaguthunnav. topic gurinchi cheppu, lekunte dobbey ani enni saarlu anaali.

rajamouli cinema lu choosi enjoy chesey nee laanti bachha gaaalla kante peddodiney ra nenu. naaku koncham better taste edchindi. ila movie director kosam chinchukonu.

[Raven_Rayes]

3 minutes ago, Scurvy said:

Haha nuvvu idi antavy ani expect chesa ra avnu ra connect ayya emotionally saduvu endku occhindi ra ayya madhyalo. Are nuvvu em brad vaadutavu koddiha cheppu ra . Childish laga act chestunnav disco lo. Naaku okati ardham ayyndi ra nuvvu oka chinnapillodi laga argue cheyadanki ready avtavu..

adhedho Shankar gaadu next movie teesthunnadu 3 parts danta..

already nenu book sadivesa.. maamulu bumper story kaadhu.. rajamouli edusthu untaadu vaadikenduku thochaledhu idhi teeyataaniki ani..

kaavalantey vinu aa story ni. Avatar level lo untadhi.. even better than that.

sare na.. andukey Shankar may make the greatest epic movie in Indian history shortly.

rajamouli can't because he's stuck with an outdated writer dad... who writes cringe scenes. and can't actually write a compelling story.

[telugu_fan]

16 hours ago, Raven_Rayes said:

epic doesn't mean just historical.. any movie that is grand in scale. even sci fi, war etc, that capture hawkeye pov of the action instead of getting bogged down with personal drama.

Rajamouli, if he fires Rama Rajamouli from ever stepping foot in his sets, his movies will get much better to look at. and get a better story writer than his outdated dad.

ok, i will bite, since you have already kind of put in words what "you mean" by epic as in movies in grand scale, it will be difficult to make such movies in todays cinema, movies have moved on from story centric to hero, heroines, star directors centric. It costs a lot of money for big sets when you can just put in a star hero and get a normal story and make some money why will some producer risk it?

If big sets are an indication, most of the older gen telugu movies of NTR will qualify with their sets - Maya Bazaar, big sets, absolute galaxy of stars and still the movie did good. if sets are another indication then "Simhasanam" of Superstar Krishna might qualify with big sets and big star cast from hindi movie side as well.

It all comes down to what as a viewer anybody wants to watch. Sanjay Leela Bhansali is know for his big sets (His padmavat comes to mind, but i didn't particularly like it personally all that much). But any decent film goer knows Sanjay Leela Bhansali can't make films on underworld like RGV (though it looks like RGV has lost his touch now) or RGV ca't make films on the subject of Karan Johar.

Rajamouli movies are made with the intention of making money for the producer. He said in an interview taking the name of a producer whose name escapes me now that a good producer lost all his earning due to a couple of flops and this producer was somebody who regularly had sessions with writer and director and went scene by scene and was particular about how the film needs to be made and paid the said director, writer and assistants for these sessions as well.

So Rajamouli films are made with that intention that Producer should not lose money at the very least and his selection of comedians for the comedy track in his films also reflect the same. So when you go to Rajamouli movies it will have something for everyone so that they come to movie and watch it.

So its more of a personal preference, people watching underworld movies and like that shootouts and action may not like family drama, can't blame the director for people tastes also right?

[telugu_fan]

1 hour ago, Raven_Rayes said:

epic movie evaru baaga teesthaaru cheppu ante.. nuvvu personal ga teeskunnav, oka illiterate buffoon laaga... rajamouli fans deggara intha kante better expect cheyyalem.

sare.. Lyca paid 230cr for 2 movies to maniratnam to make PS1. first movie maatramey release chesaru.. actual budget lo maniratnam pocketed 60cr, because he finished both the movie with 170cr. this is including all the remunerations.

and you are comparing this movie with a movie with a budget of 500cr, with cost overruns.

do you realise even if you didn't like PS1, it was a huge hit? The producers made huge returns with the first movie itself.. and the second movie is still set to release. they are gonna make atleast 5 times their investment including both.

as far as the movie's popularity. PS1 was made for Tamils and for the Tamil market. it succeeded. it was not made as an epic film like bahubali. It was meant to be more grounded.

ayna idantha bs discussion.. I'm not claiming that PS1 is a good movie at all. nuvvenduku antha feel avtunnavo artham kaavatam ledhu. stupid fcuk.

If you mean a movie with budget of 500cr as Baahubali and not RRR then it makes sense, Baahubali had graphics content and as you know the more frames you have, the more cost gets into it (and because of the cost of graphics i think he advised Krish making Satakarni to not go too much into graphics if i have the timelines correct).

And because it had cost overruns they ended up making it into 2 parts as they had a long story line and also to make the money back and since untill then they didn't know if it would make the money back, they went for release in other languages to recoup the money.

PS-1 wasn't just made for tamil market, if it was so then they wouldn't release in other languages. PS-1 has to be a hit in tamil markets (unless if the movie was very badly made). This is the story with the great cholas as the backdrop which is quintessential Tamil culture shown in. If Sri Krishna Deva Raya story was made properly then atleast we will expect it to be a hit in karnataka and same with Chattrapati Sivaji and Maharashtra.

Bahubali making all that money opens the flood gates with certainty that you can make good or entertaining films and earn money. There was lull in terms of movie collections before Bahubali, there were low budget films that made a lot of money, but movie with multiple star cast and big sets were lacking atleast in the non hindi film industry and people tend to naturally take pride in their own if the can. It is also one reason why PS1 is such a big hit in tamil as the people seemed to have owned it.

[Raven_Rayes]

21 minutes ago, telugu_fan said:

ok, i will bite, since you have already kind of put in words what "you mean" by epic as in movies in grand scale, it will be difficult to make such movies in todays cinema, movies have moved on from story centric to hero, heroines, star directors centric. It costs a lot of money for big sets when you can just put in a star hero and get a normal story and make some money why will some producer risk it?

If big sets are an indication, most of the older gen telugu movies of NTR will qualify with their sets - Maya Bazaar, big sets, absolute galaxy of stars and still the movie did good. if sets are another indication then "Simhasanam" of Superstar Krishna might qualify with big sets and big star cast from hindi movie side as well.

It all comes down to what as a viewer anybody wants to watch. Sanjay Leela Bhansali is know for his big sets (His padmavat comes to mind, but i didn't particularly like it personally all that much). But any decent film goer knows Sanjay Leela Bhansali can't make films on underworld like RGV (though it looks like RGV has lost his touch now) or RGV ca't make films on the subject of Karan Johar.

Rajamouli movies are made with the intention of making money for the producer. He said in an interview taking the name of a producer whose name escapes me now that a good producer lost all his earning due to a couple of flops and this producer was somebody who regularly had sessions with writer and director and went scene by scene and was particular about how the film needs to be made and paid the said director, writer and assistants for these sessions as well.

So Rajamouli films are made with that intention that Producer should not lose money at the very least and his selection of comedians for the comedy track in his films also reflect the same. So when you go to Rajamouli movies it will have something for everyone so that they come to movie and watch it.

So its more of a personal preference, people watching underworld movies and like that shootouts and action may not like family drama, can't blame the director for people tastes also right?

I don't know why you are making excuses for Rajamouli's poor production (especially costumes with his wife), when Maniratnam made a movie with 170cr (for 2 films) that is even more gorgeous to look at, than the bland Rajamouli frames. When it comes to making great visuals at dirt cheap price, Rajamouli is not at the forefront. Selva Raghavan made Yuganiki Okadu at 18cr budget.

But I do admit that Rajamouli is the closest we have to an epic director in India. I really cant think of anyone else. SelvaRaghavan with Yuganiki Okadu makes the cut, but he doesn't regularly make those kind of movies.

so yes, I agree Rajamouli is the best epic director in India right now. It may/not change when Shankar comes out with Velpari in a couple years. Maniratnam is not even trying to make epic movies, as evidenced by how lame PS1 was in terms of storytelling.

 

[Raven_Rayes]

15 minutes ago, telugu_fan said:

If you mean a movie with budget of 500cr as Baahubali and not RRR then it makes sense, Baahubali had graphics content and as you know the more frames you have, the more cost gets into it (and because of the cost of graphics i think he advised Krish making Satakarni to not go too much into graphics if i have the timelines correct).

And because it had cost overruns they ended up making it into 2 parts as they had a long story line and also to make the money back and since untill then they didn't know if it would make the money back, they went for release in other languages to recoup the money.

PS-1 wasn't just made for tamil market, if it was so then they wouldn't release in other languages. PS-1 has to be a hit in tamil markets (unless if the movie was very badly made). This is the story with the great cholas as the backdrop which is quintessential Tamil culture shown in. If Sri Krishna Deva Raya story was made properly then atleast we will expect it to be a hit in karnataka and same with Chattrapati Sivaji and Maharashtra.

Bahubali making all that money opens the flood gates with certainty that you can make good or entertaining films and earn money. There was lull in terms of movie collections before Bahubali, there were low budget films that made a lot of money, but movie with multiple star cast and big sets were lacking atleast in the non hindi film industry and people tend to naturally take pride in their own if the can. It is also one reason why PS1 is such a big hit in tamil as the people seemed to have owned it.

sure only because of bahubali maniratnam made PS1. he himself said it many times, and it is true.

but on scale, PS1 is nothing compared to bahubali's budget. and it was ofcourse made to cater purely for the Tamil audience. That's why they didn't spend 500cr on it.

they could've if they wanted to.. there's enough meat in the story to last 5 parts, but they made a movie without catering to north indian sensibilities and Hindutva imagery. If TamilNadu govt had given permission to shoot in TN temples, it would've looked more chola era than it did with all those central Indian architecture in the movie.

Tamil people didn't 'own' the movie to take some pride out of it. Young Tamils mostly hated the movie, and are trolling it relentlessly. Its the oldies who read the book that turned up in droves to watch the movie.

you haven't heard the hate that is being poured on that movie in Tamil circles I guess. especially from progressive types.

[Raven_Rayes]

I wish there was a better epic director in India than boring Rajamouli, and weird Shankar.

I was never as thrilled while watching a movie as I was with Yuganiki Okkadu. If its copied scenes, I'm okay with that.

I really thought maniratnam will dump all the drama in PonniyinSelvan and focus on making a weird ass story out of the book's more exotic elements, even though my friends were laughing at me for hoping a decent movie out of maniratnam.

when the trailer arrived, it killed all my enthusiasm for the film. It turned out as predictable and stale as the 1950s book I read.

It must be easiest 100+cr maniratnam ever made. good for him. especially as payback for Iruvar.

[Higher_Purpose]

Elli meher Anna … 

[Raven_Rayes]

1 hour ago, telugu_fan said:

it will be difficult to make such movies in todays cinema, movies have moved on from story centric to hero, heroines, star directors centric. It costs a lot of money for big sets when you can just put in a star hero and get a normal story and make some money why will some producer risk it?

then what's the point of all that celebrity status as a director for Rajamouli? so does it mean that he can only make movies with top stars and no one else, pump up movie budgets to astronomical levels and skimp on good production values?

I mean, Maniratnam precisely uses his star status as director to keep the budget low and make the kind of films he wants to.

what is Rajamouli doing making films with 500cr+ budget, where women dress like they've come for some fancy dress competition. He could easily ease his well earned power to control movie budgets, and give viewers a better visual experience

instead of vieweres having to suffer the lame writing of vijayendra prasad, repetitive bs of keervani, and costumes of rama. He has to carry all these laggards along on his shoulders.

 

[RedThupaki]

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[telugu_fan]

22 hours ago, Raven_Rayes said:

I don't know why you are making excuses for Rajamouli's poor production (especially costumes with his wife), when Maniratnam made a movie with 170cr (for 2 films) that is even more gorgeous to look at, than the bland Rajamouli frames. When it comes to making great visuals at dirt cheap price, Rajamouli is not at the forefront. Selva Raghavan made Yuganiki Okadu at 18cr budget.

But I do admit that Rajamouli is the closest we have to an epic director in India. I really cant think of anyone else. SelvaRaghavan with Yuganiki Okadu makes the cut, but he doesn't regularly make those kind of movies.

so yes, I agree Rajamouli is the best epic director in India right now. It may/not change when Shankar comes out with Velpari in a couple years. Maniratnam is not even trying to make epic movies, as evidenced by how lame PS1 was in terms of storytelling.

 

I am not making any excuses for anyone. I am only saying everyone has their preferences and that is okay. people who like Sanjay leela bhansali sets and movies may not like RGV's movies and vice versa, it only comes down to preferences and what you liked or didn't like.

I don't know about other film industries but if you are a "star director" so to speak you have the freedom from the producer to select your group of people to do the film. All of Rajamouli's movies will have his wife looking after costumes, his father has given stories, his cousin MM Keervani providing music and Keeravani's wife being production assistant or some such. Most of his movies and almost all of his recent movies have Senthil for cinematography.

Bahubali after a long time had a big set of sets and then quite a few frames of vfx which pushes the budget upwards. I personally liked Yuganiki okkadu and its story (a la modern indiana Jones caper kind ) but in terms of special effects its nothing home to write about in terms of the vfx used, hence its low budget along with Karthi who was then a new comer, something to keep in mind. 

[Raven_Rayes]

1 minute ago, telugu_fan said:

I am not making any excuses for anyone. I am only saying everyone has their preferences and that is okay. people who like Sanjay leela bhansali sets and movies may not like RGV's movies and vice versa, it only comes down to preferences and what you liked or didn't like.

I don't know about other film industries but if you are a "star director" so to speak you have the freedom from the producer to select your group of people to do the film. All of Rajamouli's movies will have his wife looking after costumes, his father has given stories, his cousin MM Keervani providing music and Keeravani's wife being production assistant or some such. Most of his movies and almost all of his recent movies have Senthil for cinematography.

Bahubali after a long time had a big set of sets and then quite a few frames of vfx which pushes the budget upwards. I personally liked Yuganiki okkadu and its story (a la modern indiana Jones caper kind ) but in terms of special effects its nothing home to write about in terms of the vfx used, hence its low budget along with Karthi who was then a new comer, something to keep in mind. 

special effects are not good in any Indian movies, including bahubali RRR, so lets not go there.

I'm just saying that Rajamouli has the chance and the skill to be a very good epic director if he choses to, but flounders because his support act is not top notch. cinematography is fine, vfx work is improving etc, but the costumes are ugly and writing just sucks, reeks of 80s cringe movie.

But Rajamouli is stuck with making movies with stars overshooting budgets and making ugly movies.. and guys like maniratnam are not even interested in making epic movies (just personal romantic stories with great visuals).

imagine rajamouli making something like yuganiki okkadu. or even the upcoming Shankar movie Velpari (which has a kickass story, not a lame drama like PS1). No one is giving Rajamouli such stories. certainly not his old idiot sanghi dad.